Colour reaction on new mother? Baby 6 wks old

[Penners]

surely when you mix two chemical i.e. peroxide + colour it becomes in itself a different chemical and this is what you test the client with because thats what you'll be putting on their head.
Also, if you're only dying your clients hair say a level 9 why would you expose them to the chemicals in a level 2 tint? they may be allergic to the chemicals in the dark colour but not the light and then you'll have lost a customer?
It is very hard for us mobiles but really think how hard it'll be if someone sue's you - the worlds full of 'grabbers' now who'll get what they can. I was posting a package that i'd stapled up the other day and the postmaster said you'd better cover those staples with sellotape, if a postman catches his finger on them he can sue you!!
check with your insurance and follow their advice.

 

[candis]

Thankyou I will do that this morning, does Leave me wondering if being mobile is worthwhile lol I most defiantly need a price increase haha!

 

[Penners]

I don't think colouring is a big money spinner for mobiles, you have to spend hours there, no-one to pass to you or wash it off ( allowing you to do other customers in between) all the stuff you have to cart with you etc.etc. give me a day of haircuts and all I need is my scissors/comb and my hands!!:lol: but whatever we're doing remember - we can book an afternoon off when we want, spend any spare time in the garden, go for coffee with friends, remember what its like working in a salon watching everyone else outside enjoying the sunshine! who needs money!!

 

[Simba44]

Ok that's great help, what if the client was allergic to the peroxide rather than the tint itself? We were always taught to mix tint and peroxide and dab behind the ear, thus testing for both ?? Is that not the case? Xx

The patch tests for ppd only and there's no ppd in peroxide, it's the colour that has the ppd in it and the peroxide activates the ppd when mixed, like a key opening a door

 

[candis]

Yes I understand what u mean ,,,, I think lol,,,, but is it not possible for a client to be allergic to peroxide itself? Is insurance still valid if u went ahead and coloured as patch test came up ok but when it was done they reacted to peroxide ? X

 

[craigkeane]

Yes I understand what u mean ,,,, I think lol,,,, but is it not possible for a client to be allergic to peroxide itself? Is insurance still valid if u went ahead and coloured as patch test came up ok but when it was done they reacted to peroxide ? X

I always do the patch tests with peroxide


Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk

 

[candis]

I always do the patch tests with peroxide


Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk

So Craig going back to the patches u post out they test for eveything required to cover your self basically, where do u get yours from? X

 

[Fuzion]

surely when you mix two chemical i.e. peroxide + colour it becomes in itself a different chemical and this is what you test the client with because thats what you'll be putting on their head.
Also, if you're only dying your clients hair say a level 9 why would you expose them to the chemicals in a level 2 tint? they may be allergic to the chemicals in the dark colour but not the light and then you'll have lost a customer?
It is very hard for us mobiles but really think how hard it'll be if someone sue's you - the worlds full of 'grabbers' now who'll get what they can. I was posting a package that i'd stapled up the other day and the postmaster said you'd better cover those staples with sellotape, if a postman catches his finger on them he can sue you!!
check with your insurance and follow their advice.

Majirel and some others actually state not to mix with peroxide for patch test as they suggest leaving on skin 24-48 hrs, other brands don't give instructions on skin testing their products. I always skin test with the actual colour that I will be using on my client, if no reaction.

I skin tested a client a few years ago with tint mixed with peroxide and also neat, applied it behind her ear and on her forearm, no reaction, repeated test 2 days later, as she is allergic to everything, no reaction, then foiled her hair, guess what? She reacted, now what was the odds on that happening?

 

[Simba44]

When trying to find out about my allergy I was disappointed at the amount of information in layman’s language that I could find, so this page is written in an effort to give you my knowledge and experience to date. What my Dermatology department told me
If you are allergic to PARA-PHENYLENEDIAMINE (PPD) and should avoid the following:
Black dyes, including dark hair dyes and toners for bleached hair
Some furs and textiles dyed with dyes containing PPD.
People sensitive to PPD can also be sensitive to the following:
Other dyes in textiles, stocking, leather, hair dyes (in particular paratoluene diamine)
Anti-sunburn agents
Aniline dyes
Local anaesthetics (lignocaine and xylocaine are safe)
Sulphonamides (medicament)
The dye in orange peel – can eat oranges but get someone else to peel them
Black heavy duty rubbers
Printing inks eg during photocopy & lithographing
Photographic chemicals
There may be a cross reaction with some local anaesthetics or sulphonamides (an antibiotic)
Print from newspapers and printer ink .


There are quite a few day to day things on this list aren’t there? Suddenly your leather jacket and the newsprint coming off on your hands when you read the daily paper can be a potential worry.

What I have discovered in the last few years is that in my personal case caution is needed in handling some things otherwise I get blisters and hives. The biggest danger to me is the orange peel as when the allergy is triggered by ingesting something then that is when a trip to the hospital is called for. The good news is that I have learnt what to be careful of and haven’t had a reaction for over 18 months now.



Tips for avoiding triggering the allergic reaction

Just because you are allergic to PPD does not mean you have to avoid everything on the list above. Bearing that in mind, here are my simple tips, in no particular order that may help you:

· Be careful of sauces if orange peel can trigger your allergy. If it comes out of a bottle then check it for orange and if in doubt avoid it. If you are in a restaurant then do ask (see list below on how to ask if abroad) as having to call an ambulance to the restaurant is not good for them or you. Quite a few barbeque sauces and sweet & sour sauces have orange in them so take care at the Chinese takeaway or neighbours BBQ as well.

· Orange peel is found in obvious things like marmalade, but watch out for Christmas cakes, Christmas puddings and some rich fruit cakes that use mixed peel in their making.

· Careful of Chicken Piri Piri, that has orange peel in it.

· Chocolate orange has caught me out once. I thought the chocolate at the end of the meal in a restaurant was the usual after dinner mint in a gold wrapper…it wasn’t, it was chocolate orange and I was in hospital within the hour.

· Sadly some drinks also contain orange peel like Hoegaarden Belgium beer.

· Wear gloves when changing car tyres, windscreen wiper blades. I find I also have to be careful with the petrol pump hoses.

· Wear gloves in the gym and when cycling as handlebar grips tend to be black rubber.

· Plastic wiring (especially black) like that on telephone cords can make me sensitive. I cover them with sellotape if I can’t change them or wear cotton gloves.

· Notice that a lot of household cleaners now contain orange oil. If you go to a house and feel your hands start to prickle it’s worth asking if they are using polish or cleaners with orange and if so wash your hands and either wear gloves or remove yourself as soon as you can and don’t touch surfaces if you can avoid it.

· Fruit teas. Again some are obvious, some aren’t. My wife for instance drinks a liquorice tea which has orange peel in it….we have labelled the box and I avoid it like the plague.

· Watch out for loose olives. Some come with bits of orange peel.

 

[Rapunzelxx]

Just out of interest.. What happens if the worst happened and someone did sue? Would we not be allowed to trade anymore?
Craig I wouldn't risk doing the colour hun, it sounds like a reaction to me even if it's only a mild one xx
I generally fit my patch test in with my Colour Consulations as I am mobile I buy most colours in as I need them so I find this works really well! But then again I don't travel out of the immediate locallity so I can understand the geeks who travel miles being reluctant! Xxx

 

[-sophisticutz-]

Maybe try a skin test with a semi? These are less likely to provoke a reaction and you'll get better hold with a red semi than permanent anyway.

I have found clients that are sensitive are okay with the Essensity range by Schwartzkopf. It's permanent colour that is gentle. Not great on grey coverage, though.

Or just try another range completely. She may just be incompatible with the brand you used.

 

[stephanie_87]

This is what I have been told time and time again about skin tests.

Skin tests are done without peroxide behind the ear on a base 3 or lower. The darker bases contain the most amount of PPD's which is what people react to, not peroxide! You can't skin test with a semi permanant if they have reacted to a permanent they still contain PPD's and this is very risky. They should be carried out 48 hours prior to any colour sevice and should be done behind the ear. A small amount of neat tint should be applied and left to dry slightly and then a second amount of neat tint should be applied. No plasters should be used as these can cause people to react and you wouldn't know what had caused the reaction. They should be carried out every 6 months.

Also colour start patches do not stand up in court, they are not compliying with manufacturers instructions plus certain people can react to the transfer rather than the PPD and again you don't know which one caused the reaction.

Also you should always be able to proove you did a skin test, there is many forms of documents that do stand up in court that you would sign and date and the client would sign and date, 1 copy for you and 1 copy for them. Your copy is then stapled to their record card for your reference.

I have been on so many colour courses and this is drummed into me every single time, skin tests are so so important. I hope this helps.

 

[moobar]

Hi all just wanted to add my 2 pence worth after reading all your comments..

I did a patch test on a client a cpl of months ago and she rang me up after a cpl of days and said since having it done (behind the ear) that she had a really itchy scalp but no redness swelling etc etc. I advised her to come back into the salon and we would re test as I wasn't happy to go ahead with the colour after what she had said, I also said It would only mean putting the colour off for a few more days just to make sure all was well, she wasn't happy about it but after I explained she would only have to wait another week just to be on the safe hand she came round. Anyway in the mean time the itchy scalp went. I kept questioning my client to see if she had changed anything in her diet, used a dif shampoo etc etc the list was endless. Eventually I found out she had tried a new heath food bar, I asked her to have another and withing the hr the itchy scalp was back. I did do the re test to make sure but all was well and she got her colour done My client tried this health bar again and yes the itch was back.
Not everyone remenbers everything they have eaten or drank all of the time as this proves. It took a lot of digging from me over a number of days to find this out.

 

[Simba44]

Some hairsprays, nail polish and some other cosmetics besides a few shampoos have ppd in them. Think it's a mine field and you could pick up a newspaper tomorrow and not realise that the ink print has masses of ppd in the ink but we don't see us who have or haven't had skin tests blowing up like blueberries on the sofa. I hate to say this but I do know somebody who is meant to be highly allergic to ppd but she still delivers her local paper. Think I may inform her Wednesday

 

[Tillie]

Well I've learned something new! I thought you only had to patch test the 1st time you coloured their hair I didn't realise it was every time! Is this practical what if they don't pop in the salon before every appointment?
Where do you get the tests you post to people and will they bother to do it?

How's everyone else coping with this?

 

[Simba44]

Well I've learned something new! I thought you only had to patch test the 1st time you coloured their hair I didn't realise it was every time! Is this practical what if they don't pop in the salon before every appointment?
Where do you get the tests you post to people and will they bother to do it?

How's everyone else coping with this?

Yes you have to do it every-time. It only takes your client to catch a cold or have thyroid problem it can change the whole biochemical immunology in the blood you can react even if you've used the same colour for 20 years makes no odds

 

[craigkeane]

Well I've learned something new! I thought you only had to patch test the 1st time you coloured their hair I didn't realise it was every time! Is this practical what if they don't pop in the salon before every appointment?
Where do you get the tests you post to people and will they bother to do it?

How's everyone else coping with this?

Take it your not a hairdresser?! Lol

Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk