UV lamp reassurance

[geeg]

Hi Hun

I use a Brisa lamp with my gel, I do use brisa gel but I also use NSI gel and NSI Colour gel. This seems to cure all of them. Each gel that you use has to be cured for the correct time, for example NSI colour gel needs 2 mins each coat. Check with the instructions on what gel you get to see how long it needs curing. I know they say you should keep to the same lamp as gel but many people just buy a one handed lamp and they are normally fine, but IBD are a good make so why not giver their gel a try. Abi

The Brisa lamp will most likely cure any gel and in some cases it will over cure as it is a more intense lamp than most. As I have said about 5000 times, and some are still not listening, YOU nor anyone else cannot tell what the effect the lamp is having on the gel you use until it is too late to do anything about it.

Many gels are the same .. SOME are not ... if your lamp is compatible with the gel you are using GREAT but you need to confirm this is correct with the manufacturer of the gel.

 

[Liane]

Hi, I have the same lamp and its brill. I love the IBD gels and am staying with this system for the time being. I am interested in CND and will be finding out about this in due course but I agree with the point you raised about buying different lamps for different systems, its not really feasible. I hear the comments about using the correct lamp for the same gel but I have used the lamp to cure different gels such as the Edge and other gels and have not had any problems.

Just a point to note (and please don't shoot me down!!) but could manufacturers only be recommending you buy their lamp because they want to make more money out of us????????? (I am suitably cowered and protected in readiness for the response!!):twisted:

 

[Jagienka]

Hi, I have the same lamp and its brill. I love the IBD gels and am staying with this system for the time being. I am interested in CND and will be finding out about this in due course but I agree with the point you raised about buying different lamps for different systems, its not really feasible. I hear the comments about using the correct lamp for the same gel but I have used the lamp to cure different gels such as the Edge and other gels and have not had any problems.

Just a point to note (and please don't shoot me down!!) but could manufacturers only be recommending you buy their lamp because they want to make more money out of us????????? (I am suitably cowered and protected in readiness for the response!!):twisted:

Thank You

 

[LIL2]

You are very brave. Now run for cover! :Scared: :biggrin:

 

[mum]

Of course manufacturers want to make more money out of you! They are a business. Don't you try to retail to your clients and suggest other services to make more money out of them??:biggrin:

However, some gels are formulated differently (many come from the same factory with just a different label on) and the photo-initiators react to specific UV output.

Suppliers cannot support their gel unless it's used with the manufacturers recommended lamp. It's a fact than no amount of "but the lamp I use works" posts will change that fact.

End of really

 

[loubilicious]

No-one has actually said it won't work, what has been said is that it is impossible to tell with the naked eye whether a gel has properly cured, under cured or over cured and that the only way of knowing whether a particular lamp is compatible with a particular gel is to check with the manufacturers......which IMO is very good advice which should be taken..

It may well be that this or any other lamp may be compatible with a number of brands, but equally it may be incompatible with others, so if it was me I would take the 5 minutes to check with a particular gel manufacturer/distributor whether it is or not before purchasing the product....for the sake of my clients' safety and for the sake of my own reputation.

Lou x

 

[geeg]

Thank You

Maybe you should read this and learn from it? Or perhaps you think doug Schoon just wants to sell UV Lamps??? :biggrin:

http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/109719-every-user-uv-gels-should-read.html

 

[Vetty]

Just a point to note (and please don't shoot me down!!) but could manufacturers only be recommending you buy their lamp because they want to make more money out of us????????? (I am suitably cowered and protected in readiness for the response!!):twisted:

And maybe manufacturers recommend their lamps because they know the facts about curing their gel . Doug Schoon has no lamp to sell but his article is clear about the need to use the correct lamp for your system.

This whole thread smacks of wanting to do nails on the cheap - well there are some things you can save money on but other things that are essential..... The correct gel lamp is essential. If you don't like it use L+P and the need for different lamps is removed.

Why can people not accept an answer if it isn't the answer they want?

 

[NoLimitNails]

and why the heck can't people just realise (as stated about a million times) that YOU ARE NOT ABLE TO SEE IF THE PRODUCT IS UNDERCURED OR OVERCURED!!!! Even if you feel that all is just fine, well how do you really know that? How about those clients that develop serious allergic reaction to the gel, because of undercuring, or lifting because, or other problems...

I have had a client that developed an allergy, after going to the same tech for a few years, the tech used a cheap lamp (the gel she used was a well knwn brand and the lamp for that, wasn't a white unbranded tunnellamp as client described) and build the nails way to thick, so when I spend 45 minutes filing them down, not only did the last bits smell, it was different to file in, but hey they did look cured so must have been:evil:

 

[NoLimitNails]

I use a Brisa lamp with my gel, I do use brisa gel but I also use NSI gel and NSI Colour gel. This seems to cure all of them.

I just had to add this, if you think they cure fine why did you have the problems in this thread: http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/109515-nsi-colour-gel-bubbling-shrinking.html I'm not out to get you, but you were given some great advise on that thread, and still doesn't seem understand that the problems you have could be the wrong lamp, therefore giving wrong advise.

 

[Nataliya]

I am sorry. Are there people here who dont know who Gigi Rouse (geeg) and Marian Newman (mum) are?

That some people will die to spend sometime with these ladies to learn something.

Surely if a particular person doesnt have a scooby:Scared: what they are talking about they should keep it shut, NOT to confuse other people who really want to learn the right way.

And we should not make statements if we dont know what we are talking about!!

I am sorry for this post geeks, but there are some people here that got me started!:twisted:

 

[Nataliya]

I just had to add this, if you think they cure fine why did you have the problems in this thread: http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/109515-nsi-colour-gel-bubbling-shrinking.html I'm not out to get you, but you were given some great advise on that thread, and still doesn't seem understand that the problems you have could be the wrong lamp, therefore giving wrong advise.

Exactly!!!

 

[Nataliya]

Thank You

I am sorry, but you have no idea at all do you? Not diffucult to realise after reading your posts! :Scared:

 

[Jagienka]

I am sorry, but you have no idea at all do you? Not diffucult to realise after reading your posts! :Scared:

I know.. :biggrin:
But I discover somethink .. amazing agression from side..which I don't expect .:wink2:

 

[Nataliya]

I am sorry, but you have no idea at all do you? Not diffucult to realise after reading your posts! :Scared:

I know.. :biggrin:
But I discover somethink .. amazing agression from side..which I don't expect .:wink2:

There is no agression at all. The site is for sharing experiences, learning and asking questions for professionals. There are a lot of geeks on here who are just starting their path to being amazing nail techs. We dont want them to get it all wrong. Most of us had to re-study after college where we were taught gibberish.

Please dont make statements unless you absolutely sure what you are talking about. Thats all)

No agression

 

[abicrunch]

I just had to add this, if you think they cure fine why did you have the problems in this thread: http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/109515-nsi-colour-gel-bubbling-shrinking.html I'm not out to get you, but you were given some great advise on that thread, and still doesn't seem understand that the problems you have could be the wrong lamp, therefore giving wrong advise.

No not at all, it seemed to be just one colour gel that I used that was causing bubbling, I have tried it with the other colour gels that I use and have had no problems. Maybe there was dust in my gel or just fine lint threads was a problem, although I use lint free wipes we all know they are not completely lint free.

As I stated this isnt a problem for me, and I did advise stick to using IBD as she already has an IBD lamp.

So many people seem to nit pick on here, and bite peoples heads off, they are only offering advice from their own experience.

AFTERALL, NOT ALL OF US ARE PERFECT IN EVERY WAY:evil:

 

[ValencianNails]

So many people seem to nit pick on here, and bite peoples heads off, they are only offering advice from their own experience.

AFTERALL, NOT ALL OF US ARE PERFECT IN EVERY WAY:evil:

I disagree that people are nit picking when help has been asked for and 2 very well respected technicians (Gigi and Marian) have replied, alongside links/info from Doug Schoon (who is like a God to most of us with his knowledge!), yet the info still doesn't seem to be going 'in'.
That is when a few might start to wonder why they bother to offer factual advice...

The comments made by Karen weren't directed to you in a hateful way, she stated that she wasn't out to get you and if you read her signature you'll see that English isn't her first language.

Let's all move on eh?
Take the excellent and factual advice that has been offered and put it to good use :wink2:

 

[Odee]

I have just read the doug schoons artical and i too did not Know this untill recently when finding salon geek (what a god send) when i did my training they said my light that i bought from my local wholesalers would be fine, now i definatly think not.I have had issues with discolouration and pocket lifting in the passed and always worked around this. What im not sure on is, do i have to change the whole lamp or just use the bulbs the manufacturers state? I have a daylight 4x9w.

 

[ValencianNails]

I have just read the doug schoons artical and i too did not Know this untill recently when finding salon geek (what a god send) when i did my training they said my light that i bought from my local wholesalers would be fine, now i definatly think not.I have had issues with discolouration and pocket lifting in the passed and always worked around this. What im not sure on is, do i have to change the whole lamp or just use the bulbs the manufacturers state? I have a daylight 4x9w.

Just looked at your profile and see you use Balance gels, to be sure (and safe) I would contact NSI and ask them their thoughts on the Daylight uv lamp... the whole shape of the lamp and placement of the bulbs is really important if the research and product development has been put into the gel, NSI is a respected brand so they should be able to advise you as to what's best :green:

 

[Odee]

thank you i will do, but im a bit torn because im using balance and akzentz. I finding im liking akzentz more so i might just buy the akzentz light and be done with it. maybe phase out nsi?