angel fingers
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i'm very intrigued as to WHY it takes longer to soak off after 14 days. what changes?
Shellac why cant we rebalance?
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Vetty
Lost and happy geek!
Also I think some people have missed the point about toenails - the reason my clients want gel or Minx toes is so have a flawless look for 4 - 6 weeks at a time. My clients will not be prepared to have their toes re-done every 2 weeks, especially when they will still look perfect 2 weeks on.....
mrs o
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I put Red Baroness Shellac on my good friend (who NEVER does anything with her nails) 4 weeks ago.I did not have time to take it off,so she continued to wear it as her own nails dont really grow so well and she was thrilled with the length and strength.
It had grown so far out,I thought it was awful!!!
Anyway I removed it in 10 mins on Sunday,it came off easily enough,but because it had been left on too long there was slight staining on her nails.I used a Koala Buffer and gently filed off the stain and it was perfect.On Monday she phoned and txted me-when can I put it on again?
She is lost(her words) without Shellac!!!
It had grown so far out,I thought it was awful!!!
Anyway I removed it in 10 mins on Sunday,it came off easily enough,but because it had been left on too long there was slight staining on her nails.I used a Koala Buffer and gently filed off the stain and it was perfect.On Monday she phoned and txted me-when can I put it on again?
She is lost(her words) without Shellac!!!
Velveteen
Well-Known Member
Having played with it at the Melbourne Expo and still wearing Red Baroness, to me, it's a nail polish but with a fine and longlasting finish. I do note though that while 2 weeks was the recommended time limit, there was no advice about it being more difficult to remove past that time. I am nearing the four week mark with mine so we'll see. That said, the colour is still as beautiful as the day it was applied.
I think your exasperation, Geeg, is something that is shared and is a classic reaction to a viral marketing campaign that has blown way out of control. I'm over it and the product launches here aren't for another two weeks!
I think your exasperation, Geeg, is something that is shared and is a classic reaction to a viral marketing campaign that has blown way out of control. I'm over it and the product launches here aren't for another two weeks!
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
If your clients want to wear Shellac for 6 weeks on toes then let them .. they wont be disappointed, but it will take longer to soak off.
Unfortunately it was only the colour that soaked off and NOT all the way to the base coat which is why you saw the stain ON THE BASE COAT layer that was still on the nail (even if you think it wasn't lol). Shellac will not stain the nails. After such a long time it would require more time for the acetone to penetrate all the way through to the base coat for complete removal.
Shellac is designed to come off completely in 10 minutes of soaking time. That 10 minutes is the time it takes for the acetone remover to reptate down through the tiny tunnels in the product to the crucial base coat layer that contains the quick release polymers for fast and complete removal.
The longer the client leaves Shellac on, the longer it takes for the remover to completely reptate through the tiny tunnels (now even more tiny) all the way to the base coat layer to completely release it from the surface.
You did ask!! CND always teach the science behind the products so that technicians understand WHY?
Like any product that has gel-like qualities, Shellac will go on curing and changing all the time it is on, so you can't expect it to behave after 6 weeks in the same way that we know it will after 2. That doesn't mean that clients can't wear it for 6 weeks if they want to as long as they and the technician is aware that removal time will take longer. I hope this explanation has helped.
I can only imagine how Red Baroness or Fedora will look on the 4 week grown nail! Half way up? Or will not look like French on some people? It really depends how fast the nail grows! My nails need done every week with Shellac cause they grow like weeds. And I am not sitting there with a half covered nail trying to sell it to someone.
I said it many times - my reputation is walking around on my clients fingers! And I do not want Edinburgh full with clients whose nails look like they needed done 2 weeks ago.
Shellac is NOT a replacement for your coloured gels!
The point is you want to make money, more money! Shellac opens doors for people who may never had a professional manicure with a colour. Why rant about something it is not meant to be?
Why don't just enjoy the innovation and increase your income !
I said it many times - my reputation is walking around on my clients fingers! And I do not want Edinburgh full with clients whose nails look like they needed done 2 weeks ago.
Shellac is NOT a replacement for your coloured gels!
The point is you want to make money, more money! Shellac opens doors for people who may never had a professional manicure with a colour. Why rant about something it is not meant to be?
Why don't just enjoy the innovation and increase your income !
angel fingers
Well-Known Member
so these little tunnels close up tighter because the product is curing more fully ?
i love the science bit !
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
Yep!
Vetty
Lost and happy geek!
Thanks Gigi, the science bit makes perfect sense and helps me to understand how the product will behave on the nail...... Perfect!
Urban Geek
Mobile Nail technician
Sorry if I am being rather dim but once a produce is cured, is it not cured? What I am trying to say is that surely it won't go on curing beyond 2 weeks?
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
Do you think I would make that statement if it were not true?? Christine???
Of course it does and so do L&P enhancements ... look upon it as ageing if you like. Products not only go on curing (albeit slowly) but also change in nature ... become more brittle, yellow etc. In some low end products it happens allot more quickly than in high end products.
Urban Geek
Mobile Nail technician
It isn't that I think you would make false statements at all Gigi, I was just checking that my understanding was correct.
With the other products I use, whether it be CND L&P or Biosculpture, I don't find that they are harder to soak off the longer they are on unless I did maintenance on them and they were thicker than the original set. Hence my confusion.
I just like to fully understand the pros and cons of a product and have realistic expectations before I invest in it.
Thank you xx:hug:
All UV gels continue to cure, however it is subtle and slight as 99.9% of curing is done during application. This is why a lot of Gels can yellow and/or become brittle over time. Most manufacturers will design both L&P and gels so that the average user won't see these signs until (in theory) the product has grown out.
Think of it as cooking the perfect medium rare Fillet Mignon and putting it in a warmer till later. The warmer will indeed keep it from getting cols, but it will also slow cook it (albeit at a very slow pace) If left long enough, your medium rare dinner will eventually become well done
Think of it as cooking the perfect medium rare Fillet Mignon and putting it in a warmer till later. The warmer will indeed keep it from getting cols, but it will also slow cook it (albeit at a very slow pace) If left long enough, your medium rare dinner will eventually become well done
Urban Geek
Mobile Nail technician
All UV gels continue to cure, however it is subtle and slight as 99.9% of curing is done during application. This is why a lot of Gels can yellow and/or become brittle over time. Most manufacturers will design both L&P and gels so that the average user won't see these signs until (in theory) the product has grown out.
Think of it as cooking the perfect medium rare Fillet Mignon and putting it in a warmer till later. The warmer will indeed keep it from getting cols, but it will also slow cook it (albeit at a very slow pace) If left long enough, your medium rare dinner will eventually become well done
I'm hungry now Sam! Thanks xx
quote by geeg
Like any product that has gel-like qualities, Shellac will go on curing and changing all the time it is on, so you can't expect it to behave after 6 weeks in the same way that we know it will after 2. That doesn't mean that clients can't wear it for 6 weeks if they want to as long as they and the technician is aware that removal time will take longer. I hope this explanation has helped.
yes it has helped me, only got shellac deliverd sat, love it, so do my clients everyone happy as larry that they had shiny shiny colour, no drying time etc. done approx 7 ladies, then today someone wanted a file and polish just a walk in. so off i went with my expanation of shellac price etc. if she booked in 2weeks time we would soak off (free) and apply change of colour what ever... client! but what if i dont book for 2 weeks ?what if i leave on 4. what if i just want it soaking off. then i said we will charge a small fee for taking off after the 2 weeks. she said that wasn't fair. arrrggggg .but now i know a bit of science behind shellac watch me go next time someone says that.
things is you could give blood sweat and tears and sometimes that wouldnt be enough.
janice
Like any product that has gel-like qualities, Shellac will go on curing and changing all the time it is on, so you can't expect it to behave after 6 weeks in the same way that we know it will after 2. That doesn't mean that clients can't wear it for 6 weeks if they want to as long as they and the technician is aware that removal time will take longer. I hope this explanation has helped.
yes it has helped me, only got shellac deliverd sat, love it, so do my clients everyone happy as larry that they had shiny shiny colour, no drying time etc. done approx 7 ladies, then today someone wanted a file and polish just a walk in. so off i went with my expanation of shellac price etc. if she booked in 2weeks time we would soak off (free) and apply change of colour what ever... client! but what if i dont book for 2 weeks ?what if i leave on 4. what if i just want it soaking off. then i said we will charge a small fee for taking off after the 2 weeks. she said that wasn't fair. arrrggggg .but now i know a bit of science behind shellac watch me go next time someone says that.
things is you could give blood sweat and tears and sometimes that wouldnt be enough.
janice
