Skin test for foil highlights ?

[lee7smith]

Does anyone do a skin test if your doing foils on a new client? What if I need to use a Toner and haven't done one ?
I am just setting up mobile and wondered what everyone else does? I've never worked anywhere where they have done skin allergy tests (bad i know) and want to do it all right from the start.
Thanks x

 

[kate]

Yes, you definitely have to do a skin test even if you're just doing foils cause like you said, you might have to use a toner after which needs a skin test if it has peroxide in. Otherwhise you're not covered. It's a pain, I know.

 

[angelina221]

I am not a hairdresser but i own a hair and beauty salon. Obviously i need to know most aspects of the business.
We always patch test for a root colour or full head colour. We don't patch test for foils as the product doesn't touch the skin. I also don't know why you have to use a toner if you have left the bleach on for the right amount of time.
We also don't patch test for a full head of bleach. We have L'Oreal patch test and cards in the salon and they say you don't need to patch test for bleach.
Will be interesting to see what other people do as i want to make sure we are doing everything properly!

 

[lee7smith]

I do like using toners, I might want to lift the hair then make it quite ashy or creamy! Like you would after doing a full head bleach! I really thought I'd need to do a test for full head bleach, I shall re search that one some more. I have a lady that's going to have majirel in foils,she has a sensitive scalp so would you do a test to be safe??

 

[lauren89]

Hiya,

In my college we have to skin test for full head bleach and foil h/l, but not cap h/l.

Dunno if that will help or not, lol.

 

[magentahair]

you should patch test for foils as the product touches the scalp when shampooed off, also u may have to tone, leaving the bleach on for the right amount of tome has nothing to do with this!!!!! also u cant test for bleach cos theres no pigment to test for!

I am not a hairdresser but i own a hair and beauty salon. Obviously i need to know most aspects of the business.
We always patch test for a root colour or full head colour. We don't patch test for foils as the product doesn't touch the skin. I also don't know why you have to use a toner if you have left the bleach on for the right amount of time.
We also don't patch test for a full head of bleach. We have L'Oreal patch test and cards in the salon and they say you don't need to patch test for bleach.
Will be interesting to see what other people do as i want to make sure we are doing everything properly!

 

[magentahair]

yes defo do a test!

I do like using toners, I might want to lift the hair then make it quite ashy or creamy! Like you would after doing a full head bleach! I really thought I'd need to do a test for full head bleach, I shall re search that one some more. I have a lady that's going to have majirel in foils,she has a sensitive scalp so would you do a test to be safe??

 

[lee7smith]

Thanks geeks I will be testing everyone !

 

[HairSquared]

Any chemical, IE: perm color, highlights....should be an automatic patch test.

 

[lee7smith]

Sure enough I had a phone call yesterday for a new client wanting bleach painted on and a toner. I said I needed to skin test 48 hours before. "oh I've had it loads and never been tested" can't you just do it and I will sign something?"
She is away and then starting a new job so I don't have time to do one for when she wants the colour!
I have said no, as I want to be professional so just going to do the cut! ............... There are such mixed feelings on testing ................

 

[scottydolly]

im confused as to how one wud do an allergy test for bleach, u cant very well slam bleach on behing there ear and leave for 24 hours. . . have u seen what it does to ur finger if u burst a glove?

 

[lauren89]

You can get skin test kits now, that you can send out to the client and they do it themselves at home.
Loads more convinient for you and the client.
I can't remember the company name of the one we use, but you'll probably find it if you do a google search.

 

[lauren89]

im confused as to how one wud do an allergy test for bleach, u cant very well slam bleach on behing there ear and leave for 24 hours. . . have u seen what it does to ur finger if u burst a glove?

We just test with a base 5 with 6% for everyone.

 

[lee7smith]

I understand with the bleech but it's as I'm using luo Po1( with this particular lady) afterwards! I wish clients would understand we are just trying to follow M I .

 

[angelina221]

We just test with a base 5 with 6% for everyone.

So what would happen if you tested someone with a base 5 but when they came in they want a base 1?
Let's say the skin test was fine and there was no reaction, but when they come in and have their hair done with a base 1 they have a reaction.
I know sometimes a skin test can be fine but a reaction can still occur when having a full head, but, wouldn't your insurance be invalid if you haven't actually tested them with the product that you will be using?
Also, my hairdresser only tests with the colour and not the developer.
I actually only found this out the other day.
Someone came in for a patch test and the hairdresser wasn't in. Only the other beauty therapist was in and she rang me to ask how to do a patch test. I didn't hear the call but she called the hairdresser and asked her how to do it and she said to just apply the dye and not the developer.
When i arrived at work the beauty therapist asked how i had given patch tests to clients. I said that i had mixed the dye and developer together and done it like that, the same way as i would for an eyelash tint. The hairdresser said that i should just apply the colour. I said 'oh i thought it was the same as for eyelash tints'. So i thought i will make sure i do it with just the dye in future. Now i very very rarely give patch tests to hair clients as the hairdresser is usually there but i have done it a couple of times.
Now after reading this, I am thinking that maybe you do a patch test with the dye and developer.
Can someone please clarify this for me as I want to make sure we are doing this the correct way!

 

[lauren89]

So what would happen if you tested someone with a base 5 but when they came in they want a base 1?
Let's say the skin test was fine and there was no reaction, but when they come in and have their hair done with a base 1 they have a reaction.
I know sometimes a skin test can be fine but a reaction can still occur when having a full head, but, wouldn't your insurance be invalid if you haven't actually tested them with the product that you will be using?
Also, my hairdresser only tests with the colour and not the developer.
I actually only found this out the other day.
Someone came in for a patch test and the hairdresser wasn't in. Only the other beauty therapist was in and she rang me to ask how to do a patch test. I didn't hear the call but she called the hairdresser and asked her how to do it and she said to just apply the dye and not the developer.
When i arrived at work the beauty therapist asked how i had given patch tests to clients. I said that i had mixed the dye and developer together and done it like that, the same way as i would for an eyelash tint. The hairdresser said that i should just apply the colour. I said 'oh i thought it was the same as for eyelash tints'. So i thought i will make sure i do it with just the dye in future. Now i very very rarely give patch tests to hair clients as the hairdresser is usually there but i have done it a couple of times.
Now after reading this, I am thinking that maybe you do a patch test with the dye and developer.
Can someone please clarify this for me as I want to make sure we are doing this the correct way!

Your testing for allergic reactions to the chemical reaction that happens when the tint and peroxide are mixed and also the para dyes in the colour, so it doesn't matter if it's a 1 or a 5 they all have para dyes, and you always test with a darker shade.
But if you skin test with the colour they want, what do you do if the have there test for a 1, but when they come for there appointment want a 4 instead? Would you skin test again and send them away?

Sorry I didn't mention I'm still at college, so they are really strict about stuff like this as not to invalidate the college insurance.

Any colour that requires peroxide should be skin tested dues to the chemical reaction, so why do the skin test without the peroxide?

 

[angelina221]

Any colour that requires peroxide should be skin tested dues to the chemical reaction, so why do the skin test without the peroxide?

Well that's what i thought. Like i said, i always mix my lash tints that way for a patch test and i assumed you would do the same for hair dyes. My hairdresser is very good, she has been doing it for 9 years and was trained at a top salon, so even though i didn't think it sounded right, i didn't want to question her as i'm not a hairdresser. I will address this with her today though!