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Which is why I already said that the only way to prevent such beautification of children was to ban it
Jacqui xx
OOPS, my bad... I was speed reading. Yes, that is one way to prevent it.
Simply, there is no need except to satisfy the parents own selfish needs for attention.
BINGO!!
"Look how pretty my girl is"....
I also raise the example of my daughter that would choose me pushing her on the swing at the park versus sitting still to get her nails done.
She only wants to spend time with ME.... so if the option were nails vs nothing (in place of park), she'd choose the manicure.
I think that's what happening in a lot of cases, as well.
For the purpose of this debate I have pondered on the drug dealer. Even if we remove the morals this is a buy and sell activity that results in prison if caught. Which again supports my previous theory that the only way to prevent the beautification of children is to ban it.
Although drugs are banned yet there is still massive demand for it.
Because someone supplies a demand does not make them responsible.
Everyone can choose.
In this case the individual. In the case of the Lolita Effect the Mother.
Jacqui
So IF the dealer is innocent and not responsible, then why is he going to prison?
Having pondered for some time on the unsavoury business of drug dealers and having to remove all moral responsibility from the issue, I have come to the conclusion that most issues/dilemmas DO require our own moral intervention.
Without it, anything goes and nothing matters.
There are plenty of things deemed illegal, wrong or bad and people commit such acts every day everywhere in the world.
The difficulty comes in not putting our own morals and judgements onto other people who have a different set to our own ... the drug dealer who may be simply trying to support his three children or the mother who wants to beautify her child.
Morals vhunter, I just don't think you can get away from them.
Although I feel I have tried quite hard to provide an answer to your questions based on logic not morals.
What do you think, in fact you have yet to answer your own questions ... ? Where are they lol
Jacqui xx
AHHH HAAAAAAAAAAA
The lightbulb goes on :green:
Ok, now that I've had a few replies, I'll explain why I kept saying morals are irrelevant to this discussion.
I said it because whenever issues of this nature are brought up on geek, everyone is either A) arguing morals, and it gets ugly OR B)saying morals have nothing to do with it, that we're just doing our jobs. That we have nothing to say on the matter.
So, IF IT'S TRUE that we have nothing to say on the matter and that our personal beliefs shouldn't enter into it, THEN morals are irrelevant.
HOWEVER, some people are proving that Morals are INDEED relevant.
As with ANYTHING that is wrong with in this society; until someone spoke up and said it was wrong, until people unified as a group against it, it didn't change. (and without quoting history to everyone, I'm sure you're all quite capable of compiling that list yourselves).
As you could see from the links I posted - people are already crying out against it. The results of the "Lolita Effect" are everywhere.
Well, I'm pretty sure my opinion on the whole issue is easy enough to see :lol:
I'll try to keep it brief, but here goes:
A) Our contributions to the "Lolita Effect" as
professionals are:
- Offering services such as Pamper Parties (which I'm SERIOUSLY considering removing from my menu) which target children specifically.
- Marketing our services to the general public (which by default targets the children as well, because Monkey see/Monkey do, they want to be like Mom), by doing so saying "Beauty is important!", and in the grand scheme of things it's not.
- and the list goes on.
B) YES we are responsible for contributing to the effect. For reasons above.
Separate from the questions and separate from the professional angle; I'm also responsible as an individual and as a Mother.
The act of wearing makeup and applying it in front of my children.
Giving them grief for not wearing colours that match, creating a concern within them about making sure their clothes are nice.
Colouring my hair because I don't like how blonde makes me look (of course, been at it for 20yrs, it's darker now)
I've had cosmetic surgery due to my OWN insecurities that were fed by my own family's taunting of me as a teen, and by media and magazines.
Again, the list goes on.....
All little things on their own, but at the end of the day; the message I'm sending to my children is that I don't think I am beautiful by myself without all of that hooplah.
Not feeling very proud of myself at the moment.
How will my children believe that they are beautiful, without all of that fuss if I don't show them how to believe it DESPITE the media?
Will anything I say matter?
The old expression "do as I say, and not as I do" seems rather ridiculous right about now.
I don't see anything wrong with a therapist refusing treatments for their own reasons it is their decision guided by there own moral compass, as they say it takes a village to raise a child & if more parents did there job properly we wouldn't be having this conversation IT'S OK TO SAY NO TO YOUR CHILDREN!!
Exactly one of my points I've mentioned before in another thread. As a part of society, we do share some responsibility; on both personal and professional sides of the coin.:green:
I am "society", you are "society", we all collectively make up "society"! Even magazine articles are written and published by people like you and me, "society"!
If something exists in society, it is because people like you and I have created it. Someone like you, designed a pair of heals for a 5yr old, and someone like you bought them for their 5 yr old.
We, the people, have the powers, we just rarely use them, and to sit on the fringes and point a finger at "society" will not help!
DITTO!!!