Help, Scubfresh has paraben in it which I read is toxic

[franjess]

I think theres a market out there for people like me. Those who only buy from health food store and would never go into a Salon because of multiple chemical allergies. I did hand massages and handed out my card at a very large health food store and people I talked to loved the ideal of getting manicures ect. using produts they believed had less harsh chemicals. So whenI started this thread all I wanted was for someone that may have found a products that I, my clients, and potential clients could use inplace of paraben because they won't have their nails done with that in it. I have a home base Salon, just opened this pass year so I could cater to these people. I just would like not to have harsh chemicals, vapors, or fumes in my Salon or home either.

 

[franjess]

By the way I have no intentions of mixing up my own home brew. I'm not a chemist. I would be scared I would mix stuff that shouldn't go together and being harm to myself and clients, the opposit of what I'm trying to do. I well instade buy from health stores, products my clients want. I know I asked at the start if i could use alcohol an acetone instade of paraben. but was Hopen someone knew of a product that was already out there selling. Would perfer not to use acetone either. I know some things I can't replace, but as many of the products that my clients feel are to harsh for them are replaced with produces they know and trust the better. Can anyone understand what i'm talking about, to help those who normaly couldn't go into a salon, or i'm I all alone. PS. I really wasn't trying to dump on campanys I guess I didn't get across what i was trying to say so I wouldn"t want to try and explain that again. Hope I havent made enemies, I really love people.

 

[VHunter]

You haven't made enemies hun (we love to debate here LOL). At this point, I do understand better what your aim is.
But where scrubfresh is concerned, you're clients have no worries. Why not educate them with the TRUTH about parabens?
And about what toxicity really means, etc............
It would go a long way to helping them make choices and to helping you meet their needs.

You've been given a lot of food for thought here.
Basically, scrubfresh is perfectly safe. Likely safer/better for your clients than some of the other stuff out there you might choose to use instead.


hth's:hug:

 

[The Geek]

While I appreciate the entrepreneurship of your approach, I have to say that you are doing a terrible injustice to the industry if you are propagating uninformed myths about 'the dangers of harsh chemicals'. All chemicals have safe and unsafe limits and of course safe and unsafe applications. Professional products are safe when used as intended and every time you market yourself as not using 'those chemicals' you are implying that all other professionals are doing something dangerous. This is called 'Fear Marketing'.

Remember that everything you use is a chemical and considering that skin sensitisation (not paraben cancer) is the issue all professionals should be focused on, keep in mind that natural 'chemicals' are farrrrr more likely to cause adverse skin reactions than synthetic 'chemicals'.

 

[nailzoo]

here's an odd one for you, take some time out to Google.

Interesting approach from many.

Looking at MSDS, many companies list many ingredients, each of them has a CAS number, and when you research many of them they have a synonym (another name for the same product) and a different CAS number.

Which actually limits the amounts of chemicals.

As a chef, whenever I want to find a recipe, I research and find about 10.
I then condense the ingredients down (looking for things in common) and play with the methods to get MY RECIPE.

MSDS are quite similar, you find many things the same.

Virgin Acetone is Virgin acetone, just like we were once virgins ( I can hears Barbra singing "Memories" right about now).

Alcohol is alcohol in varying purities , ethanol , isopropyl etc.

There are many respected companies that have their own version of a nail prep, but have different ingredients...

and just like my theory on food recipes, I have my thoughts on some preps and possibly some recipes for prep, based on CAS searches.

Many MSDS have CAS numbers and if you Google them, they are synonyms/replacements for one another, so a recipe/formula can actually be condensed from 8 ingredients to 4 (it seems they list 8 jut to make things look more impressive and complicated. You can have a chemical name and or a botanical name as well.

Here is your homework ........ Have a look at this
Login - CND
then research the CAS numbers (just Google them) and see what you find (particularly the parabens) and their synonyms.

then try
http://www.eznails.com/msdsPDF/opi/MSDS-055.pdf
thymol is a natural ingredient used in preps to disinfect, phenol is quite similar and was used for many many years in outside toilets as the ultimate disinfectant.

Also check out the ingredients in http://web.grcc.cc.mi.us/Pr/msds/dental/Listerine-Pfizer.pdf
You should begin to see similarities by now, an ingredient missing here, an ingredients missing there.

It's just a point of interest.

I think Scrubfresh is a brilliant product, quite basic in it's ingredients and well overpriced.

And in these frugal financial times ..... outgoings should be paid attention too.

Now please feel free to shoot me down.

I remember once upon a time when the distributors of CND had an alternative (kinda no name), yet cheaper product available for almost any purpose.

Mundo are also on the market, but for me in AUS their MSDS are difficult to find.

 

[franjess]

Thank you soooo much.

 

[franjess]

While I appreciate the entrepreneurship of your approach, I have to say that you are doing a terrible injustice to the industry if you are propagating uninformed myths about 'the dangers of harsh chemicals'. All chemicals have safe and unsafe limits and of course safe and unsafe applications. Professional products are safe when used as intended and every time you market yourself as not using 'those chemicals' you are implying that all other professionals are doing something dangerous. This is called 'Fear Marketing'.

Remember that everything you use is a chemical and considering that skin sensitisation (not paraben cancer) is the issue all professionals should be focused on, keep in mind that natural 'chemicals' are farrrrr more likely to cause adverse skin reactions than synthetic 'chemicals'.

I don't think I'm doing an injustice to the industry. Just trying to be one to make it better, by informing techs and clients (just as this site has) about MMA products. Nail techs still using mma are saying we're doing a terrible injustice to them, they believe MMA is safe too. What makes the products you use differant? Reseach that says it is, well I have research to say paraben and acetone etc. are just as dangerous.I read that the hair and Nail industry products are not regulated much because of understaffing. The inspector that inspected and passed my salon said they wouldn't be back unless I had complaints on my servies because they were understaffed. No wonder salons are getting away with using razor and having unsanitized equipment, and unlicensed nail tech (we have to be licensed in the US and can't use razors. Don't you fill a need to tell the techs and clients of any unsafe products that you believe could harm them? Would like to say more, but have to go.

 

[ValencianNails]

I don't think I'm doing an injustice to the industry. Just trying to be one to make it better, by informing techs and clients (just as this site has) about MMA products.
Actually, you started off by not wanting parabens in products you were using on clients!

Nail techs still using mma are saying we're doing a terrible injustice to them, they believe MMA is safe too. What makes the products you use differant?
Perhaps you (and they) should read up some more on MMA.
This link should help - http://www.salongeek.com/health-safety-unatural/2698-mma.html


Reseach that says it is, well I have research to say paraben and acetone etc. are just as dangerous.I read that the hair and Nail industry products are not regulated much because of understaffing. The inspector that inspected and passed my salon said they wouldn't be back unless I had complaints on my servies because they were understaffed. No wonder salons are getting away with using razor and having unsanitized equipment, and unlicensed nail tech (we have to be licensed in the US and can't use razors. Don't you fill a need to tell the techs and clients of any unsafe products that you believe could harm them? Would like to say more, but have to go.

That last comment says it all as far as I personally am concerned.

I choose to use products that have gone through rigorous tests to ensure they're safe to use.
I choose to use products that are patented.
I choose to use products that I know are safe, not only for my clients but for myself too.

Why are you making it so difficult for yourself?
I just don't get it

 

[The Geek]

Information accessibility doesn't equate to accuracy. You can't compare cooking to product manufacturing for a variety of reasons, the most blatantly obvious being that taste is subjective versus using a home brew that could contribute to service breakdown or an infection.

Furthermore, suggesting that an MSDS sheet is an ingredient listing that you can easily use as a recipe list to whip up your own concoctions is misleading and a potentially dangerous thing to suggest.

Finally, if your business is riding on the 2p per application saving from the extortionate product, I think you have bigger concerns then trying to drum up mundane every day products like Triclosan for your next batch of money saving prep product

 

[franjess]

That last comment says it all as far as I personally am concerned.

I choose to use products that have gone through rigorous tests to ensure they're safe to use.
I choose to use products that are patented.
I choose to use products that I know are safe, not only for my clients but for myself too.

Why are you making it so difficult for yourself?
I just don't get it

Love to know how you seperated the Quote like that. I'm always afraid I well erase part of the quote. Anyway I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say. Yes I know all about MMA I've made many different copies with pictures of what MMA can do to your hands and health and give them to my clients. I said they believe (not me) just as you believe what you use is safe. But in reality most techs using MMa know by now but still use it. Maybe because they well lose their jobs if they don't.

 

[fifitrix]

Oh for pitys sake, I wish a mod would close this thread, it is going around and around, and the way I see it is this;

You train in nails or hair or beauty or whatever, and you get taught what is safe and what is not, it is called product knowledge, yes? If you are confident in your product and have the correct product knowledge where is the danger?

You then take that knowledge and apply as is appropriate, in a safe manner, i.e. you do not subject your clients to over exposure and know your theory and the implicate your skills accordingly, in any exam I have taken it has never included the 1001 and uses for vinegar book, I leave that for cleaning my windows. :lol:

 

[franjess]

I do believe the Nail companys are trying their best to keep up with any reports of harmful ingrediance, but can't possible change their formulas ever time something is reported unsafe, its to costly and I don't blame them. So inless FDA reports it as unsafe its not wise on their part to change anything becauce those reports could change in a couple months or years as ( just my opinion not fact)

 

[franjess]

While I appreciate the entrepreneurship of your approach, I have to say that you are doing a terrible injustice to the industry if you are propagating uninformed myths about 'the dangers of harsh chemicals'. All chemicals have safe and unsafe limits and of course safe and unsafe applications. Professional products are safe when used as intended and every time you market yourself as not using 'those chemicals' you are implying that all other professionals are doing something dangerous. This is called 'Fear Marketing'.

Remember that everything you use is a chemical and considering that skin sensitisation (not paraben cancer) is the issue all professionals should be focused on, keep in mind that natural 'chemicals' are farrrrr more likely to cause adverse skin reactions than synthetic 'chemicals'.

I reread this again and get your point. I need to find a way to reach poeple who believe as i do without doing injustice to the industry I do use same products as most of you and love most of them, but there are some I wish they would change. Thanks for your comments

 

[naturalnails]

Seems like a good point to end on!