Help, Scubfresh has paraben in it which I read is toxic

[The Geek]

I'm aware that vinegar is a pretty powerful disinfectant, but how well does an enhancement stick to a nail plate soaked in vinegar? I don't know the answer simply because I have always used professional prep products, however I can only assume that vinegar doesn't evaporate sufficiently fast enough leaving a sanitised, dehydrated surface behind.

That is really the crux of my point: Substituting professional products for homemade remedies just doesn't give the same results. Vinegar wont be fast evaporating for a prep, non professional grade solvents wont be as effective and can leave contaminants behind. And what about everything else that goes into making a prep product? I don't believe that companies avoid teaching home brews because of some secret agenda to get you to buy their products, but rather because they have designed products that will accomplish the job better.

After all, there is generally a lot more behind a prep product aside from alcohol and/or acetone.

 

[xAnnaBannAx]

Just imagine if we all decided to substitute our own stuff to save a few pennies or to avoid using certain ingredients or whatever.............oh I wont use scrubfresh ill knock a bit of alcohol and acetone together.....i wont use polish ill make my own recipe out of beetroot and immulsion....i wont use my propusher....heck ill just get a chisel out the shed!

ok perhaps im going a bit overboard but what would be the point in all these products if I can just turn to making up my own recipes! damn I wish I thought about this before I spent all this money on products and training i could of saved a fortune! :irked:

 

[VHunter]

What part of the phrase "And when stuck in a pinch" did people fail to understand?
Hello.....................I'm pretty sure I'm speaking english:!:



It seems my point was completely lost with everyone jumping the gun and making assumptions.

 

[grafxgal]

Product based training would never teach you cheaper methods (they want you to buy their products).

Vinegar does kill Bacteria, Viruses and Mould (and it's non-toxic), so it is actually quite effective.

There is always more than way way to skin a cat (or even clean a nail for that matter).
Just because you may not have been shown something or taught to use it, doesn't make it wrong.

My comment on vinegar was as a home remedy (a proven home remedy)

Oddly enough I don't go around recommending home remedies to my clients, even though I may use them myself.
I never said it was wrong, what I commented on was the quality of the training, you're paying big bucks to be trained as a professional, not in cheap home remedies.

 

[nailzoo]

Oddly enough I don't go around recommending home remedies to my clients, even though I may use them myself.
I never said it was wrong, what I commented on was the quality of the training, you're paying big bucks to be trained as a professional, not in cheap home remedies.

So what do you advise for a greenie, bacterial issue.

I'm not advocating vinegar as a nail prep, I was merely saying it was an effective anti-bacterial that a client can use at home.

 

[The Geek]

Victoria, I know what you meant

Exposure to air stops a greenie, so the act of removing the enhancement to apply vinegar would already have done the job that the vinegar would do.

And I don't mean to imply that any professional would whip up home brew remedies. Just contributing to the discussion for all those that may be reading the thread and getting freaky ideas from it

 

[VHunter]

Victoria, I know what you meant

Exposure to air stops a greenie, so the act of removing the enhancement to apply vinegar would already have done the job that the vinegar would do.

And I don't mean to imply that any professional would whip up home brew remedies. Just contributing to the discussion for all those that may be reading the thread and getting freaky ideas from it

Ahh ok, my bad.
I misread the post and thought ... well, you know what I thought :lol:

 

[franjess]

Oddly enough I don't go around recommending home remedies to my clients, even though I may use them myself.
I never said it was wrong, what I commented on was the quality of the training, you're paying big bucks to be trained as a professional, not in cheap home remedies.

Lets not forget why nail companys are in the business in the first place, to make money Right? They resource what will work with their product and how to patent it. There may be other just as affective products at health food stores or in your home that work. but nail companys won't tell you because there's no money in it. BUT that said I also agree inless you've studied in great detail the product you plan to use on clients you could do harm to them unknowingly.

 

[franjess]

I'm aware that vinegar is a pretty powerful disinfectant, but how well does an enhancement stick to a nail plate soaked in vinegar? I don't know the answer simply because I have always used professional prep products, however I can only assume that vinegar doesn't evaporate sufficiently fast enough leaving a sanitised, dehydrated surface behind.

That is really the crux of my point: Substituting professional products for homemade remedies just doesn't give the same results. Vinegar wont be fast evaporating for a prep, non professional grade solvents wont be as effective and can leave contaminants behind. And what about everything else that goes into making a prep product? I don't believe that companies avoid teaching home brews because of some secret agenda to get you to buy their products, but rather because they have designed products that will accomplish the job better.

After all, there is generally a lot more behind a prep product aside from alcohol and/or acetone.

Sorry, we have different opinions on companies intentions. Hope this doesn't put me in your black book.

 

[Martin Duffy]

Lets not forget why nail companys are in the business in the first place, to make money Right?

Any business must ultimately make money, but to make money they have to offer an exceptional product else no-one would want it.

If a researched & formulated professional product was only as good as a few ingredients chucked together over the kitchen sink then the product would be highly unlikely to make a company any money.

 

[grafxgal]

So what do you advise for a greenie, bacterial issue.

What every product that I have trained in recommends. Completely remove the enhancement, thus letting the air get to it, effectively killing it, lightly buff if needed, cleanse with cleanser/scrubfresh, then prep and replace.
Touch wood, so far I have never had a greenie issue, all greenies that I have successfully treated have been from new clients that had been to other techs. Onycholysis with a greenie under the nail is treated differently.

 

[franjess]

Just because a label says 'alcohol' or even 'acetone' doesn't mean that you can simply whip up a batch of a similarly functioning product by mixing the 2 together. Most chemicals come in varying degrees of grades. The higher the grade, the more refined and processed (and expensive) it is. Run of the mill acetone bought off the shelf will contain far more impurities than that used in the manufacturing of a professional product.

Is it really worth saving a couple coppers per application?

On a side note, vinegar isn't suitable for any nail application. Though it is an interestingly good disinfectant, you don't ever need to disinfect the nail. Nor would you ever see mould on a nail that would need disinfecting.

I so agree the higher the grade the more refined and processed it is and that some produts do have more impurities. This in mind i still don't feel safe using products that are suspected of being toxic. Wish I could find a subsitute for acetone. There are some sites that sell nontoxic nail products, havent tryed yet or looked at ingredients. I'll researce before i buy.

 

[franjess]

Any business must ultimately make money, but to make money they have to offer an exceptional product else no-one would want it.

If a researched & formulated professional product was only as good as a few ingredients chucked together over the kitchen sink then the product would be highly unlikely to make a company any money.

My point exactly. They're not going to finance research on something customers can get over the counter.

 

[HeatherDavis]

This is all silly, really. It's called scare-based advertising. And the point made about big companies only working towards their own gain can just as well be said about those supporting a more "holistic" approach.

I am not a chemist, nor a scientist. But I chose to make use of products made by a company that informs and educates me on my products, and specifically how to use them.

Before I began using this company and the education they offer, I developed a sensitivity to L&P and mild asthma. It is something I still deal with now.

BUT.

It hasnt affected me for a very long time. Because I use the correct techniques taught to me for using my products.

This whole thing about toxic vs. non-toxic is such rubbish, and a waste of energy. And it sells like crazy, and makes plenty of money. I could scream every time I hear the term "Organic" or "All natural." Because everything that contains carbon is organic. And the oil and gas fields that fuel your car are all natural. Oh and so is poo and road tar. Bet nobody touting the organic set would eat that or rub it all over their bodies.

And the thing is, this is not about one opinion vs. another. It's about FACTS vs. a widely panned and unproven opinion.

Be very careful to do your homework on BOTH sides of an arguement BEFORE you actually argue it.

Oh and a lot of holistic therapy type "STUFF" has been researched. And can't be found to be stable, mainly because every tom **** and harry making it keeps changing the actual amount in their own personal packaging. No one can verify the consistency or potency of any of these so called "non-toxic" products, because in some quantities they are DEADLY. Just like water. I wouldn't recommend breathing any of that scary stuff in!

I would really highly advise taking a deep breath to anyone sucked into this fear marketing, and be open minded about it's integrity. Every "evil" you think you understand about the BIG companies is probably being replicated in a different but VERY SIMILAR way by these small "good" guys. Without funding, without scientists, without data to show FACT.

I would much rather listen to the guy with verifiable fact then some dude working in his kitchen without the recipe book.

 

[franjess]

I do my homework,in fact 16 years looking into health. Its hard to know who to believe any more. One year somethings bad or good for you the next year its not.I always look at both sides Pros & Cons.Most products are not regulated and don't have a double blind study done on them and if they do they don't always know long term effect. I do think I study to much,it makes me crazy sometimes.

 

[HeatherDavis]

I think you may have hit the nail on the head just now doll lol, you study it too much! Quit making yourself crazy and get as much information based on just our field as possible

 

[Martin Duffy]

I also think that when one hears the words "a study has shown" then it behests us to look at the study itself. Not all studies are of equal validity.

I remember seeing a headline saying aromatherapy doesn't work, which was news to me as I've had very successful results from use of essential oils & there is plenty of data to show their effectiveness in various areas. It turns out the claim was based on the fact that a 'scientist' had found if you rub your arms with lemon essential oil & put it in freezing water it still hurts...I don't even know where to begin with that one! Besides lemon EO not being a great analgesic, I could do the same with aspirin & claim it's useless. Thankfully a few scientists spoke out on how ridiculous a study it was, and that it had numerous flaws, including the fact the study wasn't blind as they could smell the oils on their arms.

Furthermore, there is normally a huge gap between what newspapers & tv programmes report as the results of the study & what the results of the study actually are - a case in point, on the internet & on tv we keep seeing "parabens has been shown to cause cancer", which is an out & out lie, the ONE small pilot study clearly states that the results are PRELIMINARY & can NOT be used to demonstrate a link between the cancer & the parabens. But I suppose if you've got a paraben free product to flog or an axe to grind about large companies...

 

[The Geek]

You keep mentioning the word 'toxic' and how versed you are on the subject, so I assume you must know that anything can be toxic depending on the dosage. Water can be toxic in sufficient levels. You are so concerned about toxic levels of a preservative in a cleanser you put on a nail plate, but not concerned about using home brew products that will not do as efficient of a job at cleansing and sanitising (this increasing the risk of an infection).

It does my nut in when people have some vision of product manufacturers as elite members of the Illuminati hell bent on universal domination by duping the poor public into buying products they could so easily make at home. As Martin put it: If the product was so interchangeable with a home brew, they wouldn't be able make any money selling the stuff. Furthermore, your arguments carefully ignore home brew substitutions for other ingredients used in these products (you know, those every day ingredients like Triclosan).

Your customers may be cool with you playing chemist in your bathtub, just as they may be cool with their hairdresser dumping Baking Soda on their perm to neutralise it (those perm companies are part of the Illuminati as well). My customers aren't.

Products we use are applied to the surface of the nail plate. Not ingested, gargled or bathed in. The natural nail plate is densely packed dead matter and is not a route to entry into your body. There are far greater things to be concerned with than catching cancer from paraben in your nail plate cleanser (i.e. getting hit by lightening more than 3 times this week).

 

[1999judy]

Judy, I really tried,,, and ya know I love ya hun...:hug:
But that paragraph? I am sooooooooooooo lost... I did't understand what you were saying at all.
Were you loaded on scrubfresh (or is it vodka?) at the time that you wrote it?


:lol::hug:

:lol: I knew where this thread would go.....ok lets use bleach
And bear in mind I'm STRICTLY a monomer only geek on schoolnights :lol:
Sorry...sometimes I just get the feeling about a thread....
Can't help it I guess.
Sometimes you can have TOO MUCH to say so it's best to have a little rant and say little x
Or not as the case may be.

 

[littlegrohl]

Lets not forget why nail companys are in the business in the first place, to make money Right? They resource what will work with their product and how to patent it. There may be other just as affective products at health food stores or in your home that work. but nail companys won't tell you because there's no money in it. BUT that said I also agree inless you've studied in great detail the product you plan to use on clients you could do harm to them unknowingly.

Hey sorry but i am in this biz to make money too.. which is why i use pro products..

having the right products for the right system means the enhancements (if applied well) will last and the client will come back.. (hopefully)
applying vinegar or anything else from the pantry pretty much tells the customer that i am not a professional.. and encourages them to not take me seriously..

I get that this topic has gone off topic a bit but as an Aussie tech, i use scrubfresh.. it has made a huge difference to my rebalances.. plus scrubfresh smells better then vinegar.. :lol:

my advice.. find a system.. learn about that system.. use that system.. whatever that system is, its a good thing to support it and hopefully it will support you back... start mucking around with less professional products and your basically asking for service breakdowns and your clients will go elsewhere..

my 2cents.