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[Niklau]

Need advice please got a job in a new salon and everything i did wasnt how they do it ,i put tint on then foil after they couldnt believe it:cry:and when i said 20 vol they said what do you mean 6%oh tell me am i that out of touch.They dont want me using straightners to much either, does it matter as long as you colour and get the same results.

 

[carlalou]

ha cheek of it! cor ive worked in a few salons and so many stylists do things differently, and thats fine u know? at the end of the day its u and the client who u want to please because if u think about it if they come back thats all that matters, dothings your way and see how u get on then wen u feel ready u can try their techniques if u like! its always nice to learn new things but dont be forced before your ready xxx:lol:

 

[kimi1101]

Be confident in yourself. You got the job so u can't be that bad!!!

 

[Niklau]

awwww thanks:smack:

 

[lauren89]

Personally I think they are out of touch to think that everyone does the same!

Your technique and preferences are individual to you, its why your clients love the way you do their hair and others prefer other people to do their hair.

You pick up little tip and tricks of working with other people, but I don't think it should be forced upon you.

Don't let it get you down hun.

 

[Niklau]

Awww thanks lauren good advice:lol:

 

[NeelieGel]

don't want you to use straighteners too much!!!

That is a bit dictatorial isn't it. Well if you did a trade test and got the job, and you have clients to take there and your clients are leaving happy and you are a qualified stylist why on earth do they want to change what you do? If you feel your client's hair looks more "finished" by using the straighteners say so and do so. The hair is your creation not someone else's.

I reckon that if people see someone doing something differently from the way they do it they might just feel a bit threatened by someone that might just know a better or different but just as effective way.

You crack on. If you didn't know what you are doing you wouldn't have got the job. I would add that if they don't know that 6% is 20Vol they've got a bit of a knowledge gap it seems to me. When I started it was all 20,40 or 60 vol. When I returned I got a bit of surprise to see the 6,9 and 12% on the shelves but didn't expect to be criticised for calling it 20 vol etc. Oh the arrogance of some people.

I hate it when people younger and less experienced assume the knowledge high ground. A complete lack of respect for those that have been around longer and learnt more and are still willing to learn. Mind you I was probably the same at 19!

I would add that I get my hair cut at Sassoons in South Moulton St in Central London by a Creative Director and she uses the straighteners on my just about a bit wavy hair every time to give it that truly finished look so what do they know huh?!!!
Pah! got that off my chest.

 

[magentahair]

oh whatever:lick:!!!!! as long as you and your clients are happy who cares????? also 20 vol/6% talk about splitting hairs, pardon the pun!!!:lol: sounds like they need to get over themselves! carry on with what u are doing, take no notice and be happy!:hug:

 

[Niklau]

Aww thanks so much love this site so much x

 

[Buttercup Honey]

Good luck in your new job hun, you got some great advice from the bunch of lovely people here, they are so right some days its 20 vol others its 6% for me. Straightens are fab for finishing off some clients, and as has been said already, its between you and your client:hug:

 

[Simba44]

Oh bless ya, vol or % who gives two hoots eh, I teach my students both ways for more maths than anything to simplify but your gonna find this nitpicking sometimes. Regards to the straighteners and I'm probably gonna cause a massive outcry now. When I was taught to blow-dry I was taught to dry within small sections like yourselves and we had to get that hair dead smooth without the use of these wonderful finishing tools. My parents salon in kensington don't use straighteners unless the client requests them and I got to say they do know how to utilities fab smoothing products and do a great blow-dry. I was using ghd's alot within my parents salon until one day my mum came up to me and threw em in the bin, I was gutted and it caused a family war. It wasn't till they sat me down and explained that though these tools have a big place in the world of hair it didn't have a place within there salon as I was starting to loose the art of a high quality professional blow-dry and yes geeks I argued the point. It's not until I've become a tutor though I think my parents have a valid point, what on earth did we do before straightners? I do make sure though I don't introduce straighteners in the college until the students are capable of doing a fantastic smooth sleek blow-dry and I think I must be the tutor from hell lol. Now I even have some teens saying they've abandoned the straighteners so I think give it a couple of years see if these golden tools of the hair world are still going to be used as much within the salons.

 

[Tess Warwick]

There's always more than one way to skin a cat ... and no way is the wrong way. I truly believe that there is no right way or wrong way in this trade.

When I started in hairdressing in the mid-70s we used vols. Now we use percentages. Doesn't matter what you call it, 20 vol, 6 percent - it's the same product. We need it, we use it, our clients get the benefit. You know what each is ... do the kids know? That gives you the higher ground, because you do know...

There is a horrible amount of snobbery in our trade, particularly about training. Apprenticeships? College? Full time college? Ah , come on - we're all concerned about giving our clients The Best ( at least I hope we are ...). Does it matter what we call it and how we get there?
I abhor the lack of individuality that occurs in our trade. In my town we have a very well known school and academy. Yes they churn out very competent hairdressers but you can tell where they trained. They stand the same, work the same, etc. Personally, I'd rather have someone who is encouiraged to explore their individuality, their flair and their creativeness. ...
Stick it out, girl. Be who you want to be, not what a crowd of girls think you ought to be ...

... and sorry for the rant ...

Need advice please got a job in a new salon and everything i did wasnt how they do it ,i put tint on then foil after they couldnt believe it:cry:and when i said 20 vol they said what do you mean 6%oh tell me am i that out of touch.They dont want me using straightners to much either, does it matter as long as you colour and get the same results.

 

[Simba44]

There's always more than one way to skin a cat ... and no way is the wrong way. I truly believe that there is no right way or wrong way in this trade.

When I started in hairdressing in the mid-70s we used vols. Now we use percentages. Doesn't matter what you call it, 20 vol, 6 percent - it's the same product. We need it, we use it, our clients get the benefit. You know what each is ... do the kids know? That gives you the higher ground, because you do know...

There is a horrible amount of snobbery in our trade, particularly about training. Apprenticeships? College? Full time college? Ah , come on - we're all concerned about giving our clients The Best ( at least I hope we are ...). Does it matter what we call it and how we get there?
I abhor the lack of individuality that occurs in our trade. In my town we have a very well known school and academy. Yes they churn out very competent hairdressers but you can tell where they trained. They stand the same, work the same, etc. Personally, I'd rather have someone who is encouiraged to explore their individuality, their flair and their creativeness. ...
Stick it out, girl. Be who you want to be, not what a crowd of girls think you ought to be ...

... and sorry for the rant ...

You go girl....... Lol

 

[NeelieGel]

I so agree with Simba here. I use the straighteners on so few clients preferring to spend longer drying properly. A good smooth blow dry looks so much better than polker straight flat hair in my opinion. It gives me a great sense of pride to know that what I do was a mile better than any client can do to their hair, and lets face it they've all got straighteners and many do their own straightening every day so we need to do it better.

I can so remember when I had my first really hard lesson as an apprentice. One of the stylists had really thick wavy hair and she made me blow dry it until it was really straight and smooth. It took me hours and she made me damp sections down again until I got it perfect. I have never forgotten that lesson and that evening. I was a young apprentice and terrified of her and so wanted to get it right. Best model evening throughout my training I reckon.

 

[Simba44]

I so agree with Simba here. I use the straighteners on so few clients preferring to spend longer drying properly. A good smooth blow dry looks so much better than polker straight flat hair in my opinion. It gives me a great sense of pride to know that what I do was a mile better than any client can do to their hair, and lets face it they've all got straighteners and many do their own straightening every day so we need to do it better.

I can so remember when I had my first really hard lesson as an apprentice. One of the stylists had really thick wavy hair and she made me blow dry it until it was really straight and smooth. It took me hours and she made me damp sections down again until I got it perfect. I have never forgotten that lesson and that evening. I was a young apprentice and terrified of her and so wanted to get it right. Best model evening throughout my training I reckon.

Yeh my mum was a right wicked so an so she used to make me start it all over again lol