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I think as a general rule, it's difficult to buy beauty products on ebay with any guarantee of satisfaction. Perhaps the reason some of those dealers are ON ebay in the first place is because they can't sell product through their own shops, due to quality issues? I don't know.

There are those of us on ebay who offer a 100% satisfaction guarantee. So if the seller does have a return policy... check their feedback. Anyone with less than 100 feedback, and less than 5 years membership on ebay-- could be suspect.

I never buy anything on ebay from people who have less than 100% feedback.

Cat
 
According to my source, there are some valid beauty supply sellers on e-bay.
A good friend of mine (I’ll call him Mr.O) sells in bulk to beauty suppliers.

Sunday we did an e-bay search and found many "his" professional products. We discussed this and my conclusion is, those “types” of suppliers are hurting. Mr. O stated that bulk sales have dropped way down. To get even more personal, some of his long term customer’s have “accidentally” bounced checks. These amounts are not in the 2 or 3 digit amounts. I'm talking the big Kahuna size checks.

One may ask? How could you trust this Mr. O person?
Mr. O has been providing nail supplies/private label for more some 26+ years to many of our wonderful brand named products.
Cause and effect, the domino effect, whatever, it's going to get worse before it gets better.
In saying that, my theory is=beauty supply businesses are not as easily able to sell to salons so they have taken to trying other avenues.
Another idea, that comes to me is, the “professionals” that have been working in the field, part time, side job, not as a regular income are dropping, to get jobs that will help pay their bills, again that has to hurt the Big Daddy beauty supply houses.

In the past, I noted (to myself) the e-bay sellers were selling small sized products for the larger size price and the shipping was extreme.

Personally, I cannot risk picking up products that are not worthy of my clients.

Boy, that 10 gallons of nail goo looks so good right about now.
 
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I buy my tools from ebay such as tip cutters, because they are far cheaper than they are from the normal distributors, and they are the same quality. I just got a new tip cutter which cost me £5 inc p&p but to buy from the distributor is about £15 plus p&p.

Re buying professional products on ebay, I dont, I've tried but I had bad experiences. When Hyperion went bust I needed some tips desperately and bought some "genuine CND" tips on ebay. It was one of the 360 assorted size boxes, the cardboard insert in the lid was photocopied, and the tips were so not genuine CND ones!! Having said that though, I can completely see why people give ebay a try at least once, because as an industry we are seriously over-charged for some of the products that we buy. It is worth paying more for quality, but the majority of us are trying to keep small businesses afloat whilst also paying our bills. When we see cheaper products on ebay it is human nature to be tempted which is why we all seem to give it a go at least once. I dont think the issue of not passing on that saving to the customer makes us greedy, we are in business to make money after all, and a sharp business woman will explore all options to maximise her profit margin.

Personally I would advise people against using ebay for professional products, but that is based on my personal bad experiences and I can understand people feeling the need to give it a go for themselves.
 
I been pondering over this one for a while...

Do you think we should support the nail companies and buy products directly from them or should we source kit from Ebay which is, in most cases cheaper?

My arguement is buying from nail companies helps keep them in business and funds future research and development for new products. In turn this pushes our industry forward and ensures our clients the best results using up to date products. This keeps them happy.

Or

Do we buy cheaper on ebay from an unknown supplier passing the savings on to our clients. This again keeps them happy.

I always try to buy direct but do admit to snatching a cheaky bargain on Ebay.

What are your thoughts? Do you feel a little guilty buying on Ebay? Should we support the suppliers and stay loyal to them or do you not care?

Is it down to ethics or price? What's your say?

NK
the problem would allways be how do you know what u are buying, is the product orginal or a copy, they would not supply msds with there product. All suppliers should be able to give u this?This is purchasing through ebay?
 
Name me one person who buys off ebay and passes any savings (if there in fact are any) onto their customers!!! What a joke. And folks like to call distributors greedy???

Maybe you should get in the real world and off your cotton wool nail wipe cloud...

Here is the title of a current post.

Gutted clients can't afford nail maintenance

It's not a joke.

There are loads of salons struggling at the moment and passing on savings is a great way to retain clients.

NK
 
There are loads of salons struggling at the moment and passing on savings is a great way to retain clients.

NK

Yes it is, but I'm willing to bet that in the bygone good times people didn't pass on any savings very much. These times are, for a goodly number of young people here, unprecedented. We oldies have seen recession before (some of us more than once!)
 
Yes it is, but I'm willing to bet that in the bygone good times people didn't pass on any savings very much. These times are, for a goodly number of young people here, unprecedented. We oldies have seen recession before (some of us more than once!)

That's a very good point, Calla. Listening to the voices of experienced professionals, who have weathered economic seasons like this -- or worse (remember the recession of the 1970's?) have alot to share when it comes to practial ways of building our businesses in the midst of tough economic times.

Cat
 
Maybe you should get in the real world and off your cotton wool nail wipe cloud...

Here is the title of a current post.

Gutted clients can't afford nail maintenance

It's not a joke.

There are loads of salons struggling at the moment and passing on savings is a great way to retain clients.

NK
There really isn't any need to throw personal insults is there?

Why not just answer the question, 'loads' can be any number plucked out of thin air... how many professional therapists do you know who buy their products from Ebay and pass on the savings to their clients?

It pains me to use the words professional and Ebay in the same sentence :irked:
 
remember the recession of the 1970's?

Oh yes - rubbish building up in the streets, Green Goddesses putting out fires, bodies going unburied, 3 day working week and lengthy power cuts.
We got through all that; no doubt we'll come through this too. And hopefully with a little more sense than before. Or is it that we'll never learn?!
 
Yes, I remember it vivdly and the waiting in the evenings for your area's allocation of electricity! :irked:
 
Oh yes - rubbish building up in the streets, Green Goddesses putting out fires, bodies going unburied, 3 day working week and lengthy power cuts.
We got through all that; no doubt we'll come through this too. And hopefully with a little more sense than before. Or is it that we'll never learn?!

Well... I'm sad to have to say it, but.... I think we learn only very slowly and with much pain and suffering in the process. Bad habits have a way of dying only painful deaths. Its the whole rut-in-the-road concept. It's why superstars get married 6 times and wonder why they can never find the right marriage partner. There's some sort of addictive behavior that's gotta be thrown in there, too. It's easier to deal with a bad, painful situation by doing the same things we did before, because at least we'd be assured of the consistency of failure.
 
Maybe you should get in the real world and off your cotton wool nail wipe cloud...

Here is the title of a current post.

Gutted clients can't afford nail maintenance

It's not a joke.

There are loads of salons struggling at the moment and passing on savings is a great way to retain clients.

NK

And maybe you should get some manners mate!

And maybe you should re-read my post, the point of which was that the people who buy off ebay NEVER pass any savings they may make (and that is debateable) on to their clients. They don't!

I wasn't born yesterday. I started my business in the worst recession the UK had ever had (1985) and my business THRIVED. Women flocked to get their nails done and it made them FEEL GOOD about themselves. Three months after I began I was fully booked and worked a 50+ hour week. I really was never not fully booked after that and increased to 3 salons in 3 years. I also trained and supplied work to many many girls who became GREAT technicians and who are now still running their own successful businesses today.

I know women and I know that we will weather this storm and the good ones will pull through and possibly even grow like I did through it and the bad ones ... won't!! This recession may even serve to separate the wheat from the chaff and we can say good bye to some of the bad businesses out there and all benefit from it.

So the question arises are YOU one of the good ones who has not only the skill but the business sense to be giving it your all at this point to make it work ... ?
 
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There are loads of salons struggling at the moment and passing on savings is a great way to retain clients.

NK

There always has been clients that struggled with the maintenance issue with enhancements. This is why the budget salons grew so quickly. Now there are salons for more demographics than there used to be.

With the economic climate being what it is, there will be a higher than average level of clients that struggle with the cost of maintenance, however this is relative to their new spending level. What that translates to is that those families more susceptible to redundancies or other restrictions will more than likely look to cut expenses like maintenance. Trying to create a discount environment by substituting your professional purchases off of E-Bay will not prevent them from leaving, nor will it actually generate you anything worth while. Here is why:

  1. Take your price of a service (i.e. Maintenance) and figure out how much money per minute you generate from it (e.g. a £20 maintenance that takes 1 hour = .33p per minute)
  2. Take each product that you use and divide it into number of services to get a cost per application. Do this for all your products.
  3. Do the same as above, but look up 'bulk' purchases to see the difference it costs in using larger versus smaller sizes
  4. Do another column calculating the cost per application of substituting E-Bay purchases.
I will gamble that this is what you will find:
  1. The cost per application is equivalent to a (maximum) minute or two of your time.
  2. The cost dramatically reduces when you buy in bulk
  3. The savings in cost per application between E-Bay and legit resources are equivalent to about a minute of your time maximum (lets not look at those products that actually cost more, are counterfit, etc.. heck lets also ignore how much time you spent looking up, bidding and buying the products!)
  4. That if you were really interested in saving money, you would purchase in bulk which is much cheaper in cost per application than E-Baying small or regular sizes.
The bottom line is that if you were serious about saving money you would buy in bulk not off E-Bay (which often is actually not cheaper and brings a great deal of risk to how you work).

When you compare your time spent trying to obtain these kinds of savings (and the pitfalls with obtaining them) it is a false economy.

I believe that buying smart is always important, however if your version of buying smart is purchasing non legit products that are frequently contaminated or more expensive just to try and 'pass savings on to clients' than you are not working smart at all, nor am I convinced that you can save clients passing on a savings you should already be making in the first place!

In a lot of areas, business in our sector is up because in times of economic hardship, people want to escape and to be beautified. This isn't a god given right that you will be busy in a recession, but it does provide an opportunity depending on your area. Everyone will feel the change somewhat. The good news is that overall mid-range and higher salons will be the least affected by the economic climate, but they wont be bulletproof. Discount salons are generally attended to by clients that have less discretionary income to begin with and hence, are more discretionary about where they will spend it. Still want to discount? :)

As to your comment:

Maybe you should get in the real world and off your cotton wool nail wipe cloud...

If you want to come here to constructively discuss and debate, you are welcome with open arms. If your only method of debate is to personally attack because you lack the ability to offer intelligent points of views, then you are not.

Maybe you have mixed this site up with one of those others that allow your incredible wit and charm will go unaddressed. I would suggest updating your bookmarks.

nJoy
 
Sorry but Ebay just p's me right off. They sell most of Dermalogica at ridiculous prices, o.p.i nail polish and not to mention tons of other stuff that I am trying to sell my clients but cant because the will just 'buy it off Ebay'.
I wuld much rather support Capital Beauty who are very careful not to let customers from the public into their shops in fear of putting beauty therapists out of buisness.
Sally's on the other hand do not care and are open to anyone so i would never shop in there!
By buying from Ebay do we really know this stuff has never been used when they say it hasnt and do we really know where it has come from? Sorry to sound snobby but it all feels a bit scummy to me
xxx
 
Maybe you should get in the real world and off your cotton wool nail wipe cloud...

Here is the title of a current post.

Gutted clients can't afford nail maintenance

It's not a joke.

There are loads of salons struggling at the moment and passing on savings is a great way to retain clients.

NK

Sorry but how rude. Think we can see exactly the proffesional from the unproffessional her Geeg.
:hug: xxx
 
Maybe you should get in the real world and off your cotton wool nail wipe cloud...

Here is the title of a current post.

Gutted clients can't afford nail maintenance

It's not a joke.

There are loads of salons struggling at the moment and passing on savings is a great way to retain clients.

NK


My manners will not permit me to reply to you as you deserve.

People who behave like you, and post like this, are a discredit to this site IMO
 
Aside from all the rights and wrongs of ebay who can seriously be bothered to sit there and work out all the prices & postage from the various sellers. I know I couldn't and quite frankly even if you did save yourself £10 or whatever you've wasted 30mins faffing about comparing prices imo.

With regards to passing on the savings to clients (Assuming there are any) I guess the type of professionals that buy off ebay in the first place tend to charge bargain basement prices as it is so I still can't see any benefit.
 
My manners will not permit me to reply to you as you deserve.

People who behave like you, and post like this, are a discredit to this site IMO

You said it! :hug:
 
And maybe you should get some manners mate!

And maybe you should re-read my post, the point of which was that the people who buy off ebay NEVER pass any savings they may make (and that is debateable) on to their clients. They don't!

I wasn't born yesterday. I started my business in the worst recession the UK had ever had (1985) and my business THRIVED. Women flocked to get their nails done and it made them FEEL GOOD about themselves. Three months after I began I was fully booked and worked a 50+ hour week. I really was never not fully booked after that and increased to 3 salons in 3 years. I also trained and supplied work to many many girls who became GREAT technicians and who are now still running their own successful businesses today.

I know women and I know that we will weather this storm and the good ones will pull through and possibly even grow like I did through it and the bad ones ... won't!! This recession may even serve to separate the wheat from the chaff and we can say good bye to some of the bad businesses out there and all benefit from it.

So the question arises are YOU one of the good ones who has not only the skill but the business sense to be giving it your all at this point to make it work ... ?

Very classy reply. That's why you ROCK! :hug:
 
My manners will not permit me to reply to you as you deserve.

People who behave like you, and post like this, are a discredit to this site IMO

A discredit to this site and the beauty industry. Glad i'm not going to her for my beauty treatments! :lol:
 

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