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I wouldn't worry what others think at all, the answer to your question I believe, is Yes. The ones that have trained the longest are the ones that shout the loudest. We all have our individual reasons for why some trained in less time than others. Individuals will only be as good as their levels allow of retaining the info they are taught. This is the whole debate here. As far as CACI go I was advised not to do the facial electrical course before I had my training with CaCI from both CACI and my college tutor. I'm not a stupid person by any stretch so I took their advice and saved myself £500... but ...I do a lot of my own research, answer my own questions and use common sense and have had some brilliant results from application of CACI. The majority of people reading this will disagree... does this bother me. Not at all. I'm not the one complaining of no customers nor am I competing with the average services prices and today's standards of them. ...

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Hi Virtues,
Can I just ask then, did you not have to do a facial electrical course to get insurance to do Caci facials? There was a thread on here recently that asked about insurance with electrical facials, and the way you have written the above makes it sound as if you didn't, but I thought it was a must, and now I'm not so sure,

Vicki x
 
Is there a snobbery between college trained and non college trained therapists? its a genuine question and no offence meant. I ask because I went into beauty later in life (gawd i sound old) and have four children so couldnt commit to a long college course, needed to start earning and didnt have time to learn things I wasn't going to offer. Anyway, in the last yr or so iv done cnd complete, semi-permanent lash extensions, sienna x spray tans, LVL Lashes, HD Brows and next on the agenda is waxing but what my point is, is that every treatment learned was new to me and I dont have any nvq's or similar but I do have ghd's ;) After waxing im going to look into some kind of anti-aging treatment, not sure what yet? So, do you skin geeks think some kind of skin qualification is better to have before embarking on any kind of anti-aging treatment and if so, why?

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I don't think there is a snobbery at all. I think there are people who are intolerant and people who genuinely want to help, regardless of training. I have done a mixture of short courses, and longer ones and can see the benefit of both. I think there is another thread about training on here, and as always, mixed feelings! I always think there is more than one way to skin a cat, and we have to do what suits us at that time. One of my favourite sayings - walk a mile in these shoes!!!
Vicki x
 
I don't think there is a snobbery at all. I think there are people who are intolerant and people who genuinely want to help, regardless of training. I have done a mixture of short courses, and longer ones and can see the benefit of both. I think there is another thread about training on here, and as always, mixed feelings! I always think there is more than one way to skin a cat, and we have to do what suits us at that time. One of my favourite sayings - walk a mile in these shoes!!!
Vicki x

I'm not too sure Vicki. . I there are a few that are stuck up their own - you know what. ..when it comes to this subject and how long they have been in the industry for. ... and they all know best. It's just how you see it from your own point of view I suppose ..

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Hi Virtues,
Can I just ask then, did you not have to do a facial electrical course to get insurance to do Caci facials? There was a thread on here recently that asked about insurance with electrical facials, and the way you have written the above makes it sound as if you didn't, but I thought it was a must, and now I'm not so sure,

Vicki x

No I didn't have to do electrical facial to get insurance. CACI 'like' you to be NVQ 2 qualified - but never asked to see any certs... however I'm assuming that some insurance criteria will be different to others and probably goes for different services that you offer.

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There's a lady round the corner who offers CACI and has never done any beauty training, apart from the CACI course, and she has BABTAC insurance, so I guess it must be possible.
 
There's a lady round the corner who offers CACI and has never done any beauty training, apart from the CACI course, and she has BABTAC insurance, so I guess it must be possible.


Thanks Martin. I am not lying ha ha ha :):)

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I'm not too sure Vicki. . I there are a few that are stuck up their own - you know what. ..when it comes to this subject and how long they have been in the industry for. ... and they all know best. It's just how you see it from your own point of view I suppose ..

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I've been in the industry 12 years. Not nearly as long as some of the geeks on here. It's not "length of service to beauty" that might make me appear "stuck up my own...", but simply a refusal to accept the slack standards of education that are available.

What really irks me is that when you spend your hard earned money on an expensive piece of equipment, how on earth are you supposed to make your money back when you can't even do a basic cleanse, don't understand electrical basics (eg frequency/waveforms), and you don't know why moisturiser is necessary?! And I've seen this myself, time and time again!

By going for brand specific training before learning the basics and getting a basic qualification, surely you're limiting your own chances of success? Yes you may know which button to press, and which moves to do with the electrodes, and which intensity to have the machine on,...but do you have that essential experience necessary to enable you to give a relaxing, memorable and enjoyable experience to the client? No. Do you really know how to tailor the treatment to the client in front of you? No. Will you be working safely, and offering treatment within the limitations of the equipment you have bought? Do you have an in depth knowledge of the contraindications, contra-actions and what can go wrong?? Probably not!

Before I get shot down in flames, My argument in this case is NOT about the short course qualifications, I know they fit in better with some peoples lives and commitments, and I think if you choose a good course and are willing to learn, then they can teach you enough. If you have made the effort to do these, then you have a QUALIFICATION, given at a certain level, which has met standards on the QCF. You formally have a certain amount of knowledge and have covered topics specific and in depth enough to warrant being insured to use ANY BRAND of electrical equipment. This surely is a good thing? You have your choice of using any brand you choose, and your qualification will never expire.

My argument is about going for brand specific training for an advanced treatment involving facial electricals without getting any background knowledge of the subject first. This, in my humble opinion, is irresponsible from the point of view of both the therapist trying to get a shortcut route into the industry, and also of the company allowing this huge dip in standards.

Also, by going this route, if you choose to change brand and replace your machine with something else, for whatever reason, your brand specific certificate isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's specific to the machine you purchased, and if you go with another brand later down the line, you will not be insurable. Yes you may be able to do someone else's brand specific training, but you're STILL not QUALIFIED!!!!

Bring on HABIAs industry regulations, and the industry will slowly start turfing out those who simply can't be bothered in investing properly in themselves and the longevity of their careers.
 
I'm sorry, am I the only geek who thinks this is absolutely disgusting behaviour on the part of the brand??? How on earth can they justify taking thousands of pounds for equipment from "therapists" who aren't even qualified??!!! Ok their training might be great but it's no substitute for spending 2+ years learning and practising on all types of people! It just smacks of being all about the money to me, sorry to get on my soap box but the low morals of some brands like this are bringing down the standards of the entire industry and I'm sick of it!!! Get proper training or get out of the industry!!!!! Ggrrrrrr!!!!!!!

Nope am 100% with you on this.
I have not been in the industry as long as you but certainly share the same opinion with regards to standards.
I don't feel this is a question of snobbery or of those in it the longest shouting the loudest, there are plenty of us who have taken various different routes to obtain our qualifications with different levels of training/specialisation and who have been in the industry for different lengths of time to disprove that theory.
It is frustrating and makes a mockery of the industry that someone can go on a few day course, get a machine and describe themselves as skin specialists or therapists, it is misleading and to the average client why shouldn't they believe them?
I completely agree, want to offer professional treatments? Go and qualify as a professional then. It is the fault of the companies prepared to sell themselves out first and foremost along with the insurance companies who will provide the possibility of allowing unqualified people to carry out professional treatments on paying clients.
 
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Is there a snobbery between college trained and non college trained therapists? its a genuine question and no offence meant. I ask because I went into beauty later in life (gawd i sound old) and have four children so couldnt commit to a long college course, needed to start earning and didnt have time to learn things I wasn't going to offer. Anyway, in the last yr or so iv done cnd complete, semi-permanent lash extensions, sienna x spray tans, LVL Lashes, HD Brows and next on the agenda is waxing but what my point is, is that every treatment learned was new to me and I dont have any nvq's or similar but I do have ghd's ;) After waxing im going to look into some kind of anti-aging treatment, not sure what yet? So, do you skin geeks think some kind of skin qualification is better to have before embarking on any kind of anti-aging treatment and if so, why?

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I'm hoping you didn't mean my comment was coming across as snobbery. I never meant it too :(
As I am the same as you have gone into beauty later on in life. I have 2 small children so have been unable to commit to full time college course. All the course I have done have been part time. The ITEC course I am doing next year is also part time 1 day a week. I am doing an ITEC in facials, eye treatments, make up and waxing as these are the treatments I have no knowledge in and feel the best way for me to understand the A+P and contra-indications is to learn from scratch. x


Leely x
 
Nope am 100% with you on this.
I have not been in the industry as long as you but certainly share the same opinion with regards to standards.
I don't feel this is a question of snobbery or of those in it the longest shouting the loudest, there are plenty of us who have taken various different routes to obtain our qualifications with different levels of training/specialisation and who have been in the industry for different lengths of time to disprove that theory.
It is frustrating and makes a mockery of the industry that someone can go on a few day course, get a machine and describe themselves as skin specialists or therapists, it is misleading and to the average client why shouldn't they believe them?
I completely agree, want to offer professional treatments? Go and qualify as a professional then. It is the fault of the companies prepared to sell themselves out first and foremost along with the insurance companies who will provide the possibility of allowing unqualified people to carry out professional treatments on paying clients.

Nice to see someone talking sense! Professionals will prevail in the long run.
 
I've been in the industry 12 years. Not nearly as long as some of the geeks on here. It's not "length of service to beauty" that might make me appear "stuck up my own...", but simply a refusal to accept the slack standards of education that are available.

What really irks me is that when you spend your hard earned money on an expensive piece of equipment, how on earth are you supposed to make your money back when you can't even do a basic cleanse, don't understand electrical basics (eg frequency/waveforms), and you don't know why moisturiser is necessary?! And I've seen this myself, time and time again!

By going for brand specific training before learning the basics and getting a basic qualification, surely you're limiting your own chances of success? Yes you may know which button to press, and which moves to do with the electrodes, and which intensity to have the machine on,...but do you have that essential experience necessary to enable you to give a relaxing, memorable and enjoyable experience to the client? No. Do you really know how to tailor the treatment to the client in front of you? No. Will you be working safely, and offering treatment within the limitations of the equipment you have bought? Do you have an in depth knowledge of the contraindications, contra-actions and what can go wrong?? Probably not!

Before I get shot down in flames, My argument in this case is NOT about the short course qualifications, I know they fit in better with some peoples lives and commitments, and I think if you choose a good course and are willing to learn, then they can teach you enough. If you have made the effort to do these, then you have a QUALIFICATION, given at a certain level, which has met standards on the QCF. You formally have a certain amount of knowledge and have covered topics specific and in depth enough to warrant being insured to use ANY BRAND of electrical equipment. This surely is a good thing? You have your choice of using any brand you choose, and your qualification will never expire.

My argument is about going for brand specific training for an advanced treatment involving facial electricals without getting any background knowledge of the subject first. This, in my humble opinion, is irresponsible from the point of view of both the therapist trying to get a shortcut route into the industry, and also of the company allowing this huge dip in standards.

Also, by going this route, if you choose to change brand and replace your machine with something else, for whatever reason, your brand specific certificate isn't worth the paper it's written on. It's specific to the machine you purchased, and if you go with another brand later down the line, you will not be insurable. Yes you may be able to do someone else's brand specific training, but you're STILL not QUALIFIED!!!!

Bring on HABIAs industry regulations, and the industry will slowly start turfing out those who simply can't be bothered in investing properly in themselves and the longevity of their careers.

You argue away - it makes no difference to me. I know exactly what waveform CACI use and patent, how to do a cleanse and tone and provide outstanding relaxing treatments. Personally I'm not interested in changing brand. CACI are thorough with contra indications and actions and I achieve outstanding results on clients. You wish to continue to tell me I'm not qualified then please carry on....it will fall on deaf ears here. I take no interest in what anyone in here thinks of me as a professional or not...I probably have more qualifications than most people on here. ... I can be as snobby as the rest!

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I see it a lot and dont actually get why :-/

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I am thinking to purchase a second hand Caci machine will they still allow me to do the training if I didn’t buy it directly from them ?
 
I am thinking to purchase a second hand Caci machine will they still allow me to do the training if I didn’t buy it directly from them ?
Yes they do but be aware their training is about £250 per day and takes around 4 days.

Vicki
 

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