Can you get low odour acrylic?

[spn01]

brilliantly said Ruth.:hug:
Being informed with the facts is soooo important in this industry

Hey lets not kick a gift horse in the mouth, we are all meant to be professionals, if you wish to banter and it is not in the best interest, productive and serves well to the other geeks a private message would be more appropriate.

I appreciate all the fabulous threads and this site is soooo uplifting, leaving you with a rekindled passion and enthusiasm. Everyday I learn something new.

 

[user 25446]

Here's a link to an article written by Doug Schoon, see the section "Playing it Safe":

Simple Product Chemistry

Have a great weekend all. We actually have 20 degrees and sun in Sweden.

Whooowwweeeeeeewhoooo :lol:

 

[Bagpuss]

I like this bit...

Never judge product safety by odour

What is the most dangerous misconception about chemicals in the salon industry…? many believe that they can tell how safe or dangerous a chemical is simply by its odour. Wrong ! A chemicals smell has absolutely nothing to do with its safety. Some of the most dangerous substances known have very sweet, pleasant fragrances.

So in my simple mind that is saying...If there was a car that was invisable..doesnt mean it wont run you over...:lol:

 

[nailzoo]

As far as I'm aware... low odour monomer is higher up on the sensitivity ladder then 'regular' monomer, therefore, if you're an allergy prone person or who have allergy prone clients I would suggest using a 'regular' monomer and working 'smartly' with it rather than changing to a low odour product and increasing the chances of allergies... hope I'm making sense!

Here, here, ...... many carry on about the smell, when less "smelly" products are more harmful ..... but many only care about "sales", rather that "safety".

You are much better to work safely (taking all things into account).

Just because a product doesn't smell as much doesn't mean it is safer (it's merely the "smell").

Even the product I use is low odor (but I am also aware of the extra complications this can cause).

 

[mely-bely]

Really?

You say there are some wonderful odourless systems on the market today ... but you fail to say why any of them are wonderful and only highlight the negative things that you don't like about them. So why are they so wonderful?

What feature or benefit do thay have over traditional L&P's that makes them so wonderful other than the fact that they have less odour (which most all of us put up with to a greater or lesser degree depending how well we follow manufacturer's guidelines).

Perming solution stinks ... so? That is what we put up with if we want a perm. Modern acid perms stink even more ... so? That's what we put up with if we want a perm.

Its about choice, Gigi

I highlighted the things I don't like about it because I don't like to use it! My Bad! That's a choice for me - just because I don't use them doesn't mean they aren't a great products. There are so many great products out there that I don't use - CND, YoungNails, Akzentz - just to name a few.

You are right however, I should have listed the good things about this product.

Pros: Slower cure time allowing for more time to work (this can also be a con)
Minimal vapour smell for those with low tolerance to odor, or for those who don't like traditional vapour smell
Looks exactly the same as traditional l&p when finished

Cons: It has an inhibition layer which must be filed off or appropriate sealant used to harden this layer
Vapour is still in the air so techs could be less diligent with safety as they work
Because of the inhibition layer you are more likely to suffer from overexposure as this is uncured product

It is a great alternative for those who choose not to work with the traditional system as long as they are diligent with their safety and know the product - and cannot, in my opinion, be compared to a perm. Most perms have a strong odor, you have no choice - with l&p you have a choice.

I personally use traditional because I like the way it sets up and because I like the smell.

Thanks for the challenge Gigi - I really must get better at explaining my position!

 

[geeg]

I wasn't challenging .. I was asking, a perfectly reasonable question ... What is so wonderful about these low odour systems (for as we know no system is actually odour free or odourless)? So far, nothing other than it is another choice and has a lower odour and a slightly longer working time (I've always been an advocate of choices). I have used low odour systems for a good long time ... I disagree that they look as beautiful as traditional L&P but I suppose that is a matter of opinion and it is mine.

I found that the low odour systems I used in fact yellowed quickly and did not have the staying power of L&P PLUS the fact that I lost a few clients who did not tolerate the product and in fact became sensitive to it after a few years despite the fact that I did everything to ensure that product did not touch the skin. I was fully aware and took great care.

I have never had a client become allergic to L&P ever or gel for that matter.

When using low odour systems (which I did in the salon for nearly 3 years) I found the palms of my hands always feeling 'hot' and a bit tingly from the dust on the files and buffers. I washed my hands in soap and water frequently and never became allergic ... I ditched the product ... wasn't worth the risk frankly and I knew what I was doing with it. I even cured the nails in lukewarm water so that there was no inhibition layer to roll off (another choice for you technicians who use it). No oxygen on the surface = no inhibition layer.

No way are low odour products safer to use than anything else or even necessarily a better choice whether or not you suffer from asthma. In fact quite the reverse ... you have to take exceptional care when using them.

 

[user 25446]

Can we discuss the merits or otherwise of soak-off gels now please? :twisted:
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[geeg]

Can we discuss the merits or otherwise of soak-off gels now please? :twisted:
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OMG, Bob, please don't. I wouldn't dare to reply or, God forbid, ask a perfectly reasonable question or I might be accused of challenging someone!!! :green:
The new term (don't you know) for asking a question or telling it how it is, is now 'challenging'.

 

[Snuggles]

so does anyone recommend the opi odourless range... i am having to change from EZ Flow to that for tha salon i work in..

i am going on the training but i am hoping that the result i achieve with EZ Flow wont change as i have lots of happy clients and dont want to loose them.

 

[geeg]

so does anyone recommend the opi odourless range... i am having to change from EZ Flow to that for tha salon i work in..

i am going on the training but i am hoping that the result i achieve with EZ Flow wont change as i have lots of happy clients and dont want to loose them.

Well clients do not like change unless it is for the better. OPI is a well respected brand and I'm sure that their low odour L&P is as good if not better than any out there if you have to use that system. It will be subject to all the advice given above. Only Time will tell if your clients and you like it or not.

 

[mely-bely]

I wasn't challenging .. I was asking, a perfectly reasonable question ... What is so wonderful about these low odour systems (for as we know no system is actually odour free or odourless)? So far, nothing other than it is another choice and has a lower odour and a slightly longer working time (I've always been an advocate of choices). I have used low odour systems for a good long time ... I disagree that they look as beautiful as traditional L&P but I suppose that is a matter of opinion and it is mine.

I found that the low odour systems I used in fact yellowed quickly and did not have the staying power of L&P PLUS the fact that I lost a few clients who did not tolerate the product and in fact became sensitive to it after a few years despite the fact that I did everything to ensure that product did not touch the skin. I was fully aware and took great care.

I have never had a client become allergic to L&P ever or gel for that matter.

When using low odour systems (which I did in the salon for nearly 3 years) I found the palms of my hands always feeling 'hot' and a bit tingly from the dust on the files and buffers. I washed my hands in soap and water frequently and never became allergic ... I ditched the product ... wasn't worth the risk frankly and I knew what I was doing with it. I even cured the nails in lukewarm water so that there was no inhibition layer to roll off (another choice for you technicians who use it). No oxygen on the surface = no inhibition layer.

No way are low odour products safer to use than anything else or even necessarily a better choice whether or not you suffer from asthma. In fact quite the reverse ... you have to take exceptional care when using them.

What I meant about the challenge, Gigi, was that you challenged my thinking and I like that. What good is offering an opinion if you don't have anything to back it up? I appreciate that about you - when I said challenge I did not mean it with a negative connotation - so I am sorry if it came across that way!

 

[geeg]

What I meant about the challenge, Gigi, was that you challenged my thinking and I like that. What good is offering an opinion if you don't have anything to back it up? I appreciate that about you - when I said challenge I did not mean it with a negative connotation - so I am sorry if it came across that way!

Well I've been told I'm challenging lately :lol: and was having a bit of fun with it really. When you used the word again I thought ... OH no!!

I'm not the least offended and didn't really think you were being negative. I do agree though that when peeps make statements it is so much better if they back it up with reason.

I'm actually a really happy person who does not seek confrontation at all .. BUT I'll hold my end up when I have to or if someone is talking twaddle!! :green: (Not that you were .. not at all. :hug

 

[elliebabes33]

You know what? Any product can be low odour if you use it correctly.

There are plenty of posts on the site to help you to minimise odour.

I think allot of it is in the mind as even odour fee prodcts and gels have vapours (even if they have no smell they are still there).

There is no reason at all for a product VAPOUR to trigger an asthma attack. NONE. If anything sets it off it would be the dust not the vapours. Filing creates dust. UNDERSTAND YOUR PRODUCTS.

Learn to minimize the dust by creating the finished nail with your brush instead of your file. And maybe follow manufacturer's guidelines for once and install correct ventilation as a primary objective instead of spending your money on a load of useless products or pretty curtains.

I'm sorry but I totally disagree with you. As an Honorary Geek I thought you would give a better reply than that. Strong odours DO trigger asthma and respiratory problems because they emit vapours into the air. I have a quote from an air toxics website (www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/methylme.html)regarding Methyl Methacrylate which is the 'lethal' ingredient in acrlic liquid: It says it "causes chest tightness, coughing, wheezing and reduced peak flow, headaches, lethargy, light headedness, unusual sensations in arms and legs". This product has been BANNED in the USA. Why not in the UK? I have been fine until doing acrylic nails. I was wearing a mask when doing the nails so it was definitely not the dust. I am not usually a moaner but I am concerned that it can adversely affect somebodys health like that. I am sorry to seem rude but you are not a doctor and your replies are sarcastic and I dont wish to purchase 'pretty curtains' which I do not know why this was brought into the conversation when I actually asked about acrylic odours! Thank you to all the ladies who replied to my post, your information is useful! I am going to have to stay away from acrylic unfortunately as I know that this is what is causing the problem as I am a non smoker for a start, and so are my family and friends!

 

[Vetty]

Methyl Methacrylate which is the 'lethal' ingredient in acrlic liquid: It says it "causes chest tightness, coughing, wheezing and reduced peak flow, headaches, lethargy, light headedness, unusual sensations in arms and legs". This product has been BANNED in the USA. Why not in the UK?

MMA is not in any of the liquids from the major manufacturers (CND/EzFlow/NSI/Young Nails/OPI etc) so that will not be the ingredient causing your asthma. It tends to be in low grade, cheap liquids.

hth's

 

[spn01]

[ I have a quote from an air toxics website (www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/methylme.html)regarding Methyl Methacrylate which is the 'lethal' ingredient in acrlic liquid:
I am sorry to seem rude but you are not a doctor and your replies are sarcastic and I dont wish to purchase 'pretty curtains' which I do not know why this was brought into the conversation when I actually asked about acrylic odours!




MMA is not banned in NZ either, however well educated nail technicians use quality products from reputable nail companies and are fully aware of the differences between MMA and EMA. A well educated nail technician will also be taught how to control vapors, minimise dust and work safely.

IMO Gigi's replies are "not" sarcastic, maybe Gigi is not a "doctor", however Gigi has dedicated many years to the Nail Technology industry and aligned herself with and learnt from those with great knowledge and proven science.

Gigi had an extremely valid point about "the curtains". As Nail Tech's doing enhancements it is recommended that we work in a well ventilated environment - of which the best method of ventilation is "extraction ventilation". You asked about acrylic odours - Gigi explained that an investment in "extraction ventilation" would help reduce the vapors and dust. IMO the curtains were used as an example of the many nail tech's who concentrate so much on making their salon pretty that they do not invest in the basic fundamental equipment required for a safe salon.

Education is the key to becoming knowledgable, a lack of knowledge and understanding creates fear. A fear of chemicals is called "chemophobia".
Be educated and you will be a happy and healthy Nail Tech:hug::hug::hug:

 

[yeahyeah]

i'll try not offer my opinion on any of the previous posts on this thread lol… i'll just answer the original question to the best of my knowledge (that is all the question asker wanted i assume). i agree that when used properly you can minimizre and control all salon odors but i realize some people are very sensitive to smells. i use nsi spa liquid at home when i do my own nails and i dont have any problem with the product yellowing or breaking down over time, infact ive done one hand with spa liquid and one hand with attraction snd after 2 weeks still couldnt tell a difference . the consistency is a bit different than "traditional" monomer so i opt not to use the odorless on my clients, although at home the lack of smell trumps ease of use for me. i guess it really comes down to personal preference. if youre interested i would definitely try an odorless or low odor liquid and then make your decision based on what works for you. id also just like to add, a lot of techs say the biggest drawbak to odorless systems is the tackylayer, yet the tacky layer never seems to be an issue when discussing gel products, why is it a problem with odorless l&p? again, let it come down to what works for you, weigh the pros and cons as YOU see them. ive tried several odorless products recently so if you have any questions feel free to email me! good luck
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oops! id like to clarify one part of my post; when i said lack of smell trumps ease of use for me, i dont necessarily mean that odorless products are more difficult to use thsn tradiional systems, they are just different and i am more comfortable using traditional products therefore they are "easier" for me

 

[nailtechtrish]

I dont know about low odor but OPI does clarite which is odorless and ONS (odessey nail systems) does a oderless as well.

hope this helps.