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Hello,

I'm new to the nail industry and currently working self employed at someones home salon. There is an agreement in place but there are no terms relating to holiday.

I have booked off the bank holiday weekend in August as advised by the owner of the salon as she is away, I am now being told that I shouldn't have the same time off as her.

I'd like to know where I stand on this if there are no terms on this in the signed agreement. Also this is a part time job for me on top of a full time job, I have also got a week away in September and was told I need to make up the hours I won't be in, surely this defeats the point of a holiday!

Just after some advice on Salon owners who have contractors of people who are self employed.

Thanks
 
If you are truly 'self employed' you can come and go as you please, she can't hold you to contracted hours/times or you'd be 'staff' not self employed.

She can expect you to still pay your rent/etc. unless previously agreed that you would get some rental free periods, but if you choose not to work that is your choice, that's the point of being self employed, you chose the arrangements and take the hit if necessary.

ETA - somewhere on here (I'm searching for it but not having much luck) is a post written for the Hair forum which details what self employed is defined as and what can/can't be done within a salon/self empolyed environment. I'll keep trying to find it for you, it will make things clearer for you. I'm pretty sure one of the hair mods wrote it.

Found it, it was pinned at the top of Hair - yes it's specifically about Hairdressers but the theory and policies will be universal for all self employed people according to HMRC. https://www.salongeek.com/threads/hmrc-guidelines-for-determining-self-employment.295298/
 
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Thank you!

Basically I pay her a percentage of everything I make so i dont actually rent a room/chair as such. All the equipment is owned by the salon owner and replenished by the salon owner. She does not pay me a salary or do my taxes.

But she is trying to tell me I cannot take holiday when she is off and that if I do take off I need to make the time back up. I was under the impression I would manage my own time.
 
Thank you!

Basically I pay her a percentage of everything I make so i dont actually rent a room/chair as such. All the equipment is owned by the salon owner and replenished by the salon owner. She does not pay me a salary or do my taxes.

But she is trying to tell me I cannot take holiday when she is off and that if I do take off I need to make the time back up. I was under the impression I would manage my own time.


Well that link clearly says under Status - Number 5:-

5. have complete freedom to establish its own price structure and times of opening (including closure for holidays);

So I'd be showing her the information, of course you run the risk of creating a bad atmosphere, as I suspect she isn't going to like what you have to say but only you can decide how you want that conversation to go. If you want to continue the arrangement I suggest the softly softly approach and stay polite.
 
I think it's bit late for that now, I have showed all this and basically told her how I felt. The contract that I have been given contradicts itself and then the salon owner keeps changing the terms in messages.

She also paid for me to do the courses and then this was going to be paid back over time out of the percentage I gave her. Its all very messy
 
I think it's bit late for that now, I have showed all this and basically told her how I felt. The contract that I have been given contradicts itself and then the salon owner keeps changing the terms in messages.

She also paid for me to do the courses and then this was going to be paid back over time out of the percentage I gave her. Its all very messy

She can not dictate what hours/ holiday you have off. She should not of paid for you to do courses either. You should have a clear ‘terms and conditions’ which should state everything. She could probably write in her terms about charging you a set fee whilst you have holiday or state how many ‘rent free days’ you can have but she can’t tell you when to take them
 
TBH i was given the choice about the courses, but I am new to the industry so really don't know how it all works but I knew for sure that I should not be being told I can't time off and being told to make up the hours.

Thanks for your help, I will need to arrange a meeting and go through these points.
 
Thanks!

So she has now terminated my contract with immediate effect after I’ve asked to take things through face to face about the issues raised. She’s also lied about client complaints about me saying I’ve been contacting people booked on a Saturday and trying to move them to the evenings?! Which is an utter lie and I have proof, not once has she brought this up with me while I worked there!

In her last email she also said she would not be replying but I did to request my certificates. She hasn’t responded. I have since contacted Gelish as that’s who I trained with and they have told me that the salon owner needs to request them as she booked the course!

I’m stuck in what to do, I didn’t want to leave this wasn’t my choice. I’m not sure whether to seek legal advice now :( I really don’t want to go down that route but she is coming across as childish.
 
Looks like she wanted an employee without paying taxes etc herself, having cake and eat it, that happened to me, was in a salon “self employed” not getting paid for hours that was forced to work, collapsed with anxiety issues and had to take time off so go fired for being sick! ( but was fine, was actually going to leave due to realizing they were ripping me off anyway )
 
What does contract say? Normally contract gives at least a month, you can’t terminate with immidiate effect normally, needs written notice
 
Thanks!

So she has now terminated my contract with immediate effect after I’ve asked to take things through face to face about the issues raised. She’s also lied about client complaints about me saying I’ve been contacting people booked on a Saturday and trying to move them to the evenings?! Which is an utter lie and I have proof, not once has she brought this up with me while I worked there!

In her last email she also said she would not be replying but I did to request my certificates. She hasn’t responded. I have since contacted Gelish as that’s who I trained with and they have told me that the salon owner needs to request them as she booked the course!

I’m stuck in what to do, I didn’t want to leave this wasn’t my choice. I’m not sure whether to seek legal advice now :( I really don’t want to go down that route but she is coming across as childish.

Legally, I’m not sure there’s a huge amount you can do. If you think you were employed you may be able to get holiday pay and pension contributions if you followed it through... what does your terms say regarding leaving? How much notice do either of you have to give?
As for you contacting clients to move them you are 100% entitled to do so if you have clients permission under New gdpr rules I believe as you are self employed and they are your clients.
Personally I would cut my losses take my clients and go. She has to give you your equipment and anything that belongs to you. (Not sure about thecertificates she paid for your courses therefore they may be hers?)
Good luck x
 
Thanks!

So she has now terminated my contract with immediate effect after I’ve asked to take things through face to face about the issues raised. She’s also lied about client complaints about me saying I’ve been contacting people booked on a Saturday and trying to move them to the evenings?! Which is an utter lie and I have proof, not once has she brought this up with me while I worked there!

In her last email she also said she would not be replying but I did to request my certificates. She hasn’t responded. I have since contacted Gelish as that’s who I trained with and they have told me that the salon owner needs to request them as she booked the course!

I’m stuck in what to do, I didn’t want to leave this wasn’t my choice. I’m not sure whether to seek legal advice now :( I really don’t want to go down that route but she is coming across as childish.

I'm sorry it's come to this, but I did suspect that as soon as you started to stand up for yourself and question things it would happen which is why I suggested the softly softly approach if you wanted to stay working there.

I'm not sure what legal advice you are wanting....she has terminated your agreement, OK she should have given you notice as per the contract but it would cost you more in legal fees than you would have earned in the notice period. Nothing is going to change how she is behaving, or what she is trying to do so I believe you are better off just walking away. With regard to your certificates, I want to see the wording of the agreement as to whether you are entitled to them or not. Some places pay for your training and you pay it back (which you mentioned) then you are entitled to the certificates, but I think she may have the upper hand. However, that would normally be in place for employees not self employed staff. Technicially the certificate is in your name so it's yours not hers.
 
Contact ACAS for advice.

If it was me, I’d probably write to her telling her I intend to sue her for unfair dismissal as I believe that it was a sham employment arrangement.
I suspect she might then have second thoughts about keeping the certificates.
 
Contact ACAS for advice.

If it was me, I’d probably write to her telling her I intend to sue her for unfair dismissal as I believe that it was a sham employment arrangement.
I suspect she might then have second thoughts about keeping the certificates.

Acas don’t usually give you any advice once you’ve told them you’re self employed.. I had that when I called up regarding same kind of issues. They only deal with employment they told me x
 
This is a copy of the agreement that was in place.

Independent Contractor Agreement (Contract for Services)

Arrangements for the Provision of gel polish application & removal, nail art, manicures and pedicures.


Details of the Parties
This agreement is made between:

Miss A- Owner Of xxxxx

and

Miss Z
Commencement and Termination
This Agreement shall be deemed to commence on 17th April 2018 and shall continue until 17th October 2018. This Agreement will be reviewed every 6 months.

Either party may terminate this agreement, by giving 3 months written notice to the other party. However Miss A. reserve the right to terminate the Agreement with immediate effect if the Contractor breaches the terms and conditions of this Agreement.

Services
Miss A engages the Contractor to provide, and the Contractor agrees to provide, gel polish application and removal, nail art, manicure and pedicure services within the scope of their professional competence and fully in line with the terms and conditions set out in this Agreement.

The work will be carried out by the named Contractor appointed, who may not sub-contract all or any part of the work to someone else or the contractor themselves work outside of the business premises at any time.

Terms
The Contractor is an independent contractor and is not an employee of Miss A . In this context, the Contractor shall be wholly responsible for all income tax and national insurance and other similar contributions or taxes which may be payable out of, or as a result of the receipt of, any fees or other monies paid or payable by the Miss A.

Prior to this contract taking effect, the Contractor will provide the Miss A with appropriate evidence of self-employment status. Normally, relevant correspondence with the Tax Office will be sufficient for this purpose.

If the Contractor decides to terminate the contract within one calendar year from each qualification obtained from Miss A the full sum of each qualification is to be paid back to Miss A . If the Contractor decides to terminate the contract after one year to eighteen months after the qualification was obtained from Miss A then 50% of the course fee is to be paid back to Miss A. After two calendar years from the date each qualification is obtained from Miss A , there will be no fee.

The Contractor shall maintain in force for the duration of this agreement adequate insurance relating to the provision of Services pursuant to this Agreement. Evidence of such insurance cover must be provided to Miss A from and against any and all loss damage or liability (whether civil or criminal) suffered and legal fees and costs incurred by Miss A resulting from a breach of this Agreement by the Contractor.

In the event that the Contractor cannot perform the Services during any period of this contract for any reason including sickness,as the Contractor manages their own diary shall inform their own clients by 09.00 am on the first day of non-performance. No fees are payable covering periods of non-performance.

Initially whilst the contractor remains in other full time employment services in this contract will be delivered by the Contractor with a minimum of 10 hours per week to reach an appropriate level of progression.

The Contractor shall not agree any further work with a competitor to Miss A for similar or related work without first receiving the agreement of Miss A, and shall not solicit further work from a competitor directly for similar or related work.

Any requests for goods or services that the Contractor receives while working with a client of Miss A will be considered the property of Miss A, and the information should be provided to them within 24 hours of receiving such a request.

Miss A proposes that the Contractor will be available to work on Tuesdays and/or Thursdays between 5.30pm and 9pm and Saturdays between 10am-4pm, for a minimum of 10 hours across these days, however this can be renegotiated regularly depending on the Contractors progress and demand for work.

The Contractor is required to manage their own social media pages, under the name Enchanted Nails Miss Z in keeping with the image of the business.



Fees
For the Contractors initial treatments (depending on the Contractors progress determined by the Contractor and Miss A) will be no charge to the client and no fee from the Contractor to Miss A.

After this, Miss A requires the Contractor to charge

£5 for a gel polish treatment on fingers or toes or a full manicure or pedicure
£10 for a full manicure or pedicure with gel polish
£5 for a removal of gel polish
At this stage, Miss A will consider this a training period and all monies paid by clients to the Contractor will be the Contractors to keep, and Miss A will not take a fee for this.

When the Contractor feels they are competent and Miss A finds that the Contractors work is adequate, no longer than 3 months after the Contractors completion of training courses and their start date, there will be a price increase to -

£10 for a gel polish treatment on fingers or toes or a full manicure or pedicure
£15 for a full manicure or pedicure with gel polish
£10 for a removal of gel polish
In co-ordination with the price increase Miss A

After the Contractor has completed training and is to a sufficient standard agreed by both the Contractor and Miss A, the Contractor will charge for treatments as per the price list set by Miss As, and the 60/40% split will continue foreseeably.

The working week for Enchanted Nails goes from Tuesday-Saturday. Every Monday, for the week previous the Contractor will be required to pay 40% of their takings to Miss A by bank transfer only.
yments or benefits whatsoever.

Minor out of pocket expenses will be reimbursed on agreement with the Miss A


Confidentiality
In the event of Miss A making available confidential information relating to its business, clients or customers in the course of this Agreement, the Contractor will maintain the confidentiality of such information, and will not disclose it to any third parties whatsoever. Furthermore, except in so far as such matters are properly in, or come into the public domain, the Contractor agrees to keep secret and confidential all matters contained in this Agreement.



Any materials whether physical, electronic or intellectual created by the Contractor in the course of carrying out Services under this Agreement will belong to the Miss A which shall retain the exclusive rights to such material unless agreed otherwise in writing by the Miss A.


Applicable Law and Jurisdiction
This Agreement is made and shall be interpreted in accordance with English Law and subject to the jurisdiction of the English courts sitting in England
 
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She cannot tell you to not work out with her business! She says so many confusing things too... she cannot tell you what to charge either. Haircutz will better advise you about this I would’ve thought x
 
It is so confusing, she is now telling me I need to pay if I want my certificates, which is all well and good but I didn't terminate the agreement, she did.

I'm really stuck, really did not want this to happen.
 
She cannot tell you to not work out with her business! She says so many confusing things too... she cannot tell you what to charge either. Haircutz will better advise you about this I would’ve thought x

Who is haircutz
 

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