Martin Duffy
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If you click the links to the studies cited on the page you will see that these are independent & contain references to other independent published trials.
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If you click the links to the studies cited on the page you will see that these are independent & contain references to other independent published trials.
I read all the articles and references you mentioned and I found it quite interesting. I've also looked for other references and came across this one:
http://www.rr-ei.com/infection control/Double Dip Debate.pdf
It also pretty much states that it is safe but I think the growing concern is still there and regardless of how safe it is, the perception that is might not be is prevalent. The last paragraph states:
"Upgrading prevention in these services is not difficult and doesn't have to cost a lot of money; it can merely mean changing protocols or habits. ... Either way, ignoring the concerns of our clients is tantamount to waiting for a problem or for watching many clients leave for what they see as a safer environment for ther treatments."
So I think I agree that it is safe but I would still not do it because the perception of the client is more important (for me anyway).
RedAdmiral
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I dont like the idea if putting my hand into anything unsanitary and know that as the hand is cooler the wax forms around it instantly so there is no problem with paraffin wax.
I ask clients to dip hands in and when therapist paint it on its always scratchy from the brush being hard - what I dont get about p.wax is that it does need to be changed all the time and I dont find it cost effective.
As for the client burning hand - how did the therapist allow the temperature to go too high?
I ask clients to dip hands in and when therapist paint it on its always scratchy from the brush being hard - what I dont get about p.wax is that it does need to be changed all the time and I dont find it cost effective.
As for the client burning hand - how did the therapist allow the temperature to go too high?
rebeccabeeley
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Hive have just brought out a new paraffin wax system. I dont know much about it and iv never used it but the paraffin is kept in a cartridge and sprayed onto the skin. Iv attached a link if anyone would like to get anyfurther information.
Hive of Beauty - Spray Paraffin Therapy
I think its a grate idea. Has anyone tried it? Any feed back would be great
Hive of Beauty - Spray Paraffin Therapy
I think its a grate idea. Has anyone tried it? Any feed back would be great
Hive have just brought out a new paraffin wax system. I dont know much about it and iv never used it but the paraffin is kept in a cartridge and sprayed onto the skin. Iv attached a link if anyone would like to get anyfurther information.
Hive of Beauty - Spray Paraffin Therapy
I think its a grate idea. Has anyone tried it? Any feed back would be great
I have this exact same machine but I haven't put it in the salon yet. I've tried it at home, spraying my hands over the sink and the wax sprays everywhere...the sink, the counter, the taps..everywhere. I refilled the little cartridge at the salon from the main bath using a turkey baster and it worked quite well for the refill. I brought it home and tried again pulling more gently on the handle so it wouldn't spray everywhere. It seemed to work better.
I think it could get expensive. For 4 cartridges here in Canada, the cost is $14 without tax. They come in 4 different flavours, it looks pretty and the client gets to choose which flavour they want. For me, I think it is less expensive to refill them from a main bath even if they are all the same flavour.
I think ideally, if there was perhaps a popup tent of sorts with an open top which the client could slide their hands in the bottom and you could spray from the top, it would be great. Each cartridge is perfectly measured to do two hands.
So until I find or create something to catch the spray, I will leave it at home.
PolishedAussie
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I looked at the articles in question, and the independent studies are not so independent in the 2007 study. The laboratories were commissioned by the paraffin distributer to conduct the studies, so there is a bias.
The other study from 1996 that was posted on their site was also not completely independent as a big comment at the bottom of the article refers to the paraffin company for their assistance in searching for relevant information. Could the information they provided have steered the study in a particular direction? (Just thinking out loud).
Another point from the 1996 study, if paraffin wax can not harbor bacteria or fungus then why did 2 of the 22 samples taken from the salons contain significant levels of bacteria and 4 of the 22 have a significant amount of fungal growth? I noticed the results were brushed over for this but it is still paraffin and still harbored bacteria and fungus, regardless of the brand!
Sorry it is the researcher coming out in me!! Personally I think that there is much more research needed that is independent of brand and duplicated several times, under several conditions to reach any firm conclusions.
So I have to say that I am not convinced from these studies that double dipping into a communal paraffin wax bath would be free of pathogens that could not potentally be passed on to another customer. IMO
I looked at the articles in question, and the independent studies are not so independent in the 2007 study. The laboratories were commissioned by the paraffin distributer to conduct the studies, so there is a bias.
The other study from 1996 that was posted on their site was also not completely independent as a big comment at the bottom of the article refers to the paraffin company for their assistance in searching for relevant information. Could the information they provided have steered the study in a particular direction? (Just thinking out loud).
Another point from the 1996 study, if paraffin wax can not harbor bacteria or fungus then why did 2 of the 22 samples taken from the salons contain significant levels of bacteria and 4 of the 22 have a significant amount of fungal growth? I noticed the results were brushed over for this but it is still paraffin and still harbored bacteria and fungus, regardless of the brand!
Sorry it is the researcher coming out in me!! Personally I think that there is much more research needed that is independent of brand and duplicated several times, under several conditions to reach any firm conclusions.
So I have to say that I am not convinced from these studies that double dipping into a communal paraffin wax bath would be free of pathogens that could not potentally be passed on to another customer. IMO
I think I agree with you and thank you for reading it so thoroughly. I was bothered by the fact that when I searched for other data, the only company that kept popping up in the defense of dipping was Thermabathpro. I kept trying to find other studies and really couldn't because I would like to believe it is safe - so far, none of the other methods of applying the wax feels as nice as dipping. Like you, I am not convinced and will continue looking for the best alternative.
