Be Careful

[beautynails]

I don't think it was a matter of offending anyone, it's just not necessary. Used properly an acid primer is perfectly safe. If you spill it on yourself (& I have) it will burn, so will a cup of coffee..........and I'm sure not giving that up.

 

[geeg]

I really did not mean to offend or irritate anyone! It is just my preference and i would rather stick to the acid free primer i have been using.

xx

You have not offended anyone or even irritated anyone ... I'm just trying to make the points that (A) we do not even know if this tale is true. (B) there would have been no burn if the primer had been used in the normal way (C) there would have been no burn if the product had been promptly washed off with water or better still milk.

My final point is that what has happened to this person is completely her fault through ignorance and carelessness. Technicians have been using MA primer for more than 30 years .. do you think if it was an unsafe product to use, following the manufacturer's guidelines, that it would still be on the market after 30 years??

You can use products correctly or you can abuse them ... accidents are not the fault of the product but the fault of the person who is using it.

 

[1999judy]

This thread reminds me of a phrase......ambulance chaser I think is the one.
You know all the ads "have you had an accident in the last 12 months?" Someone once asked me this whilst I was out shopping 7 months pregnant. I pointed to my stomach and said "how much do ya reckon I'll get for this one?"
Watch out for any spillages on supermarket floors they can be lethal.

 

[geeg]

This thread reminds me of a phrase......ambulance chaser I think is the one.
You know all the ads "have you had an accident in the last 12 months?" Someone once asked me this whilst I was out shopping 7 months pregnant. I pointed to my stomach and said "how much do ya reckon I'll get for this one?"
Watch out for any spillages on supermarket floors they can be lethal.

I have been thinking this all along Judy but didn't say it (strange for me isn't it?? :lol ... but I do tend to agree with you 100%. We are getting more sue happy everyday in the UK ... technicians beware!!

 

[Vintage Tech]

OK, so I only got through page 1 and just HAD to reply. So if I repeat what someone already said, forgive me. I am in the US. Methyl-Methacrylate is illegal in the use of L&P. Go to the site of "No Lift Nails". The MSDS sheets are there for you to see. No Lift Nails primer is legal here, and it is the strongest and purest primer on the market. Primer is made from Methacrylic Acid and Isobutyl Methacrylate, not Methyl-methacrylic acid. This can be confusing because our own products we are using now are made from Ethyl-methacrylate. There are a few differences chemically. The "skin contact" from primer should NOT cause this type of reaction. I agree that it must be an off batch if this was the result. I have spilled it on myself before (right in the crotch) not pleasant, but not disfiguring. Just like my username says, I am vintage (that means old) and primer is a must for me. (real primer) I can't make anything else work the same. Tried it all, but you do have to be careful. Kinda like you can't grab a pot off the stove by the metal part. KWIM?

 

[hezmarie68]

First of all thank you to everyone who has written kind messages. (oh by the way I am not an attention seeker nor am I after any form of sympathy.) I posted my original message to highlight just what a non labelled product of acid primer could do when spilt on the skin.

I AM QUALIFIED, I am not Joe Bloggs who decided to just nip into my local supplier and purchase some products to have a go! Some folk on here are insinuating that I am some sort of dumbo who is just after making some quick money. This is NOT the case at all and there is nothing fishy about my accident.

When this first happened I contacted trading standards as the bottle was not labelled correctly. This was done on the advise of a burns consultant at my local burns unit. They wanted to take the bottle for testing as all that was on there was "Primer". Obviously they did not know what they were treating. (oh, I need to add that when I burnt myself I immediatley doused the area in cold water for a prolonged period of time and I also used milk, I have been advised by the burns doc that this actually spread the product and made the burns worse.)

Now, I am not a qualified doc but I did listen to what a professional doctor told me after all he has had many years of training and is a specialist in burns. He could not understand, nor can anyone else why such a small amount of liquid could cause such extensive burns. The primer was in a 10ml bottle and there was still three quarters left!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He concluded that the water and milk had infact spread the primer and caused the burns to spread!

As previously mentioned the bottle has been independently tested. The ingredients on the mds only account for 50% of the ingredients. I mentioned this because you cannot and should not 100% trust all that you read in the mds. The bottle was incorrectly labelled and anyone with half a brain would look for warning labels on any product that they use on a client or indeed themselves!!!!!!!!!! No warning labels = safe product hey!!!!!! Not in this case.

We are dealing with human beings. How many of you have gone to a clients home and a child has been knocking about whilst you are doing the nails? How many of you have gone to a clients home and actually thought about the products that you are using? Yes we know they are chemicals and yes we are trained but until this happened to me I was unaware of what extensive damage a product could do to me especially such a tiny amount of a product!

Ok, we use bleach and products around our homes but these have warning labels on so we know what we are using. We may not know exactly what each ingredient is or what damage it can do but a corrosive or X label would mean that we were extra cautious.

As I have said before, I do not and will not get into any lengthy debate on this subject all I wanted to do was make you all aware of what damage a product can do, one that we don't really need to use!!!!!!!!!! We are dealing with clients day in day out and like I originally said if I could stop one other person from hurting themselves then all this would be worthwhile. There is nothing dramatic about it, this stuff has burnt me and I have scars that will never go away.

There is nothing fishy about this, what do you all think I did, pour a load of primer over myself so I could make some money!!!!!!!!!!!!

Perhaps you all need to ask yourselves a question. Why have the firm admitted liability? Why has the product been removed from sale? Why has the product been recalled? Need I go on.

Kindest regards
Hez x

 

[hezmarie68]

Oh and I needed to add, techs may have been using primer for years but research it on the net, look at the amount of accidents!!!!!!1

 

[geeg]

If it has been withdrawn then what is all the fuss about? If one can't buy it anymore then it's no longer a problem is it?

Plenty of companies have correctly labelled acid primer.

We all have correctly labelled monomer ... when someones child drinks it because the mother was careless and let him get hold of it does that mean monomer will be withdrawn from the market? an accident is an accident and with NORMAL acid primer you can both rinse and use milk to counter act the acid effect with no harmful spreading of the burn or the product. It has always been recommended to do this in case of primer spillage.

So in fact was it primer in the bottle at all?? It certainly was not the sort of acid primer branded lines sell. Had someone tampered with it? Normal acid primer would not do what 'whateverthistuff' was did.

 

[min11]

Rinsing under water is standard first aid advice isn't it though? I cant see how it would spread it to that extent but every time I look at the burn on your elbow area the pattern of the burn looks like you folded your arm up so if the primer was on fabric maybe thats how that burn spread so far the way it did.

I'm sorry your bottle wasn't labelled but I would not use something that didn't say what was in it. If it doesn't say how can you know how to use it safely? Accidents may happen with primer but I could be carrying a pan of potatoes to drain in the sink and spill it on myself, should I stop cooking? If you are using something potentially dangerous its up to you to use it safely and not have it where a client can knock it and if its contents are unknown but your going to use it then isn't that even more the case?

I cant remember if you said before but what was it that made your client jump so badly she knocked the bottle of primer over?

 

[hezmarie68]

Both my bottle of primer and the ones that trading standards bought have the same ingredients! Therefore, the ingredients that make up the other 50% of the product are in all three bottles.

All I know is that the company know I spilt a small amount on myself, the company also know that I immediately doused the area for 30 mins with water. I have nothing to hide and will even provide copies of any documentation to anyone who asks not that I should have to prove anything but because I am deeply upset by the accusations being posted on here.

All those who are doubting me should ask themselves some questions. Why have the company admitted liability? Why are those mystery ingredients not listed on the msd? What are the mystery ingredients and could they infact of caused the burns?

I know I spilt it but such a small amount to cause this? Hey HeatherDavies perhaps the mystery ingredients are indeed battery acid :cry:.

 

[hezmarie68]

Hi again

Someone has just highlighted a point to me. When I posted the original thread I put on there about MA being banned. That was after the primary investigations. Now that they are finished we now know that this is not true. I apologise if this has mislead anyone. x

 

[1999judy]

OK we get the point.
You have had a burn and you want compensating for it.
Why do you never post about other threads?
Regardless of what is on a label I still say that if YOU have an accident YOU are responsible for it.
OK the company may not have labelled the bottle correctly....but they didn't make you spill it did they?
Chemical burns: First aid - MayoClinic.com

 

[HeatherDavis]

I know I spilt it but such a small amount to cause this? Hey HeatherDavies perhaps the mystery ingredients are indeed battery acid :cry:.

Darling if you have nothing to hide, then don't mind us mean girls who don't understand your story. You are getting far too upset about people you don't even know, why do you even care what our opinions are?

You have stated that you could not read the ingredients, as they were not listed, then stated that you didn't know if it was acid or non acid, then that you DID know what was in it.

In general, I think it's wise to NOT EVER USE something if you don't know what's in it. If it's unlabeled, I look it up. Pretty boring standard procedure.

I do not know you personally, and while I do not understand the situation you are going through, I am at a loss to understand why you even CARE what I or any other geek might think.

Have a blessed day, hope you can relax a little bit.

And my name is Heather DAVIS, not Davies. Cheers to you!

 

[ValencianNails]

I think that this thread has come to a conclusion and isn't really going anywhere anymore!

Hence.... thread closed!

A lesson has been learnt and hopefully, by leaving this thread visible, other members will see that we ALL have to be careful and vigilant when using chemicals on a daily basis.