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How long did/does it take for your shellac application from pep to SolarOil:

1) when you first started?
2) now?
3) how long did it take to get to the duration you're at now?

I'm *really* slow and seem to have got slower, esp with reapplication and removing the shellac with CND wraps. My work is quite neat, which I guess is slowing me down (focusing on the right amount if polish on the brush, clean lines at the side walls and eponychium and a good seal).

Removal problems are probably a combination of painting too thick and clients not using SolarOil enough (most likely the first, as my mum and I use it religiously and still have probs with removal).

I've had my shellac brings them back training and am using nourishing remover - all products purchased from S2.

Quickest application (only achieved once): 1 hour
Longest reapplication: 4 hrs!!! :(
Been doing shellac since 7 May.

My educator has been helpful (she's great), I'm curious whether others have got faster over time.

Would like to do brisa lite build it course, but need to get my timings in order first - walk before I can run and all that!

Sorry for the long post xx
 
Hi DNX

I am the same. Longest application 3 hours, and now I am around 1 hour for application plus 30 mins for removal. I am finding Vinylux so much easier and quicker.

xx
 
My longest was probably 1.5-2hours

I can now do most in an hour to an hour and fifteen minutes. It all depends on if I have a removal to do, how bad the cuticle build up is and if they have art. I'm not too bothered with my timings at the moment because I'm not back to back with clients yet. If I was I'd probably be a lot faster.

I had a shellac party the other week I started at about 6.40 and I was finished just after 10 I left the party at 10.20pm so I didn't think that was too bad. All new clients to me but no one had any product on so it was straight in to pep with them all. I did 4 in that space of time.

Xx
 
Hi I used to take about 1 hour to hour and a half now I can easily do it in 30 mins 45 for reshallac x
 
An expert polisher can do a Shellac manicure in 30 minutes ... I have to laugh because I can't see anyway it could possibly take anyone 2 hours or 4 hours ... What could you be doing in that time? We all concentrate on being neat and perfect but however neat you are trying to be ... More than an hour is nuts!

Shellac removal always takes the ten minutes plus another 5 to tidy before re-application.

We do many Shellac clients regularly every 2 weeks. If they go longer we now charge more to remove as it takes longer to do.

Shellac is a beautiful 2 week manicure ... That is how it is meant to be ... The ones who push for 3 weeks are only the ex-enhancement clients we find (because they are used to that with enhancements) or the cheapskates. But Shellac is a manicure for lovely natural nails and it goes on like polish and should not take much longer than polish to do.
 
Wow not to be mean or anything but 4 hours?? What do you do in 4 hours lol... Even 2 hours.
Shellac is meant to be easy on, easy off. Which to me means a relatively quick treatment.

I take 30 minutes for colour, 45 for French.
Then for re shellac another 15 minutes for soak off.

I've found once a nail is soaked off its quicker then to do the cuticle work and then go on to the next wrapped nail and remove, cuticle work and so on.

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i have to agree i cant see how a shellac can take hours even with lot of nail art i wouldnt be able to?? Now if you were talking a full set of enhancements i could maybe understand.

It takes me 30-40 mins for plain colour shellac
40-50 for french manicure
extra 15 mins for removal

I only book people in for hour long appts or the occasional person gets an extra 15 mins if i know that they regularly have nail art and lots of added extras but even then. when i do pamper evenings i have shellac booked in every half hour, obviously then its the most basic prep and only one colour but they get 2 weeks from that

I wonder if you are maybe allowing yourself this long to do shellac? maybe you should think about booking someone in after each set so that you know you cant be faffing about
 
Like Souz, I book an hour out. At my slowest, I probably allowed 75 mins but never took that long. I have been a therapist for a long time painting nails with varnish, so took to Shellac like a duck to water. If I have a client booking Shellac removal and reapplication and a brow tidy, it's perfect - apply removal wraps, whip their brows off, whip their Shellac off, tidy and reapply, all still within the hour, but I will also allow a little longer for some of my more fastidious clients!!!
 
I've just timed myself, I did a Shellac with BLSm in 50 mins. But I would add 15mins on if removing, knowing I had done the last Shellac Service!! At the end of the day time is money, but my clients like to talk & expect a reply too, so sometimes I go over depending on circumstances. 😊 I think my timings are quite the norm for most Shellacers.
 
DNX, don't beat yourself up about timings either, you've only just been trained as of 7th May? Am I correct? It will all come in its own time - literally!! Remember client care, ladies will come to you for quality workmanship, your not a conveyor belt!! :hugs:
 
Hey Dnx

Don't panic first of all, never helps and only makes you slower! My longest removal back at the start took me 2 hours, I look back now and realise where I was going wrong. I didn't have my routine down pat, my confidence wasn't with me so I had the 'faff factor' (as Nicole333 would say ;) ) going on and my technique was out for removal, too much time waiting around when I could be getting on with something else.

My routine for a Re-Shellac is as follows:

Apply remover wraps (or whatever wraps you use to all ten fingers) time 10 minutes for DSolve from the time the first wrap is on

After ten minutes go back to the first wrap, twist/massage and slide off the nail. If there's anything left on it that isn't coming off use dsolve on a lint free pad hold on to the nail in the area that the Shellac is still on and it will lift off.

Clear away Shellac- I use a manicure brush then apply Cuticle Away.

I do these same steps for each nail, one at a time

After all ten nails are done I remove cuticle and shape nail, one nail at a time- so remove cuticle, shape nail then on to the next

Remove CA with soap and water, using manicure brush again to get in the crevices and then dry with a lint free wipe

Then I start my Shellac application

This doesn't include greeting the client, making coffee, consultation form, client choosing a colour (though this is done when we go through the consult or Shellac is being removed) taking photos and rebooking- all this does add time on.

If you find you are faffing over the nail shape, and I have done this in the past, do one hand and get your client to check that the length and shape is as desired. You can always go back if you feel there is slight imperfection, but don't faff, it uses up your time.

Build your confidence, this comes over time. You haven't been Shellac-ing long, only since May and some of us weren't super fast from the beginning, so please stop worrying lovely :)

Practice your polishing skills, if this is an area you feel you are slower on. There are some great tutorials on here to help you. Here is one of them http://www.salongeek.com/nail-finishing-maintenance/11972-precision-polishing.html

I know I personally work much faster if I put the pressure on myself. Don't allow yourself too much time. I always find the busier I am, one after the other, the quicker I am. Sometimes we get in our nail groove too! :D

Make sure your base coat is thin to win. Too thick and it can make removal a little harder, also bear in mind length of time the client has had their Shellac on, and whether they've used their SolarOil as you say. Make sure you remover wraps are on snug and that the pad holds enough dsolve. There is a great thread here with some really useful posts on remover wraps, here it is http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/221154-shellac-remover-wraps-where-am-i-going-wrong.html

I know your thread asked how long does it take everyone, but try not to get too caught up in everyone's timings. As said, get your routine in place to the point it's just natural and work away. I tend to find when I am doing friends and family I always take longer because I natter so much more. The phrase I love most is talk to the nails, not the face. I can personally do a Re-Shellac anywhere between 50 minutes to 1 hour and 15 which includes from the time I greet them at the door to the time I walk them back to the door, sending them on their way. My timings vary depending upon how their nails are (cuticle build up, whether they want their nails filed right down again ect etc) art work, whether I've talked too much :o, whether they've followed SolarOil after care, what they had on there nails previously (rockstar for example or two topcoats), whether they want French and so on.

The good thing is you know you need to speed up, the next bit is working out how to speed up. Not sure if that's been of any help at all, but I hope so.

Sorry for the essay haha.

Hugs xxx
 
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Hi DNX

I am the same. Longest application 3 hours, and now I am around 1 hour for application plus 30 mins for removal. I am finding Vinylux so much easier and quicker.

xx

Karen, how long did it take you to get down to an hour? xx
 
Hey Dnx

Don't panic first of all, never helps and only makes you slower! My longest removal back at the start took me 2 hours, I look back now and realise where I was going wrong. I didn't have my routine down pat, my confidence wasn't with me so I had the 'faff factor' (as Nicole333 would say ;) ) going on and my technique was out for removal, too much time waiting around when I could be getting on with something else.

My routine for a Re-Shellac is as follows:

Apply remover wraps (or whatever wraps you use to all ten fingers) time 10 minutes for DSolve from the time the first wrap is on

After ten minutes go back to the first wrap, twist/massage and slide off the nail. If there's anything left on it that isn't coming off use dsolve on a lint free pad hold on to the nail in the area that the Shellac is still on and it will lift off.

Clear away Shellac- I use a manicure brush then apply Cuticle Away.

I do these same steps for each nail, one at a time

After all ten nails are done I remove cuticle and shape nail, one nail at a time- so remove cuticle, shape nail then on to the next

Remove CA with soap and water, using manicure brush again to get in the crevices and then dry with a lint free wipe

Then I start my Shellac application

This doesn't include greeting the client, making coffee, consultation form, client choosing a colour (though this is done when we go through the consult or Shellac is being removed) taking photos and rebooking- all this does add time on.

If you find you are faffing over the nail shape, and I have done this in the past, do one hand and get your client to check that the length and shape is as desired. You can always go back if you feel there is slight imperfection, but don't faff, it uses up your time.

Build your confidence, this comes over time. You haven't been Shellac-ing long, only since May and some of us weren't super fast from the beginning, so please stop worrying lovely :)

Practice your polishing skills, if this is an area you feel you are slower on. There are some great tutorials on here to help you. Here is one of them http://www.salongeek.com/nail-finishing-maintenance/11972-precision-polishing.html

I know I personally work much faster if I put the pressure on myself. Don't allow yourself too much time. I always find the busier I am, one after the other, the quicker I am. Sometimes we get in our nail groove too! :D

Make sure your base coat is thin to win. Too thick and it can make removal a little harder, also bear in mind length of time the client has had their Shellac on, and whether they've used their SolarOil as you say. Make sure you remover wraps are on snug and that the pad holds enough dsolve. There is a great thread here with some really useful posts on remover wraps, here it is http://www.salongeek.com/nail-geek/221154-shellac-remover-wraps-where-am-i-going-wrong.html

I know your thread asked how long does it take everyone, but try not to get too caught up in everyone's timings. As said, get your routine in place to the point it's just natural and work away. I tend to find when I am doing friends and family I always take longer because I natter so much more. The phrase I love most is talk to the nails, not the face. I can personally do a Re-Shellac anywhere between 50 minutes to 1 hour and 15 which includes from the time I greet them at the door to the time I walk them back to the door, sending them on their way. My timings vary depending upon how their nails are (cuticle build up, whether they want their nails filed right down again ect etc) art work, whether I've talked too much :o, whether they've followed SolarOil after care, what they had on there nails previously (rockstar for example or two topcoats), whether they want French and so on.

The good thing is you know you need to speed up, the next bit is working out how to speed up. Not sure if that's been of any help at all, but I hope so.

Sorry for the essay haha.

Hugs xxx

Thank you Happyfeet :)

Appreciate the constructive advice and links to precision polishing (brilliant resource) and shellac remover wraps, both of which I've read already. Before my mani-pedi course in April, I painted my nails maybe once a year, this is all very new to me.

The following client had her Shellac on for 3 wks 3 days before she could get back in (work and home commitments):

63 mins to remove the Shellac - 12 mins to put on (I'm ordering a Menda pump from S2 - currently I use a pipet and saturate, poss too much, as the wraps sometimes lose their stick where the d-solve has leaked out from the underside), 23 mins duration wraps were on and 28 mins to completely clear nails of Shellac
49 mins PEP
27 mins Brisa Lite Smoothing
58 mins Shellac colour x 3 in purple purple (could still see some streaking with 2 coats), top coat, d-sperse, SolarOil and Scentsations

3 hours 17 mins total!!!! There was some chat going on, but not overly excessive.

I think I've been stressing about the time and as a result am taking even longer, let's see how I get on tomorrow.

This lady had Brisa Lite Smoothing and Shellac with three coats of colour, should she come back in two or three weeks for reapplication? I thought it was three with both Brisa Lite Smoothing and Shellac.

Thanks again

xx
 
Thanks for your responses - polishing nails is very new to me - my nails were tools up until about two months ago and only polished them maybe once a year. Clearly practise is required.
 
I really think it would be beneficial to you to take another look through the youtube tutorials from CND and Fingernailfixer.

Even being overly cautious with your application there is now way those steps should take that long. They should look a bit like this

Wrap to remove - 2 mins
Leave to soak, make tea, get client to decide on colours, gossip - 10 mins
Remove wraps, tease off any remaining shellac gently - 5 mins
PEP - max 15 minutes
Application - 15 minutes

Less than an hour, even with BL Smoothing application.

Don't be too hard on yourself, we've all got to start somewhere but I would just practice like mad with polish and get your table set up spot on so that you're not wasting time.
Good luck x
 
I really think it would be beneficial to you to take another look through the youtube tutorials from CND and Fingernailfixer.

Even being overly cautious with your application there is now way those steps should take that long. They should look a bit like this

Wrap to remove - 2 mins
Leave to soak, make tea, get client to decide on colours, gossip - 10 mins
Remove wraps, tease off any remaining shellac gently - 5 mins
PEP - max 15 minutes
Application - 15 minutes

Less than an hour, even with BL Smoothing application.

Don't be too hard on yourself, we've all got to start somewhere but I would just practice like mad with polish and get your table set up spot on so that you're not wasting time.
Good luck x

Part of it is trying to get this 'thin to win' right, plus my removals are taking just far tooooooo loooooooong.:cry:

Going to practise with Vinylux on anyone who's willing to let me! :)

Thanks for taking the time to respond
xx
 
You're welcome :)

Out of interest honey are you doing each step separately- eg wraps on, remove one wrap, remove shellac then go on to the next, then filing each nail, putting CA on all ten nails, waiting a bit then removing, ? If so next time try and do it the way I do it, I found the other way definitely took me longer. By combining the removal and the PEP together, I found this sped my times up.

Also how comes you had the wraps on for 23 minutes hun? Having them on too long I have read on here can also cause issues or prolong removal. Keep it to ten minutes and if you find one nail really hasn't budged, then re wrap that one nail. It could be either the base coat is too thick or that you didn't wrap the wrap tightly enough or there wasn't enough dsolve on it.

Definitely the Menda Pump will help, a lot less faffing ;) than a pipette.

Remember with your cuticle work, allow CA to do it's magic first then go in with your manicure tool push back eponychium and remove cuticle from the nail plate. Working quickly here doesn't mean you'll miss bits, just make sure that when you remove cuticle you really mean it.. haha! What I mean by that is when I was being trained by CND my EA said don't feel you have to go back and fourth, back and fourth, make deliberate movements with the manicure tool to remove the cuticle- so use one push/glide of the manicure tool instead of lots of little ones. Also if you find more stubborn cuticle if it's not coming up apply another tiny bead of CA, carry on with the other nails, then go back to it.

Also, and I know not everyone agrees with this, but I found the CND remover wraps a bit of faff with my man hands when I was new. I switched to the Magi Wraps and more recently Vamoos (which I love) and found I was getting the pad on the nail and the wrap secured more tightly which is key for removal. That said, I would wait until you get your Menda pump first, as that could make all the difference with timing and the amount you place on the pad and the wrap not losing its sticky.

Try not to over think everything too. Your polishing techniques will improve, mine have since in started back in 2011 with Shellac. I would imagine everything still feels quite alien to you, I know it did for me at the start, but it feels second nature to me now.

Also try and use your lamp as a guide to your timings with polishing, so aim to polish one hand in, on or around two minutes. If you feel that your client is sitting with her hand in the lamp for too long after the 2 minutes is up, next time speed it up a bit. Also as practice get some nails to polish with polish (not Shellac), the beauty and sometimes the beast is that we can play about with shellac so for us faffers it's a dream come true. By practicing with polish, you know you have to work much quicker than Shellac as it dries on the nail and quickly, so by practicing with polish you have no choice but to be quicker or it's an unholy mess ;) Also when Shellacing have dsperse at your side or some people use nail fresh and brush or just use an orange wood stick to tidy any little imperfections you can see. I always find if I have one nail that no matter what I do looks a mess I wipe the colour coat off with a little bit of dsperse on a lint free pad, go on to do the other nails, allowing for the nail to dry, then go back and do the colour coat again rather than wasting my time trying to make a bad job good.

The precision polishing is a great tutorial, so I won't repeat what's already on there, but remember get the sides nice and straight and have the beautiful rounded sweep at the bottom good to go from the first time you apply the colour. I always take just a little bit longer on my first coat of colour to get it right, making the subsequent colour and topcoat a lot quicker and easier to apply.

You can have your client who has shellac and brisa lite smoothing come back after three weeks that's fine. A lot of my clients won't go longer than two however because they don't like the regrowth after two. Shellac on it's own I book them in 2 weeks after, Brisa Lite Smoothing either two or three based on clients preference.
 
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Yes I admit it, I am the Queen of Faff! :wink2:

Dnx, you have had some wonderfully constructive advice from our Happyfeet and being so new to things you need to find your feet as well as take on board the amazing tips we have right here in this thread.

My PEP is the stage that I over think things, but only the shaping of the natural nails now. I become obsessive over it, are they all the same length? Is the shape right? Are they symmetrical? Are there any frills underneath? What's the overall effect? I do my own head in!

I have been doing Shellac a while, but I don't do it every day, so feel my speed has not improved as much as it would if it was second nature to me. I do not feel less of a person for it and I am improving and heading in the right direction. I will also be using HF's tip of completing one nail after unwrapping (thanks chick :hug:) to see if that makes a difference.

So, Dnx, I know where you are coming from, but I would say work on being confident with your technique and then work on timings.
 
Thanks HappyFeet, I've commented/answered below...

You're welcome :)

Out of interest honey are you doing each step separately- eg wraps on, remove one wrap, remove shellac then go on to the next, then filing each nail, putting CA on all ten nails, waiting a bit then removing, ? If so next time try and do it the way I do it, I found the other way definitely took me longer. By combining the removal and the PEP together, I found this sped my times up.

I wrap all fingers, then take one off at a time and remove all Shellac on that finger, then move on to the next. When all nails are clear of Shellac, I commence filing, then CA, rinse with soapy water and scrub fresh.

Also how comes you had the wraps on for 23 minutes hun? Having them on too long I have read on here can also cause issues or prolong removal. Keep it to ten minutes and if you find one nail really hasn't budged, then re wrap that one nail. It could be either the base coat is too thick or that you didn't wrap the wrap tightly enough or there wasn't enough dsolve on it.

Didn't set a timer as soon as the first was finished, so did it for longer to be on the safe side :o

Definitely the Menda Pump will help, a lot less faffing ;) than a pipette.

Do you use just one pump?

Remember with your cuticle work, allow CA to do it's magic first then go in with your manicure tool push back eponychium and remove cuticle from the nail plate. Working quickly here doesn't mean you'll miss bits, just make sure that when you remove cuticle you really mean it.. haha! What I mean by that is when I was being trained by CND my EA said don't feel you have to go back and fourth, back and fourth, make deliberate movements with the manicure tool to remove the cuticle- so use one push/glide of the manicure tool instead of lots of little ones. Also if you find more stubborn cuticle if it's not coming up apply another tiny bead of CA, carry on with the other nails, then go back to it.

I'll try your technique for one intentional push over each area, then move on rather than lots of little ones. If there's stubborn cuticle, I do what you do and apply a little CA and return to it.

Also, and I know not everyone agrees with this, but I found the CND remover wraps a bit of faff with my man hands when I was new. I switched to the Magi Wraps and more recently Vamoos (which I love) and found I was getting the pad on the nail and the wrap secured more tightly which is key for removal. That said, I would wait until you get your Menda pump first, as that could make all the difference with timing and the amount you place on the pad and the wrap not losing its sticky.

Will get my Menda and see how I get on - I must be able to do this.

Try not to over think everything too. Your polishing techniques will improve, mine have since in started back in 2011 with Shellac. I would imagine everything still feels quite alien to you, I know it did for me at the start, but it feels second nature to me now.

Also try and use your lamp as a guide to your timings with polishing, so aim to polish one hand in, on or around two minutes. If you feel that your client is sitting with her hand in the lamp for too long after the 2 minutes is up, next time speed it up a bit. Also as practice get some nails to polish with polish (not Shellac), the beauty and sometimes the beast is that we can play about with shellac so for us faffers it's a dream come true. By practicing with polish, you know you have to work much quicker than Shellac as it dries on the nail and quickly, so by practicing with polish you have no choice but to be quicker or it's an unholy mess ;) Also when Shellacing have dsperse at your side or some people use nail fresh and brush or just use an orange wood stick to tidy any little imperfections you can see. I always find if I have one nail that no matter what I do looks a mess I wipe the colour coat off with a little bit of dsperse on a lint free pad, go on to do the other nails, allowing for the nail to dry, then go back and do the colour coat again rather than wasting my time trying to make a bad job good.

I've been doing that and find that by the time the lamp goes out, I've reached the 2nd/3rd finger most times. I do occasionally beat the lamp, then check my work, as I think I must have missed bits if I've finished first! Dirty doubt :irked:

The precision polishing is a great tutorial, so I won't repeat what's already on there, but remember get the sides nice and straight and have the beautiful rounded sweep at the bottom good to go from the first time you apply the colour. I always take just a little bit longer on my first coat of colour to get it right, making the subsequent colour and topcoat a lot quicker and easier to apply.

Is that because you're using the first colour coat as a guide?

You can have your client who has shellac and brisa lite smoothing come back after three weeks that's fine. A lot of my clients won't go longer than two however because they don't like the regrowth after two. Shellac on it's own I book them in 2 weeks after, Brisa Lite Smoothing either two or three based on clients preference.

I've invited her back for some Vinylux in between as practise for me and to change up her colour.

Thanks again HappyFeet :hug: xx
 
OK so next time try, wrap all ten (remembering to time 10 mins from the first wrap going on) then remove wrap, remove Shellac, place a bead of CA on the nail then go on to the next until you've done that to all ten fingers. Then you can either file and remove cuticle or remove cuticle then file (either way round it doesn't matter), wipe of the excess CA and move on to the next finger. Then remove with soap and water (as said I use a manicure brush to help get any moisture out of the sidewalls) and dry with a lint free wipe. Get the client to check her nail shape and length and away you go. By having the CA on for a bit longer it makes it easier for the cuticle to just lift of the plate, so no cuticle removing faffery ;)

One or two pumps is fine, just make sure the pad is saturating without flooding the wrap itself so it's all over you and the client lol!

Yes I suppose you could think of it as a guide. I take that bit of extra time on the first coat and then its much easier for the second coat to go on as you know where to place your brush etc. You've already created the shape, it's then about getting full coverage of the colour with the second coat.

Good for you lovely! I saw your picture in the critique, I wish I could have polished that well when I started, I look back at old photos of mine and think jesus did someone actually pay me £25 to do that lmao! So just keep at it and your timings will improve, along with technique as your confidence grows. :) xxx
 

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