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NeelieGel

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Did a client yesterday with La Brasiliana. She has almost waist length hair which she colours herself. Last time she coloured it with Koleston Perfect a quite red colour. 6% on the roots and another developer on the ends that I'm not sure about I am pretty sure it was Capitals equivalent to Wella 1.9%. The girls at Capital recommended the products to her. I'm not that impressed as she is not a hairdresser and considering Capital are always saying they only sell to professionals and there they were selling to a non hairdresser and giving her advice. But I digress.

Yesterday she came for her treatment. I washed it and dried it. I painted on the treatment and dried it and then used the irons. My irons do reach 230 so I am confident on that. Additionally this is not my first Brasiliana treatment and all the others have been brilliant. Anyhow I was struggling as I did it. It didn't go silky soft as I was ironing like previous times. I was not concerned about the condition. I had managed to comb it through after the clarifying shampoo without any conditioner having been applied no problem so condition of the mid lengths and ends did not cause me any concerns visa vie the heat of irons. As I said though I just couldn't seem to achieve that lovely silky feel that I normally do. I carried on through the hair and completed all sections. At the end I said to her that it did feel a bit product laden but if she could persist with it it would be worth it when it was washed in four days time. I know I didn't put too much product on because I was surprised that I only got through just under half a bottle. I also know I put enough on because each section was damp on finishing application on that section

It did look quite shiny when she left but I did say to her that it needed a trim around the bottom as it looked very thin around the bottom and felt a bit tacky.

Well she called me this morning and said it had gone cotton woolly on her and she was unable to comb or brush it through. I asked her to come over straight away and I would have a look at it. Well when she arrived I was shocked. The bottom two inches of her hair looked like sheep's wool. I said I had no alternative but to wash the product out and look and see what it was like wet. This I did. I shampooed it with the after treatment shampoo and used the after treatment conditioner too. Curiously the hair was relatively easy to comb through with the conditioner on and no stretching which is what you might expect with hair that looked that woolly. I explained that by washing it out that the treatment would be gone and that I would refund her in full. I then trimmed off an inch or so off the ends, put on the shine and define serum and blow dried with a large paddle brush no problem. It really just feels a bit hard like most normal tinted hair does but soft once dry. Bearing in mind this hair is almost waist length and tinted I would sort of expect the condition to be pretty compromised. But that was part of the reason for having the treatment.

I am just so disappointed at the outcome of this. Anyone got any idea why this happened? I am sort of thinking that despite appearing to be pretty strong hair that maybe it wasn't up to the heat of the irons. But having said that it is pretty coarse hair and irons not up to full heat would not have sealed the keratin in properly. I feel that I was on a hiding to nothing with this one. But more I am concerned as to how her hair is going to be going forward from this.

I am feeling I am going to stay away from doing this treatment now. Its really put me off. Anyone want to buy half a 125ml bottle of treatment and the two shampoos and conditioners, the two bottles of the define and shine?

Make me an offer. It was the kit from Capital which cost me around £98 I think.

I just know this will eat away at me for days now. Not good, not good at all. I'm usually so careful with everyone's hair. I'm known for not using products and being extra cautious often turning down stuff because I don't want bad conditioned hair on my conscience.

Sorry feeling a bit sorry for myself. All this after many years of hairdressing :cry:
 
Please stop beating yourself up. I use la brasiliana too, and it is a good product.
I must admit I have never had an experience like you had with it, but you did it correctly. God only knows what this "home dabbler" had done to her hair previously.

You dealt with the problem magnificently, which is the most important thing.
Hair is a natural product with huge variables. This just wasnt the treatment for her.

So please calm down, have a nice glass of wine, and chalk this one up to experience. x
 
If anyone has this problem, can they take a pic? I have heard of this before and am very curious to see it. Don't let it get to you, its like any other service, sometimes there are hiccups. This has been a life-changing treatment for many of my clients, I wouldn't dream of cutting them off or sending them away.
 
thanks P. I am beating myself up can't help it. Its in my nature. Bit of a perfectionist. Just worrying that her hair will continue to matt up like that until she has about 5" inches cut off it. Why she wants hair down her back like that when she has it tied up nearly all the time and colours it herself etc etc god only knows. But hey ho nowt so queer as folk. Thankfully she's not a regular client that I have lost ongoing business as she has a home hairdresser that goes to her but had never done LaB before. But she does my nails for me and beautifully she really is the best by a country mile and I don't want to see her hair ruined and she be unhappy with me.
 
It won't happen like that. Bras works on the outside of the hair only, you cannot permanently bugger up someones hair with it!

Nobody can be a perfect hairdresser all the time, we all come across clients that our normal products are incompatable with.
 
I am going to digress now!
Is it common practise to appy La Brasilla to dry hair? I use global you see and we are advised to keep the hair damp whilst applying!

To the original poster dont give up on it , keep going and chin up we cant win them all!:)
 
Yes the method is to dry the hair 80% then apply Keratin treatment. Then blowdry 100% then iron.

I am convinced the damage has occurred during ironing but it was so strange as there was no elasticity or weakness prior to treatment and no sign of damage whilst actually ironing. It was just that I kept going over it and it just wouldn't go silky like it usually does.

I don't know if she did anything to her hair last night and is not telling me. However, I have given her a full refund. Shampooed, trimmed and blow dried her hair again. I can't really do any more can I? She is going to colour her hair again in a couple of weeks so I don't know how much more damage she is going to do. I'm convinced it's as a result of the colouring method she has just started doing when she decided to go from brown to red about three weeks ago.
 
Well i use Brocato system as this is the chemical free solution, and the results i have had have been Fantastic on reading yours i would say first
Not enough solution was applied to the ends as this is the most pouros part of the hair and you should have applied more formula, and then on the Keratin spray i would have applied more to the area to as per normal.

Now color of the hair, this is my Bug bare here. Not using the right developer with the right brand, ie' matrix color with Solite developer, if they use a cheap developer they do NOT get the same color as the cheaper developer does not always react well with the color molecules in the tube of color !!!!!

When it comes to irons, if you do not have Vibro irons u can use normal irons but you need to iron each Section 6 Times where as vibro it is only 3, please do not be put of by this, use Broacato smoothing system it is Formeldyhade free and so great......
 
Hi there again. So today she tells me it was the same again on waking. Tangled at the bottom. She has washed it again and covered in oil. She tells me that she was using this oil treatment previously on the lengths and ends "to keep it in good condition". I am wondering if this soaking it in oil all the time (every time I see her its tied up an looking gunky) because it was already knackered and this was masking the true state of the hair. Even so I might still have gone ahead as Keratin blowdry marketing is aimed at clients with knackered hair. The claim being that the most benefit is for clients that have coloured and treated hair.

I am now wondering, if she asks me, what is the best product to help with repair (apart from cutting obviously) and conditioning over the long term. I have read on here that Redken Extreme treatments are good and that was my product range when I owned a salon a few years ago.

Anyone got any views on that?
 
Forgot to say this morning when I spoke to her she said that the hair smelt of ammonia at the ends. I am completely perplexed. There is nothing like that in the keratin treatments. I keep thinking she must be doing something I don't know about.
 
I agree, there is no ammonia in bras. There is nothing that even smells remotely like ammonia in it.
Is she a swimmer? could she have chlorine damage? Is the water heavily chlorinated where you live? If she constantly puts smelly oil gunk on her hair, maybe she is not used to seeing and smelling the hair without it?
Extreme is a superb range and is rec for really damaged hair. Also have a look at real control which is also great for thick, fuzzy, damaged hair. Welcome - Indigo Hair & Beauty
 
Did a client yesterday with La Brasiliana. She has almost waist length hair which she colours herself. Last time she coloured it with Koleston Perfect a quite red colour. 6% on the roots and another developer on the ends that I'm not sure about I am pretty sure it was Capitals equivalent to Wella 1.9%. The girls at Capital recommended the products to her. I'm not that impressed as she is not a hairdresser and considering Capital are always saying they only sell to professionals and there they were selling to a non hairdresser and giving her advice. But I digress.

Yesterday she came for her treatment. I washed it and dried it. I painted on the treatment and dried it and then used the irons. My irons do reach 230 so I am confident on that. Additionally this is not my first Brasiliana treatment and all the others have been brilliant. Anyhow I was struggling as I did it. It didn't go silky soft as I was ironing like previous times. I was not concerned about the condition. I had managed to comb it through after the clarifying shampoo without any conditioner having been applied no problem so condition of the mid lengths and ends did not cause me any concerns visa vie the heat of irons. As I said though I just couldn't seem to achieve that lovely silky feel that I normally do. I carried on through the hair and completed all sections. At the end I said to her that it did feel a bit product laden but if she could persist with it it would be worth it when it was washed in four days time. I know I didn't put too much product on because I was surprised that I only got through just under half a bottle. I also know I put enough on because each section was damp on finishing application on that section

It did look quite shiny when she left but I did say to her that it needed a trim around the bottom as it looked very thin around the bottom and felt a bit tacky.

Well she called me this morning and said it had gone cotton woolly on her and she was unable to comb or brush it through. I asked her to come over straight away and I would have a look at it. Well when she arrived I was shocked. The bottom two inches of her hair looked like sheep's wool. I said I had no alternative but to wash the product out and look and see what it was like wet. This I did. I shampooed it with the after treatment shampoo and used the after treatment conditioner too. Curiously the hair was relatively easy to comb through with the conditioner on and no stretching which is what you might expect with hair that looked that woolly. I explained that by washing it out that the treatment would be gone and that I would refund her in full. I then trimmed off an inch or so off the ends, put on the shine and define serum and blow dried with a large paddle brush no problem. It really just feels a bit hard like most normal tinted hair does but soft once dry. Bearing in mind this hair is almost waist length and tinted I would sort of expect the condition to be pretty compromised. But that was part of the reason for having the treatment.

I am just so disappointed at the outcome of this. Anyone got any idea why this happened? I am sort of thinking that despite appearing to be pretty strong hair that maybe it wasn't up to the heat of the irons. But having said that it is pretty coarse hair and irons not up to full heat would not have sealed the keratin in properly. I feel that I was on a hiding to nothing with this one. But more I am concerned as to how her hair is going to be going forward from this.

I am feeling I am going to stay away from doing this treatment now. Its really put me off. Anyone want to buy half a 125ml bottle of treatment and the two shampoos and conditioners, the two bottles of the define and shine?

Make me an offer. It was the kit from Capital which cost me around £98 I think.

I just know this will eat away at me for days now. Not good, not good at all. I'm usually so careful with everyone's hair. I'm known for not using products and being extra cautious often turning down stuff because I don't want bad conditioned hair on my conscience.

Sorry feeling a bit sorry for myself. All this after many years of hairdressing :cry:

Hi there,

I had exactly the same problem, I was mortified!! The only contact I could find for La Brasiliana was an email in New York, I have read recipeipts on mine so O know they read the emails within a few hours of my cry for help, but it took 1 week to recieve a phone call from someone here. I missed the call and when I returned it, they couldn't ind the guy that called me and I never heard from them again!!

I to refunded the lady her money, which is somthing I've never ever done, but her hair was so bad there was nothing else I could do. She isn't a regular customer she just contacted me for the Brazilian, but I contact her egularly, it was almost 3 months ago I applied the treatment and she says it is still frazzled. I now use Beox, but I am very cautious now, and I do turn the irons down on over processed bits of hair.

So far with Beox I've not had a problem, no call backs for any reason, whereas La Brasiliana, 50% callbacks, 1 because of the frazzledness, and rest didn't take. I am having some free training in December and the frazzled customer is being my model, therfore is having her hair re done for freeand under the watchful eye of someone that should be able to tell me the dos and don'ts on wrecked hair. I had intitially offered her 50% off her next treatment. I'm lucky she was a lovely lady.

Your not alone so don't despair, but it really knocks your confidence when these things happen, especially when you, like myself was nt expecting a problem as no wher have I seen printed does it say beware can seriously knacker your hair!!

:hug:
 
Hi there again. So today she tells me it was the same again on waking. Tangled at the bottom. She has washed it again and covered in oil. She tells me that she was using this oil treatment previously on the lengths and ends "to keep it in good condition". I am wondering if this soaking it in oil all the time (every time I see her its tied up an looking gunky) because it was already knackered and this was masking the true state of the hair. Even so I might still have gone ahead as Keratin blowdry marketing is aimed at clients with knackered hair. The claim being that the most benefit is for clients that have coloured and treated hair.

I am now wondering, if she asks me, what is the best product to help with repair (apart from cutting obviously) and conditioning over the long term. I have read on here that Redken Extreme treatments are good and that was my product range when I owned a salon a few years ago.

Anyone got any views on that?

hiya lanza truma treatment is fab is well i use it on my mum who has a section of hair at the back of her hair that kept snapping off because of the way she sleeps since she has used this it has stopped snapping hope this helps i also use beox and love it as well
 
thanks all. Almost a week gone over and I am still fretting about her hair. I haven't heard from her since Monday so really don't know the situation. As I said before she is not a client per se but just came to me for the braziliana.

Fusion where are you getting your free training. I am beginning to realise that all that rubbish about less is more on the sales blurb is just that - rubbish. If the hair is highly processed and you are prepared to go ahead and do this service then three things to bear in mind,

1. more product to help coat and protect said over processed hair

2. turn the heat down despite the advice that 230 degrees must be achieved at all times

3. if you don't have intimate knowledge of the colour/treatment of the hair DON'T DO IT!

A lesson learnt too late for me.
 
Please use caution if you are still applying it!

Brazilian Keratin Hair Treatment
Brazilian Keratin Hair Treatment

A Popular Hair Straightener Treatment Worth Dying For!!




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The October issue of Allure magazine in US includes an investigation into the Brazilian Keratin hair treatment (BKT for short) also known as "escova progressiva" treatments, which cost as much as $600 and claim to turn dry, frizzy hair into smooth, silky hair for months.

Stylists and clients often wear gas masks or other protective equipment and still may feel the ill effects of this potentially fatal gas.



Many customers and stylists do not know that this Brazilian treatment often contains high concentrations of formaldehyde, a cancer-causing chemical. The magazine found that many of the most popular treatments on the market contain at least ten times more formaldehyde than the .2 percent considered safe by the Cosmetic Ingredient Review Expert Panel. The Food and Drug Administration does not regulate cosmetics but now is looking into the "escova progressiva" treatments.

Some salon owners and stylists believed that their Brazilian keratin treatment solution contained 2 percent and not .2 percent formaldehyde and that is actually approved by the FDA. But that statement is false according to FDA's spokeswoman Veronica Castero.

Most stylists using this treatment said they use safe measure, like wearing latex gloves and working near ventilation hood or windows, but that might not be enough.

Most interesting part is that BKT claim smooth silky hair using Keratin, but it seems keratin has nothing to do with hair straightening and does NOT change the structure of the hair and it's really the formaldehyde that makes the treatment work. According to Allure Magazine "It's doubtful that keratin does anything except provide a good marketing story. It's window dressing."
Many hair salons are started to suspend this kind of treatments and others offering their own alternative to unsafe popular Brazilian Keratin treatment. Yellow Strawberry Salon in Florida has developed its own Caribbean Dream Relaxer treatment. "Caribbean Dream requires no gas masks, no extreme or unorthodox safety equipment and stylists can use this product without worrying about endangering their clients or themselves, confident that this hair straightener treatment will give women the same, sought-after look as escova progressiva," Says the owner Jesse Briggs.


Brazilian Blowout Solution contains formaldehyde - Health Canada Advisory 2010-10-07


Brazilian Blowout Solution Contains Formaldehyde

Notice to the reader: This document has been updated by an advisory dated October 26, 2010.
Advisory
2010-167
October 7, 2010
For immediate release
The issue:

Health Canada is warning Canadians that Brazilian Blowout Solution manufactured by Brazilian Blowout of California has been found to contain unacceptable levels of formaldehyde. The Brazilian Blowout hair smoothing treatment is known to be available at salons across Canada.
Health Canada has received complaints of burning eyes, nose, and throat, breathing difficulties, and one report of hair loss associated with use of the product.
Testing conducted by Health Canada found that the Brazilian Blowout Solution contains 12% formaldehyde. Formaldehyde is permitted in cosmetics at less than 0.2% when used as a preservative. Formaldehyde is a known irritant, sensitizer, and is linked to cancer in humans when inhaled chronically over a long period of time. Health Canada believes that the reactions are being caused by formaldehyde becoming aerosolized during the blow drying and flat ironing stages of the treatment. Any procedure containing formaldehyde above the allowable limits places clients and stylists at increased risk.
Who is affected:

Consumers receiving hair smoothing treatments using Brazilian Blowout, and stylists performing the treatment may experience reactions of burning eyes, nose, throat, and breathing troubles.
What consumers should do


  • Consumers who have had adverse reactions to Brazilian Blowout treatments are advised to seek medical attention. There is no cause for concern for consumers who have used this product and not experienced any reactions.
  • Stylists who use Brazilian Blowout treatments should immediately stop using the affected product.
  • Adverse reactions to cosmetics can be reported to Health Canada using a form available on Health Canada's website: www.healthcanada.gc.ca/reportaproduct

What Health Canada is doing:

Health Canada is working with the exclusive Canadian distributor to address concerns regarding Brazilian Blowout Solution and to stop distribution of this product to salons in Canada. Health Canada is also informing consumers of the risk associated with this product.
Products recalled/affected:

This advisory is only for the Brazilian Blowout Solution at this time, since it is known to contain formaldehyde. Other similar "Brazilian" smoothing treatment products, made by Brazilian Blowout are not known to be affected. The affected product is only available in salons.

For more information:

Consumers and health professionals can contact Consumer Product Safety toll free at 1-866-662-0666.
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This is why , when we looked into Offering this service in my salon, we chose the Brocato system, no nasty chemicals, no ventilation needed, w ehave had this now for 4 months and our customers and my staff are loving this, why would people put such harsh chemicals like this on, and for the lady on here who has said that her customers are having reactions etc, GET this OUT your salon NOW.
I for one can personally recommend Brocato and the costs is great for you as a business owner, cost me £199.00 for my starter kit and you get 8 to 10 applications from that, and there after the smooth gel is £119.00 and you get 10 applications from this.
 
The above doesnt apply in the uk as formaldehyde is banned here anyway!!!
 
and still in the product (sourced out of country by the looks of things.)
 
thanks all. Almost a week gone over and I am still fretting about her hair. I haven't heard from her since Monday so really don't know the situation. As I said before she is not a client per se but just came to me for the braziliana.

Fusion where are you getting your free training. I am beginning to realise that all that rubbish about less is more on the sales blurb is just that - rubbish. If the hair is highly processed and you are prepared to go ahead and do this service then three things to bear in mind,

1. more product to help coat and protect said over processed hair

2. turn the heat down despite the advice that 230 degrees must be achieved at all times

3. if you don't have intimate knowledge of the colour/treatment of the hair DON'T DO IT!

A lesson learnt too late for me.
Totally agree on all 3 points, I turn my straightners down to 210c now on a majority of my clients. The free training is from the suppliers of Beox, but you do have to buy a 1 litre bottle of the product which is £195 + VAT, but I will be due a new bottle soon, so that suits me.

My disaster was a client just for the brazilian like yours, she's a lovely lady , so I'm very lucky there, I've reamined in contact her, and she is being my model, so hopefully all will be happy.

If you haven't heard from this lady , maybe give her a call, she might appreciate it, as has been said don't beat yourself up, no hairdresser gets it right everytime, and ones that do just think they do lol!
 
Yes I've had the very same problem except the client had use a home colour two weeks before I did the treatment, now I've been a stylist for near to all my life and I got to say nor for love nor money when I did this treatment the hair felt heavy and very laden I really didn't know what I did wrong so I sent the client home with osmo treatments that she had to use for seven days till I rebooked her in. The conditioning treatment did help her immensely. I went over again in some areas and she was most happy and the hair was perfect
 

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