:o oh my god hope it wasn't me hippy chick:!: i usually try to hide, then as the above threads say, brush teeth wash hands and spray perfume. i absolutely hate the habit and had been stopped for years ...till i bought my own salon :smack: must try to stop again cause you're right it looks really bad and smells even worse xxxx
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What difference to anyone does it make whether a therapist smokes or a teacher or a policeman or a binman????
No-one does it in front of the client if they work in a salon do they??
Most therapists in salons don't get the chance to go out for a smoke these days if they are busy.
What next?
Hang all smokers as they are the scourge of society????
Yes. I do smoke as you may know
I chew gum, spray breath freshener and wear perfume btw.
I remember doing a clients nails mobile and was a little early so stopped for a smoke on the way (can't smoke and drive never could) when I told her she was surprised as she never even knew I smoked.
I'd done her nails for 2 years at this point btw.
AND of course you WILL see smokers bunched together in certain places!!
That's because they have to go to designated smoking areas instead of being scattered around all over the place.
Everyone who didn't smoke was happy as Larry when the smoking ban came in and now they appear to still not be happy now the smokers have been banished outside.
You really can't win:irked:
No-one does it in front of the client if they work in a salon do they??
Most therapists in salons don't get the chance to go out for a smoke these days if they are busy.
What next?
Hang all smokers as they are the scourge of society????
Yes. I do smoke as you may know
I chew gum, spray breath freshener and wear perfume btw.
I remember doing a clients nails mobile and was a little early so stopped for a smoke on the way (can't smoke and drive never could) when I told her she was surprised as she never even knew I smoked.
I'd done her nails for 2 years at this point btw.
AND of course you WILL see smokers bunched together in certain places!!
That's because they have to go to designated smoking areas instead of being scattered around all over the place.
Everyone who didn't smoke was happy as Larry when the smoking ban came in and now they appear to still not be happy now the smokers have been banished outside.
You really can't win:irked:
hippy-chick
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depends if you were driving a bluey-green car at the same time!
Zingara
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I don't smoke, but the way I see it is this. If a my therapist manages to 'cover' up the smell, doesn't smoke around me and it doesn't affect me, then.....I don't see that I can have a problem with that.
That said, I have been on the receiving end of a smokers breath, whilst she was doing an eyeborow shape for me, and it was quite horrible, so I never went back to her and found somone else to do them (until I was trained myself)
That said, I have been on the receiving end of a smokers breath, whilst she was doing an eyeborow shape for me, and it was quite horrible, so I never went back to her and found somone else to do them (until I was trained myself)
jrobinson
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i dont smoke, but a lot of the hairdressers i work with smoke, and if they dont have a mint or spray perfume afterwards you can really smell it. I used to work with a lady who smoked and drank a lot of coffee, never had mints or anything, used to spray extremly disgusting perfume so always stunk and its not nice to jhave to work around it never mind have a treatment done by someone like that!
as long as you cover it up with mints and so on i dont think its a prob.
as long as you cover it up with mints and so on i dont think its a prob.
Blue Rose
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Personally I find nothing worse than the smell of fresh or stale cigarettes, especially from interviewees. I would not employ a therapist who smokes as no matter how much you try & disguise the smell, it's still there underneath the mints & perfume, making for a very strange combination of smells.
I don't like clients smoking just before they are due in either as they stink the salon out & it can take forever sometimes to get the place smelling 'fresh' again.
For me, I think smoking goes beyond the 'it not being good for you' & it's more a sensory thing. Clients come to a salon to relax & indulge themselves & part of the relaxation process is on a subconcious (sp?) level enhanced by their senses - smell being one of them. If the salon & therapist smell nice, you are more likely to subconciously relax.
If you're booked in for close facial work it can't be very pleasant being treated by a moderate to heavy smoker. (well it wouldn't be for me anyway). Same reason I don't drink coffee when I treat clients -don't want coffee breath on them.
Edit: just re-read Ann's original post about seeing a therapist in uniform smoking. Meant to say that near me is a comp. health centre offering treatments to help quit smoking, amongst others. The owner/therapist is outside every day, in uniform, smoking!! Not a very good advert for her treatments is she? (Just remembered having a treatment with her once & all I could notice was the smell of ciggies).
I don't like clients smoking just before they are due in either as they stink the salon out & it can take forever sometimes to get the place smelling 'fresh' again.
For me, I think smoking goes beyond the 'it not being good for you' & it's more a sensory thing. Clients come to a salon to relax & indulge themselves & part of the relaxation process is on a subconcious (sp?) level enhanced by their senses - smell being one of them. If the salon & therapist smell nice, you are more likely to subconciously relax.
If you're booked in for close facial work it can't be very pleasant being treated by a moderate to heavy smoker. (well it wouldn't be for me anyway). Same reason I don't drink coffee when I treat clients -don't want coffee breath on them.
Edit: just re-read Ann's original post about seeing a therapist in uniform smoking. Meant to say that near me is a comp. health centre offering treatments to help quit smoking, amongst others. The owner/therapist is outside every day, in uniform, smoking!! Not a very good advert for her treatments is she? (Just remembered having a treatment with her once & all I could notice was the smell of ciggies).
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Lynne Baker
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I also think it's a gross habit. No matter how much you spray perfume/deodorant/breath freshener, the smell clings to clothes and hair. And trying to cover it up with artificial scents just makes it worse.
I like to drink white wine. I like the feeling of slightly reduced inhibitions, and the taste too, particularly of Chablis. I understand that drinking too much will damage my health, so I drink in moderation. I don't understand why people smoke. It WILL damage your health, it DOES make you smell, and smokers are the new paedophiles. Gradually society is ostracising smokers, making it more and more difficult to smoke anywhere, and making it more expensive to do so. I think there's something rather pathetic about seeing a bunch of addicts huddled outside a pub/salon/office in all weathers, getting their fix. It seems awfully undignified to me.
I like to drink white wine. I like the feeling of slightly reduced inhibitions, and the taste too, particularly of Chablis. I understand that drinking too much will damage my health, so I drink in moderation. I don't understand why people smoke. It WILL damage your health, it DOES make you smell, and smokers are the new paedophiles. Gradually society is ostracising smokers, making it more and more difficult to smoke anywhere, and making it more expensive to do so. I think there's something rather pathetic about seeing a bunch of addicts huddled outside a pub/salon/office in all weathers, getting their fix. It seems awfully undignified to me.
s.mill
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Lynne Baker
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hated by society at large.
s.mill
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Don't you think that it is a bit of a strong comparaison? Did you ever smoke? If not i don't think you can possibly understand how addictive smoking is and whilst some people manage to stop other struggle to do so or do not see a need to stop. In any case i was still under the impression that this was a free country and cigarettes are still legal substances. I personally don't drink and 2 members of my family have died of alcohol related disease, but it would not give me the right to judge you because you indulge in a glass of Chablis.
Lynne Baker
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I smoked 2 cigarettes a day for 5 years about 20 years ago. I gave it up after scrubbing for any number of operations where bits of lung were excised from smokers, and when we amputated people's legs as a result of claudication (where the circulation is so damaged that the tissue dies). I appreciate that some people find it very difficult to stop, but that shouldn't be used as a reason to carry on.
You have every right to judge me on my occasional glass of Chablis, but I would argue that my weekly half bottle of alcohol does not make me smell bad, nor does it virtually guarantee me a cancer of one sort or another.
I think the government is gradually trying to make smoking socially unacceptable, and there are certainly moves afoot to make alcohol less accessible to reduce our intake.
Alcohol and smoking are such enormous burdens on the NHS; we could do worse than making both less acceptable.
You have every right to judge me on my occasional glass of Chablis, but I would argue that my weekly half bottle of alcohol does not make me smell bad, nor does it virtually guarantee me a cancer of one sort or another.
I think the government is gradually trying to make smoking socially unacceptable, and there are certainly moves afoot to make alcohol less accessible to reduce our intake.
Alcohol and smoking are such enormous burdens on the NHS; we could do worse than making both less acceptable.
s.mill
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I do agree that smoking is bad for anyone's health, i am aware of the damage it causes to the body, i also agree that it smells bad. So your comments at large were valid but i do maintain that comparing smokers with paedophile is taking it too far.
When it comes down to it, if therapists want to smoke is it not their business? If it means they are losing customers because of the smell is it not their business also? Isnt smoking like drinking a personal choice?
When it comes down to it, if therapists want to smoke is it not their business? If it means they are losing customers because of the smell is it not their business also? Isnt smoking like drinking a personal choice?
redsadie
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Oh guys! :cry: I was hoping I'd be giving up as my business took off for most of the reasons that have been mentioned here., but it seems that a lot of you are just as stressed out as I am in my current 'job'! I don't want to be standing over a client and being paranoid that they can smell old smoke on me! And vice versa, I wouldn't want to have a treatment if the person had just put one out.
I smoke, I don't like it and I am trying to do something about it. It's very hard though when my husband smokes too.
I only smoke about 4 or 5 a day but I sometimes think it's harder to give up when you only smoke a few as I find I relish the 5 minutes it gives me away from my desk at the moment.
Sarah. x
I smoke, I don't like it and I am trying to do something about it. It's very hard though when my husband smokes too.
I only smoke about 4 or 5 a day but I sometimes think it's harder to give up when you only smoke a few as I find I relish the 5 minutes it gives me away from my desk at the moment.
Sarah. x
VHunter
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yes, I am a smoker.
Most of my clients don't realize it until I say so. I'm VERY conscientious.
ButI do feel that sometimes people get a little overboard about it. Just as some smokers go overboard too... a little each way.
We all have vices, some more visible than others. No one is perfect.
I just don't feel it's right to bash smokers, no more than it's right to bash those that have a nightly drink (which by the way, the only alcohol we have in the house is left over beer from xmas that was bought for guests and not even ourselves). I'm not allowed to smoke in the restaurant because it pollutes someone's air or because it stinks. BUT people are allowed to pollute my air with their cars/busses/trucks OR foul body odour... Nobody bashes them or tells them to take their stink outside.
We are ALL well aware of what public opinion is regarding smoking and smokers and what the health statistics say and the laws etc...
We needn't hash it out here any more than we should discuss abortion or politics or religion because someone is always likely to be offended (raising hand here LOL).
Let's all agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Although I appreciate everyone has an opinion, I think some topics are safer steered clear of, know what I mean?
Hugs all around and peace out :lol::hug:
Most of my clients don't realize it until I say so. I'm VERY conscientious.
ButI do feel that sometimes people get a little overboard about it. Just as some smokers go overboard too... a little each way.
We all have vices, some more visible than others. No one is perfect.
I just don't feel it's right to bash smokers, no more than it's right to bash those that have a nightly drink (which by the way, the only alcohol we have in the house is left over beer from xmas that was bought for guests and not even ourselves). I'm not allowed to smoke in the restaurant because it pollutes someone's air or because it stinks. BUT people are allowed to pollute my air with their cars/busses/trucks OR foul body odour... Nobody bashes them or tells them to take their stink outside.
We are ALL well aware of what public opinion is regarding smoking and smokers and what the health statistics say and the laws etc...
We needn't hash it out here any more than we should discuss abortion or politics or religion because someone is always likely to be offended (raising hand here LOL).
Let's all agree to disagree and leave it at that.
Although I appreciate everyone has an opinion, I think some topics are safer steered clear of, know what I mean?
Hugs all around and peace out :lol::hug:
ValencianNails
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Isn't this taking it a bit too far???It WILL damage your health, it DOES make you smell, and smokers are the new paedophiles.
I'm a smoker for friks sake, not a child molestor!!!!!!!!!!!!
There's a bit of a difference, NO???
And, neither should it be a reason for you to carry on drinking... or have I got the wrong end of the politically correct stick here?!?
My Nana never smoked in her life, had a snowball drink at Christmas once a year, she died of pancreatic cancer, you don't need to be a drinker NOR smoker to die of cancer. I feel that this has been blown out of proportion somewhere along the lines, huh?!?
No, I don't have the right to judge you for your drinking habits, in the same way that you have NO RIGHT to judge me for my smoking habits and even more so NO RIGHTS WHATSOEVER to judge me as a paedophile just because I choose to smoke as opposed to molesting children, I think there's a HUGE gap between the two
or maybe your hypocritical view (as an ex smoker) has come into play here?
Lynne Baker
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I feel I should apologise for offending people here. I'm not suggesting for a second that smokers are paedophiles; what I meant was that paedophiles are hated, and smokers are being treated with a similar disdain.
I don't believe that I'm being hypocritical in any way. I smoked 2 cigarettes a day when much younger, saw the enormous burden it placed on the NHS and the damage it does to one's health and gave up.
Moderate alcohol intake does not damage one's health; indeed it can have beneficial effects - think red wine and protection against heart disease. Moderate cigarette intake WILL damage one's health.
Again I'm sorry to have offended people.
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I don't believe that I'm being hypocritical in any way. I smoked 2 cigarettes a day when much younger, saw the enormous burden it placed on the NHS and the damage it does to one's health and gave up.
Moderate alcohol intake does not damage one's health; indeed it can have beneficial effects - think red wine and protection against heart disease. Moderate cigarette intake WILL damage one's health.
Again I'm sorry to have offended people.
:hug:
It is very VERY hard to stop smoking just like that. You have to want to stop ,not be pushed into it. Stopping smoking is like coming off from heroin . It's like me saying "Right ,everyone that drinks EVEN 1 glass you HAVE to stop". I would never do that and nor should anyone else.
We all know what damage smoking can do to you, but people have to make up their own minds on stopping.I have stopped smoking because a) I have asthma and my breathing was VERY bad and B) I wanted to save money , which i have done. People smoke infront of me and around me and i dont tell them to go away cos they smell !!.
You only smoked 2 **** a day so you were hardly a addict, i know people who smoke 60 a day, imagine the will power they have had to over come to stop.
Well, my mum has recently died of lung cancer. Actually it spread through her body and gave her 3 brain tumours which killed her.
I'm definately sure though she wasn't a paedophile.
YES she did smoke.
Even at the end because I lit them for her.
WHY???
Smoking is a drug.
Did you know????
BTW there's nothing worse than an ex smoker IMO for preaching.
Funny how people in AA don't preach about how they were addicted to alcohol but everyone who drinks it now is some sort of weirdo/devil worshipper.
I'm terribly sorry but one thing I detest more than any addiction is hypocritital behaviour.
I'm definately sure though she wasn't a paedophile.
YES she did smoke.
Even at the end because I lit them for her.
WHY???
Smoking is a drug.
Did you know????
BTW there's nothing worse than an ex smoker IMO for preaching.
Funny how people in AA don't preach about how they were addicted to alcohol but everyone who drinks it now is some sort of weirdo/devil worshipper.
I'm terribly sorry but one thing I detest more than any addiction is hypocritital behaviour.
Lynne Baker
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When I said that smokers are the new paedophiles I was using the expression like one would use the expression "blue is the new black".
The media is all over smokers nowadays, in the same way that it is all over knife crime/paedophiles/terrorism.
I wasn't suggesting that smokers are paedophiles! I was suggesting that society treats smokers like paedophiles!
I'm well aware that nicotine is a drug; I was a Registered General Nurse. I'm well aware of how addictive it is, and how difficult it is to break the addiction. But just because it's hard that shouldn't be a reason to not try to give up.
I'm struggling to understand how my behaviour is hypocritical. The dictionary states that the definition of hypocritical means the following:
"a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements"
I don't smoke, I don't like smoking and I'm not ashamed to state my feelings on the matter. If I smoked but banged on about what a horrible habit it is that would make me hypocritical.
The media is all over smokers nowadays, in the same way that it is all over knife crime/paedophiles/terrorism.
I wasn't suggesting that smokers are paedophiles! I was suggesting that society treats smokers like paedophiles!
I'm well aware that nicotine is a drug; I was a Registered General Nurse. I'm well aware of how addictive it is, and how difficult it is to break the addiction. But just because it's hard that shouldn't be a reason to not try to give up.
I'm struggling to understand how my behaviour is hypocritical. The dictionary states that the definition of hypocritical means the following:
"a person who feigns some desirable or publicly approved attitude, esp. one whose private life, opinions, or statements belie his or her public statements"
I don't smoke, I don't like smoking and I'm not ashamed to state my feelings on the matter. If I smoked but banged on about what a horrible habit it is that would make me hypocritical.
I would have preferred to use another word rather than hypocritical but unfortunately I may have been banned.
I'm not sure if that word is in the dictionary though tbh.
After nursing someone who recently died of a smoking related illness and watching her deteriorate to a stage where she couldn't speak etc. I do understand about smoking and the problems it can bring.
And I get a little bit sick of people who think they have every right to drink (actually it does make you smell and also do a variety of weird things....like lose your inhibitions etc?? or get run over because you can't stand up?? don't ring an ambulance though if this happens you will be a total burden on the good old NHS) but smokers are the bane of society.
I'm not sure if that word is in the dictionary though tbh.
After nursing someone who recently died of a smoking related illness and watching her deteriorate to a stage where she couldn't speak etc. I do understand about smoking and the problems it can bring.
And I get a little bit sick of people who think they have every right to drink (actually it does make you smell and also do a variety of weird things....like lose your inhibitions etc?? or get run over because you can't stand up?? don't ring an ambulance though if this happens you will be a total burden on the good old NHS) but smokers are the bane of society.
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