I can learn how to do nails in five minutes ????

[pips]

Great post adele and some fab replies!

I agree with everything that has been said & quoted.

I actually know a few young people who decided on nails as a side line in the way of making extra cash but their cheap one/two day courses taught them nothing really. Their nails are pants and i would be ashamed to say i had done them let alone wear them.

Admitidly mine was only a 2 week course but by god many sets of nails and loads of theory was packed into it. Even now nearly 3 years on im still learning and training to better myself.

I still find it hard to believe in myself when replying to threads on here wanting advice as i dont feel i have yet learned enough to be able to help in the way i would like to.

In all honesty i think there will always be the select few who believe that they can breeze into a day training place, come out with some kind of cert and start and attack the general publics hands having learnt nothing about nail diseases & disorders, fungal infections, contra indications, over exposer etc etc etc.

It realy gets my back up! The only good side of it is people often see our work and realise what they are missing out on and come to the real guys for a good set of enhancements.:green:

IF I HAVE UPSET ANYBODY WITH MY POST I APOLOGISE BUT IM ONLY SPEAKING MY MIND!

 

[sodabubble]

Great post adele and some fab replies!

I agree with everything that has been said & quoted.

I actually know a few young people who decided on nails as a side line in the way of making extra cash but their cheap one/two day courses taught them nothing really. Their nails are pants and i would be ashamed to say i had done them let alone wear them.

Admitidly mine was only a 2 week course but by god many sets of nails and loads of theory was packed into it. Even now nearly 3 years on im still learning and training to better myself.

I still find it hard to believe in myself when replying to threads on here wanting advice as i dont feel i have yet learned enough to be able to help in the way i would like to.

In all honesty i think there will always be the select few who believe that they can breeze into a day training place, come out with some kind of cert and start and attack the general publics hands having learnt nothing about nail diseases & disorders, fungal infections, contra indications, over exposer etc etc etc.

It realy gets my back up! The only good side of it is people often see our work and realise what they are missing out on and come to the real guys for a good set of enhancements.:green:

IF I HAVE UPSET ANYBODY WITH MY POST I APOLOGISE BUT IM ONLY SPEAKING MY MIND!

it's not just nail enhancements, it's a variety of treatments that this happens with. I had an indian head massage from a collegue who had done a very, very short 'course' and it was the worst thing ever, painful, uncomfortable, and crap! but companies will continue to take peoples money, colleges will continue to deliver crap courses and people will continue to get suckered in to signing up for something thats a total waste of time and money.

cream rises!

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

they think it looks cool and fun to do and "they've always wanted a salon"!!

Everyone of my clients has looked at me like this when they ask if I will be opening a salon in the future..and I reply "Nope"

I personally have NO intention of opening my own salon whatsoever and never have had.... is this odd ?

I will eventually find work (even if only part time) in a salon, but this will only for me litrally be to gain salon experience,
To help me get where I want to be, I realise I will need this behind me.

To me opening a salon of my own, the thought fill's me with horror !!!
All that stress and money worries and stress stress and stress lol..

I'm not saying this IS what owning your own salon is like, but thats what I think of,
I know I dont have the "head" for it,

But yeah you do hear so many girls ( coming to think about it the majority is young girls) wanting to open their own salon..and make their millions ....:lol:
if only !!!

 

[Enhanced-Barbie]

But yeah you do hear so many girls ( coming to think about it the majority is young girls) wanting to open their own salon..and make their millions ....:lol:
if only !!!

Well I hope you didnt think that of me if you read my post.
Im kinda youngish (24), but I've studied business and now am doing nails, I would love to combine the two and have a nail business.
I dont really care if I get rich or not though, those are just the two subjects that I have passion for, and I'd love to have a future doing this and helping others build their way up in the industry.
I've already thought of the business name and started designing the business cards, aftercare pamphlets, price lists etc, lame huh, but gotta keep the dream alive

 

[pips]

it's not just nail enhancements, it's a variety of treatments that this happens with. I had an indian head massage from a collegue who had done a very, very short 'course' and it was the worst thing ever, painful, uncomfortable, and crap! but companies will continue to take peoples money, colleges will continue to deliver crap courses and people will continue to get suckered in to signing up for something thats a total waste of time and money.

cream rises!

True sorry for any confusion i was speaking about the quick fix acrylic courses, but yes it can be in any treatment.

In all honesty there is some treatments that can be learnt in a day, i myself did an eye treatment course in a day and a wax course in a day but there was alot packed into it, i have all my files and folders with my course work in and if i do need to go back over anything i can but dont feel the need as they covered it all. Maybe as im older i have the ability to learn and take more in than a teen would? Who knows, all i know is i have learnt more on my courses than i ever learnt through my schooling lol

I went to a reputable salon near me over the xmas period and i couldnt believe how much of the service was excluded when i had my facial and pedicure and thats from a salon who has a good press coverage, i remember thinking omg ive paid X amount for this and got sod all, it really did feel like i was there for them to make a quick buck :irked:

 

[pips]

To me opening a salon of my own, the thought fill's me with horror !!!
All that stress and money worries and stress stress and stress lol..
I'm not saying this IS what owning your own salon is like, but thats what I think of,
I know I dont have the "head" for it

Well emmsy that is why im now out of a job beacuse when the salon i worked and managed at came up for sale i knew that even after 3 years in the industry i wasnt ready to go out there and put myself in that position.
The stress of managing it was enough for me to know i had alot further to go in my training and business knowledge before i could ever make that move!

 

[sodabubble]

True sorry for any confusion i was speaking about the quick fix acrylic courses, but yes it can be in any treatment.

In all honesty there is some treatments that can be learnt in a day, i myself did an eye treatment course in a day and a wax course in a day but there was alot packed into it, i have all my files and folders with my course work in and if i do need to go back over anything i can but dont feel the need as they covered it all. Maybe as im older i have the ability to learn and take more in than a teen would? Who knows, all i know is i have learnt more on my courses than i ever learnt through my schooling lol

I went to a reputable salon near me over the xmas period and i couldnt believe how much of the service was excluded when i had my facial and pedicure and thats from a salon who has a good press coverage, i remember thinking omg ive paid X amount for this and got sod all, it really did feel like i was there for them to make a quick buck :irked:

I think may depend on how you're being assessed. I did the BTec Nat Dip, which is a full time course over 2 years. Of my classmates at the time, I'm the only person thats made the industry my life as the others have gone off to have babies and god knows what else, but what I can say is that it's very easy to slip into bad habits! Theres a new local day spa near me thats meant to be all singing all dancing, but like you, they do exclude things from treatments and when you pay so much you are left feeling like you have been robbed!!

 

[Tipsbygm]

I decided to go on a nail course after having my daughter she was born 13 weeks early weighed only 1lb 4oz she is 8 now shes got cerebral palsy,chronic lung disease and still tube fed. But at about 5 years old she really started to get better and went to main stream school .So i decided last year life is to short to go back to something i don't enjoy to do something i really wanted to do .I love it but i still need lots of practice .I went on a 6 day course last year felt like giving up at Xmas when i had advertised only got one reply and she called said she was not happy and had gone somewhere else .My husband found this site for me and thanks to you guys i went on a ezflow conversion course and feel like I'm getting somewhere now i don't know when i will pluck up courage to advertise again i am running out of people to practise on .I wont give up this time .x

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

Well I hope you didnt think that of me if you read my post.
Im kinda youngish (24), but I've studied business and now am doing nails, I would love to combine the two and have a nail business.
I dont really care if I get rich or not though, those are just the two subjects that I have passion for, and I'd love to have a future doing this and helping others build their way up in the industry.
I've already thought of the business name and started designing the business cards, aftercare pamphlets, price lists etc, lame huh, but gotta keep the dream alive

I am talking 15/ 16 years young ish...
I am 28 myself so not past it yet lol,
and no what you have done so far regarding your biz isnt lame...you are planning a future,
Totally different to the people I ment, who dont even consider this side of things...
The maths...the brain work blah blah that go's into it,

Theres also young as in personality or mentality...you can have a very mature 18 year old...or a very "young" 18 year old, iykwim.

When I said everything I said I mean in the way the thread was started...these "young" girls imagine ..day course in this and that..Im gunna open a salon and be RICH yayyyyy,
Lol hope you understand,

Of course my comments were not directed at anyone on here...most of us are here because we have passion and drive,

I mean girls I have spoke face to face with x

 

[Enhanced-Barbie]

I am talking 15/ 16 years young ish...
I am 28 myself so not past it yet lol,
and no what you have done so far regarding your biz isnt lame...you are planning a future,
Totally different to the people I ment, who dont even consider this side of things...
The maths...the brain work blah blah that go's into it,

Theres also young as in personality or mentality...you can have a very mature 18 year old...or a very "young" 18 year old, iykwim.

When I said everything I said I mean in the way the thread was started...these "young" girls imagine ..day course in this and that..Im gunna open a salon and be RICH yayyyyy,
Lol hope you understand,

Of course my comments were not directed at anyone on here...most of us are here because we have passion and drive,

I mean girls I have spoke face to face with x

Lol thats cool, I wasnt offended or anything but I felt like a bit of a **** saying that I wanted to open my own salon just as you said about young girls thinking that they could do that.
If only it was as easy as a day course huh! My course is a whole year long and we learn nothing but nails. Its only 1 day a week mind you, but at least at the end of it I will be a fully qualified CND nail tech!

 

[Lavender-blue]

This will no doubt be unpopular post but if I don't voice my opinion then I will explode.

I, like many others, came into this business from the 'other side of the nail desk' ie as a client. I like many others thought it looked easy and and more to the point, an easy way to make money. To her credit my nailtech said if you feel like that go and train with Creative and this is how I found this site.

At no point (despite it looking easy) did I think I was going to cover it all in a day, just to cover the bottles and tools on the desk I thought would take me a week. More to the point I knew it would be expensive

I don't suppose I could learn brain surgery, mono cycling, hairdressing, oil painting, plumbing etc etc etc overnight SO

WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN DO NAILS AS A SIDELINE, HOBBY, ADD ON ETC ETC ON A ONE DAY COURSE ETC AND EXPECT IT ON THE CHEAP

If you can't afford to give up a full time job then you have to take holiday for the days of the course and give up a lot of personal time to practise. If you can't afford it then you have to save up.

I was only able to do this because at 50 life was easier than in younger life but when I was younger I had to make sacrifices to do the things I really wanted.

This is just my personal opinion - feel free to comment

I agree here

I have had to make some HUGE sacrifices to gain my qualifications. Blood, sweat , and tears have been shed more than a few times in my house let me tell you.
When my kids were really small i was doing my beauty qualifications and had to sacrifice everything.Then I did my holistic therapy training for a year, then i did advanced reflexology for another year, then advanced aromatherapy for another year. PLUS an extra year of anatomy and physiology to get my diploma, because the beauty quals in a&p ony go up to certificate level. (might have changed now tho).
I studied around my small children and family. We all adapted to a totally different lifestyle. And i had to get help from a childminder who at times had to get my kids from school for me, etc etc.

And the learning NEVER ever stops it is an ongoing fact.

This went on for 3 years full time . My kids are now 11 and 9 and i am STILL learning and constantly updating my skills and quals, and have been ever since.

I am qualified in nail enhancements and nail art (only to vtct standards tho), but just because i am qualified and have a certificate does not make me a nail tech.
I choose not to do nails because my competence is not high enough for my standards (does that make sense) i dont know!!

I and everybody else need proper education when it comes to nails , and I havent found the time yet to pursue it. BUT i wouldnt dream of practising as a nail tech until i have been properly and thoroughly educated to industry standards,and with a company with some credentials.
My street cred wouldnt let me.!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont do nails because in my opinion im not competent ENOUGH.

PREVIOUS to all this I trained for my hairdressing qualifications starting in 1980.
Since then i have also re-educated myself to level 3 hairdressing to bring myself up to date .
I didnt have to do this I could have just muddled through, but i believe if you are serious about this business , education is next to godliness..

There are no short cuts. There should be no short cuts. The peeps who take short cuts usually are the ones who dont last 5 mins in this business.

So I say keep striving to be the best that you can be.

Dont cut corners its just so not worth it, and in the end its this that sorts the wheat from the chaff.

Great thread Adele :hug::hug::hug:

 

[sodabubble]

Adele I totally agree with you.

I have had to make some HUGE sacrifices to gain my qualifications. Blood, sweat , and tears have been shed more than a few times in my house let me tell you.
When my kids were really small i was doing my beauty qualifications and had to sacrifice everything.Then I did my holistic therapy training for a year, then i did advanced reflexology for another year, then advanced aromatherapy for another year. PLUS an extra year of anatomy and physiology to get my diploma, because the beauty quals in a&p ony go up to certificate level. (might have changed now tho).
I studied around my small children and family. We all adapted to a totally different lifestyle. And i had to get help from a childminder who at times had to get my kids from school for me, etc etc.

And the learning NEVER ever stops it is an ongoing fact.

This went on for 3 years full time . My kids are now 11 and 9 and i am STILL learning and constantly updating my skills and quals, and have been ever since.

I am qualified in nail enhancements and nail art (only to vtct standards tho), but just because i am qualified and have a certificate does not make me a nail tech.
I choose not to do nails because my competence is not high enough for my standards (does that make sense) i dont know!!

I and everybody else need proper education when it comes to nails , and I havent found the time yet to pursue it. BUT i wouldnt dream of practising as a nail tech until i have been properly and thoroughly educated to industry standards,and with a company with some credentials.
My street cred wouldnt let me.!!!!!!!!!!!!
I dont do nails because in my opinion im not competent ENOUGH.

PREVIOUS to all this I trained for my hairdressing qualifications starting in 1980.
Since then i have also re-educated myself to level 3 hairdressing to bring myself up to date .
I didnt have to do this I could have just muddled through, but i believe if you are serious about this business , education is next to godliness..

There are no short cuts. There should be no short cuts. The peeps who take short cuts usually are the ones who dont last 5 mins in this business.

So I say keep striving to be the best that you can be.

Dont cut corners its just so not worth it, and in the end its this that sorts the wheat from the chaff.

Great thread Adele :hug::hug::hug:

education is next to godliness omg how true!!! wise words!!!

I think the debate about one day courses vs a full time college course will always ramble on, but the therapists I admire the most are basically ones like lavender-blue, who like me have worked their arses off to achieve something so worthwhile.
Sorry no offence to anyone who has had it handed to them on a plate, its just that I have seen so many salons open up thanx to mummy and daddy coughing up the cash and the new salon owners just cant be arsed with it and tend to spend too much time massaging their own egos and flashing the cash!

so here's too hard work, passion and sacrifices! God who's being melodramatic now lol :hug: xx

 

[sj1973]

What a fab thread and VERY good points raised on this subject........your all so right....when booking courses people should not think of money......people should think of what they are going to get after the course.....GOOD TRAINING.x

 

[hiba]

This will no doubt be unpopular post but if I don't voice my opinion then I will explode.

I, like many others, came into this business from the 'other side of the nail desk' ie as a client. I like many others thought it looked easy and and more to the point, an easy way to make money. To her credit my nailtech said if you feel like that go and train with Creative and this is how I found this site.

At no point (despite it looking easy) did I think I was going to cover it all in a day, just to cover the bottles and tools on the desk I thought would take me a week. More to the point I knew it would be expensive

I don't suppose I could learn brain surgery, mono cycling, hairdressing, oil painting, plumbing etc etc etc overnight SO

WHY DO PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN DO NAILS AS A SIDELINE, HOBBY, ADD ON ETC ETC ON A ONE DAY COURSE ETC AND EXPECT IT ON THE CHEAP

If you can't afford to give up a full time job then you have to take holiday for the days of the course and give up a lot of personal time to practise. If you can't afford it then you have to save up.

I was only able to do this because at 50 life was easier than in younger life but when I was younger I had to make sacrifices to do the things I really wanted.

This is just my personal opinion - feel free to comment

thank u adale that is what i was trying to say in my last thread...
http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/68703-when-can-you-say-im-nail-technician.html
but i couldn't express it well because English is my third language and I'm still trying to improve it...thank u I'm 100% agree..:hug:

 

[Pink Pink Pink]

What a fab post. I agree with, well.. everyone. A friend of mine did a one day course in gels aaaages ago when I was studying for my beauty therapy. I qualified and have moved onto L&P level 2 (will be doing level 3 next year) and she has come to realise (thanks to my bleeting) that it was not enough and is just starting from scratch doing a proper man and ped course.

It has and will continue to take me years but I want to do it all properly, take it all in so I can be the best that I can be!

This is such a passion for me and thats the reason I love this site so much. I'm not the only geek out there and when I'm feeling a bit fed up I come here and get that spark again. So thank you everyone - I'm sure most of you have helped me at some point with that!!

 

[mercedes69]

Great thread and some fantastic replies...all I agree with too...

I thought you could do it in 5 minutes...:o
I was a client...thought I was more than capable of doing it myself...bought a Rio kit... Decided either I was cr@p or the Rio kit was...

Looked at home learning distance courses...and miraculously saw the light before I handed over money.....

Looked for training in Spain....found somewhere...saw one of their students nails AFTER she had trained and qualified....and decided there was no way I was going there for training....

Found this site...found Geeg....and that was the start on my long journey...and I am still at the first hurdle...

 

[nailzoo]

Some are lucky enough to be "naturals" at the practical work, but lack theory.

There are so many variables to take into account.

One important thing that drives many people is money ... thats all they want .... unfortunately, techs want the income, so they keep on keeping on.

But whats even worse is when the teachers and schools are only interested in money, they let students go way before they are ready..... just to make room for the next lot and sell the previous underqualified, innocent and somewhat gullible students product.

Not everyone can do nails, no matter how much money they spend.

Nails are an artform and just like painting (I mean accurate painting, imagine painting a picture of a nail that actually looked real) anyone can paint an "abstract", but I really don't think clients want "abstract" looking nails.

Nails should be quite precise, not an interpretation.

Tell that to the schools and teachers that are setting these new "techs" loose on the general paying public and reflecting on our industry as a whole.

All you have to do is look at the threads posted by newbies in here (please don't take offense guys), but really your teachers should be teaching you, YOU should be asking "THEM" the questions (apparently they are good enough to teach). Or are they too busy making money by cramming too many students in per class to give you some individual attention you have paid for and deserve?

If I was learning and had to look elsewhere for advice, i'd also be looking elsewhere for education.

 

[champagne]

Well i certainly came into this with my eyes wide open, when i left school i wanted to go into beauty but as circumstances were i had to get a job quick.

At this time in my life i am able to put my dreams into practice, it has cost me over 1000 pounds to do the few courses i have booked with CND, thats not including all the extra materials lol.. I fully researched all aspects before i went ahead and at no time did i ever think it was going to be easy.

I am now pemanently attached to my nail trainer, and doing at least 3 sets a week on paying models. I take my hat off to every nail tech who has been through the training, tears and trouble of perfecting their skills.

I am striving to be the best i can be and improve beyond, i have taken this step in my life and will push myself to the limit to make it work.

Good luck to anyone starting out but make sure you have the funds and the training required before you go anywhere near a nail.

Champagne x

 

[Amethyst_Angel]

Great thread, Adele!!

I also agree with your post & the opinions of previous posters. Education (and HUUUGE amounts of practise!) is the ONLY way to go!

It's exactly like in the original post - how would you feel if you were going in to surgery and found out that the surgeon doing your operation had only gone on a 1 day course or distance learning course?! Our clients come to us because we are PROFESSIONALS! And I am all for keeping the professional standards of our industry high!

Well said, peeps!

:hug:

 

[mercedes69]

Great thread, Adele!!

I also agree with your post & the opinions of previous posters. Education (and HUUUGE amounts of practise!) is the ONLY way to go!

It's exactly like in the original post - how would you feel if you were going in to surgery and found out that the surgeon doing your operation had only gone on a 1 day course or distance learning course?! Our clients come to us because we are PROFESSIONALS! And I am all for keeping the professional standards of our industry high!

Well said, peeps!

:hug:

Have you seen some of the cosmetic surgery these days
I think some of those surgeons have indeed done a one day coresspondence course....:lol: