Stop the Stink !!!!!

[NoLimitNails]

If that product works filter free then I would like to purchase one as I turn over filters for my spray tan room so quickly and would love to elimate the smell and have tried so many things to minimise overspray.

It's with filters, so probably the same for you.

Regarding the monomor smoke. Ofcourse monomor don't smoke, but how would you visualize the monomor in the air any oher way? I would be even more "turned off" If he had shown us two empty chambers, two chambers with monomor, (still they would look empty because you can't se the monomor), and then claim now you can see theres no more monomor in the on with chem stop. Then it would have been yeah right, as it is now it's clear that the chem stop actually cleanses the air, and if the smoke-molecules is gone, then so would monomor-molecules

Please just think before you ditch that, it's a very common way for scientist to measure such invisible things.

Besides that I wouldn't have bought it just by looking at the vid, I would have visited somewhere to see it in action, but as I live half way around the world I couldn't. Instead I read what a respected geek (who cares abouth health and safety) wrote about it, and he had actually seen it in action, so no better way to know if it was any good.

I'm going to try it out today, but I'm sure I won't be disappointed....

 

[The Geek]

He's obviously not Asian (that can be seen in the video). So that's one point down the drain, which also discounts any racism issue (another down the drain).

So why on earth would you say that I was inferring he was Asian? Have you actually read your comments Carl?!?!

I've tried it, you haven't ....... blah blah blah blah blah

Which of course invalidates any of my opinions regarding the marketing of the fact?

Ill email Doug for him to comment.

 

[daniella]

OKE SOMBODY IS IT WORKING? GREETING D

 

[Deena]

If it gets rid of the pong, as Nailzoo assures us it does, then it sounds like a great device. Whatever helps, eh? In the meantime, I'm finding a little pad of scrubfresh a boon for wiping my brush on. That helps a lot, too.

 

[min11]

If it gets rid of the pong, as Nailzoo assures us it does, then it sounds like a great device. Whatever helps, eh? In the meantime, I'm finding a little pad of scrubfresh a boon for wiping my brush on. That helps a lot, too.

That helps a lot doesn't it. MrMin actually commented on the reduction in odour when I started doing that although I'd already worked at wiping less even though my training taught me to so so.

As for the device, as I'm just at home I'd rather work on reducing the odour by technique and save my money for my conversion. :hug:

 

[Doug Schoon]

Hi NailZoo,
I would be happy to answer your question. You’red misinterpreting the study you cited. It really says that HPMA ability to “cause” skin sensitization is “weak”. Here’s some background info.

1. Acrylics are used in millions of applications ranging from dental devices to bone cements to contact lenses to hair brushes to tennis shoes.
2. Acrylates are a type of “acrylic” used to make UV gels, but not liquid and powder. HPMA is not any acrylate. It is a methacylate.
3. HPMA is not “most allergenic acrylate in the world”. There are many study like this and none of them can determine which is the “most allergenic”. That is a misinterpretation.
4. This study of 405 people in Finland had “preexisting allergies to acrylics”. If 100% of these people were also sensitive to grass, that wouldn’t make grass the most sensitizing plant on Earth. That too would be a misinterpretation of the information.
5. Here is what this study really suggests, if you are already sensitive to one of the thousands of types of acrylics materials, there are certain other substances are more likely to “cross-react” and cause allergy symptoms. Just like if you’re allergic to tree pollen, you are more likely to be allergic to flower pollen, too. (BTW: most allergies are caused by natural substances).
6. Those that don’t know how to properly interpret scientific information are bound to make these types of error judgments. That happens a lot when the media or activist groups interpret scientific data, more often not, they make a mistake and draw the wrong conclusions.
7. This study actually shows how very important not to overexpose nail techs or client’s “skin” to UV gel, liquid and powder, fiberglass resins or tip adhesives. Contrary to what some companies will tell you, ALL of these are based on acrylics and acrylic chemistry, there are NO exceptions. If your client’s skin becomes sensitive to one type of artificial nail product, they may very well develop sensitivities to other similar materials, even though they have never even contacted that substance before. That’s call cross-reactivity.

The bottom line is, it is an important responsibility of all nail technicians to always avoid skin contact to all artificial nail products. If properly applied, they are safe. Sloppy techniques and improper applications is what causes skin allergy. Any product can be used safely, and it’s up to nail technicians to do so. That’s your responsibility.

If you want to learn more about this subject, read my book, “Nail Structure and Product Chemistry”, 2cd Edition.

I hope that answers your question. Thanks for asking.
Doug Schoon
Chief Scientific Advisor
Creative Nail Design, Inc.

 

[Doug Schoon]

Hi Nail Zoo,
I am happy to see you are a believer in proper ventilation. So am I, as I am sure you know. However, the device we are discussing falls far short of being anything close to "proper". Personally, I think the video demo is very deceptive and this device is not likely to be effective, at all. If you read my book, you'll see why. Personally, I wouldn’t waste my money on it. Ineffective ventilation equipment is like installing a screen door on a submarine. It just give you a false sense of security, waste money and electricity.
Doug Schoon
Chief Scientific Advisor
Creative Nail Design, Inc.

 

[Enhanced-Barbie]

Hey guys, interesting debate on this topic.

My question is, if it evapourated the acetone the way it did, wouldn't it just evapourate the monomer, meaning it would cost a heck of a lot more to keep your dappon dish full?

I'm no scientist so I'm probably very wrong, but I look forward to hearing the answer.

 

[Doug Schoon]

Hi,
The acetone evaporation trick is one of the many deceptions used in the video. Moving air makes acetone evporate faster, i.e fanning. Of course its going to evaporate faster. Blowing on it would do the same, as would waving it in the air over your head and dancing around the room. That's just part of the deception in this video.

I'm not impressed, you shouldn't be either. Save your money and don't buy this system. Read chapter 14 and 15 in my book, Nail Structure and Product Chemistry, 2cd Ed., and you'll know more about proper ventilation than the guy in the video. And you'll end up with a ventilation system that works.

Doug Schoon
Chief Scientific Advisor
Creative Nail Design, Inc.

 

[Julia Moran]

Doug & All,

I'll leave the chemical stuff to the experts, but i can say that i have just actually finished reading Dougs book that is referred to (2nd Edition), and for anyone that felt as though this area of dust and vapour control was not covered enough in their nail training, or has any concerns or needs to look into the area more, i give this book a great big thumbs up. Its easily available here in the UK.

 

[NoLimitNails]

So now I have tried this out, and despite different opinions it works for me.

During the session and here after there's little to no smell. And this is not just jugded by me. Normally I have to have my windows open (I work from home so no extraction of air) eventhough I follow procedures for keeping the odor to a minimum. So this little bugger has helped me get rid of the last smell....

So no matter who says it works or not, I'm glad I spend the money on it:green:

 

[Enhanced-Barbie]

Hi,
The acetone evaporation trick is one of the many deceptions used in the video. Moving air makes acetone evporate faster, i.e fanning. Of course its going to evaporate faster. Blowing on it would do the same, as would waving it in the air over your head and dancing around the room. That's just part of the deception in this video.

I'm not impressed, you shouldn't be either. Save your money and don't buy this system. Read chapter 14 and 15 in my book, Nail Structure and Product Chemistry, 2cd Ed., and you'll know more about proper ventilation than the guy in the video. And you'll end up with a ventilation system that works.

Doug Schoon
Chief Scientific Advisor
Creative Nail Design, Inc.

Thanks for your reply Doug, I can't wait to read your book, only problem is finding the money go get a copy over here to New Zealand, but it is defiantely on my 'to do' list

 

[geeg]

So now I have tried this out, and despite different opinions it works for me.

During the session and here after there's little to no smell. And this is not just jugded by me. Normally I have to have my windows open (I work from home so no extraction of air) eventhough I follow procedures for keeping the odor to a minimum. So this little bugger has helped me get rid of the last smell....

So no matter who says it works or not, I'm glad I spend the money on it:green:

Glad it seems to work for you ..............

I never work with an open window and guess what??? I make little to no odour. People comment on it regularly. How can that be?

If you really were following the procedures for keeping odour to a minimum you wouldn't have to be opening a window.

 

[NoLimitNails]

I didn't mean I work with open window, I meant that I open it after work (sorry for not explaining correctly:irked as I work in my livingroom and eventhough I try to do all the things you can do to eliminate odor, my children would still notice when comming home.

If I had a salon or a room especially just for nails I would probably have a ventilation system that ventilates air out as recommended, but as I don't this eliminates the odor I get and I'm able to do nails without having to worry about the last small amount of odor.

I know what doug says and have read the book, but still this does work for my purpose. (and to add when working in a salon we to got comments about the smell being less at our salon than others, so just me not knowing the right way to explain I guess)

 

[Doug Schoon]

Hi Karen,
If you read my book then you know that elimination of odors is NOT the goal. Many potentially hazardous vapors smell good and others have little or no smell, i.e. UV gels and dusts (both require proper ventilation).

In most parts of the US it is illegal to work form home, for precisely the reason you outlined. Nail techs working at home often don't invest in proper ventilation which can lead to overexposing their children. My book also points out that the need to open a window while working is a classic sign of improper ventilation.

Using the device you've described is like putting a band aid over an infected skin wound. The band aid will just hide the infection, not make it go away. I doubt that is your intent, but that is what you are doing.
IMO, proper ventilation is as much of a requirement as using a brush to apply product. You wouldn't say, I can't afford a brush, so I use my fingers.
Doug

 

[1999judy]

This looks not disimilar to the fuminator from NSI......which would leave you to believe you were getting rid of FUMES...not vapours by the name.
I can understand it would reduce dust to a certain extent and did used have the one stated above and smoked an oily rag (thats a cigarette btw lol) in front of it...just to see that yes indeed it did draw the smoke in. So.... it did draw dust in which is a great help especially if you use a lot of gel. Or are perhaps quite new and are filing more whilst you get your application just right.
I would also be a little perturbed to see a product being used this way in an ad.....did they ask for consent??
I've used monomer for quite a few years but it has never smoked oddly enough....that's just my bad habit

 

[1999judy]

Hi Karen,
If you read my book then you know that elimination of odors is NOT the goal. Many potentially hazardous vapors smell good and others have little or no smell, i.e. UV gels and dusts (both require proper ventilation).

In most parts of the US it is illegal to work form home, for precisely the reason you outlined. Nail techs working at home often don't invest in proper ventilation which can lead to overexposing their children. My book also points out that the need to open a window while working is a classic sign of improper ventilation.

Just out of interest Doug...how well does the ventilation work that you would use over your cooker/hob regarding this?? Say, if you worked in the kitchen area on a breakfast bar etc?? Home or mobile?

Using the device you've described is like putting a band aid over an infected skin wound. The band aid will just hide the infection, not make it go away. I doubt that is your intent, but that is what you are doing.
IMO, proper ventilation is as much of a requirement as using a brush to apply product. You wouldn't say, I can't afford a brush, so I use my fingers.
Doug

Sorry I can't do the thing where you ask 2 questions in one post!!

 

[Doug Schoon]

Hi,
I can't say for sure, but most such devices work "ok" in a home setting, but they are not designed or appropriate for professional use.
Doug

 

[Doug Schoon]

Hi Again,
That's not really correct. Fumes are a mixture of vapours and dust particles, i.e. soot. Cars and candles emit fumes, salon products do not. When a liquid evaporates it forms a vapour. Vapours and dusts are what we are trying to control in the salon, not fumes.

You are right about the "smoke" in the video. That is clearly deceptive and not going to happen. Just like the meter that supposedly showed toxicity levels... all a bunch of nonsense. If this product is so good, why do they have to resort to deceptive marketing to sell it?

Doug Schoon
Chief Scientific Advisor
Creative Nail Design, Inc.

This looks not disimilar to the fuminator from NSI......which would leave you to believe you were getting rid of FUMES...not vapours by the name.
I can understand it would reduce dust to a certain extent and did used have the one stated above and smoked an oily rag (thats a cigarette btw lol) in front of it...just to see that yes indeed it did draw the smoke in. So.... it did draw dust in which is a great help especially if you use a lot of gel. Or are perhaps quite new and are filing more whilst you get your application just right.
I would also be a little perturbed to see a product being used this way in an ad.....did they ask for consent??
I've used monomer for quite a few years but it has never smoked oddly enough....that's just my bad habit

 

[marioned]

Out of interest and to help me understand, if the piece of equipment does remove the smell of the monomer from the air (like some say it does), what is it actually removing? Wouldn't it be removing some of the monomer vapour?

Also, how would you be able to demonstrate the efficiency of such a product correctly?

I took University chemistry, but it was a long, long time ago, and I've forgotten most of what I'd learned LOL