Ugly duck nails

[1999judy]

You all can read into the posts whatever you want (just as we can I suppose) but when someone posts a link to specific pictures or a page with pictures on them and then you get responses where people have said that they look like the tech didn't know what they were doing or that they look 'dreadful', then YES, you're putting down a specific person. That's just rude, IMO.

I agree that these boards are all about sharing opinions and helping others out but putting them down doesn't help. If you dont' like the nails that's fine. We're not all going to like everything. That's the way of the world whether you live here in the states or 'across the pond'. It's just funny though. I've seen this so many times on this board and it's the very reason I don't frequent this board much. If you don't do a certain style or use a certain brand and voice preferred choices on this board, you're torn down. I've had replies about this when I've brought this up before and have been told in no uncertain terms that this does NOT happen on this board when in fact it really does. I guess you have to take those blinders off to truly see it.

I started this thread to get techs opinions from all over the world. To see where they originated and to see where they are popular and why.
I suggest you don't frequent this board at all if you don't like to get other members opinions on such a basic matter as a nail shape!!
I think you are taking the thread out of context to be bluntly honest.

 

[pearlmunroe]

what are flared nails?!...

 

[HopePGH]

I started this thread to get techs opinions from all over the world. To see where they originated and to see where they are popular and why.
I suggest you don't frequent this board at all if you don't like to get other members opinions on such a basic matter as a nail shape!!
I think you are taking the thread out of context to be bluntly honest.

Well, there is that phrase about opinions. "Opinions are like......" That phrase in its entirety isn’t worth repeating, but the sentiment lives on.

 

[doiamailbox]

I will admit that the flare nails is not my cup of tea, however if I have a request for it I would do it with no hesitant because I dedicate to provide the best service to anyone that treat me, and willing to pay me for the professional that I'm, because I dedicate to technical and artistic brilliance. That mean that I have the technical skill to do the flare, and the artistic vision to make all ten nails look exactly the same. So is not your cup of tea, but can you actually do it?

I don't see a forum with flare nail artist bashing any one else works, but far too often I see them try to defend them self, or in some case leaving a forum and never post any of there works. If you look past the shape you may notice some incredible art in them, and you may even find inspiration for your interpretation/preference of a good looking nails.:cry:

It's one thing to post a poll on the flare nails, but calling it ugly duck nails is plaint wrong. This is the work of someone that proud and take pride in it just like we do with our works, and they have a full books of clients that love what they do, in fact if anyone care to ask I can point you to some of the artist that make upward to $500 a day doing not thing but flare. Guess what you will never see them here to answers the questions of how, when, where, and why the flare nail. In this industry if you ask the best of the best, who do you watch, you will find that most will say every body.

This post is a wast of time, it does not thing to improve you as a professional, and it is setting boundaries for our industry.

No boundaries, just possibility.
J Pham

 

[1999judy]

I will admit that the flare nails is not my cup of tea, So you admit you don't like them either then? however if I have a request for it I would do it with no hesitant because I dedicate to provide the best service to anyone that treat me, and willing to pay me for the professional that I'm, because I dedicate to technical and artistic brilliance. That mean that I have the technical skill to do the flare, and the artistic vision to make all ten nails look exactly the same. So is not your cup of tea, but can you actually do it?
Yes usually my sets of nails have 10 that look the same...thats part of the job isn't it?

I don't see a forum with flare nail artist bashing any one else works, but far too often I see them try to defend them self, or in some case leaving a forum and never post any of there works. If you look past the shape you may notice some incredible art in them, and you may even find inspiration for your interpretation/preference of a good looking nails.:cry:
No one has mentioned the artwork it's the shape we're talking about here..

It's one thing to post a poll on the flare nails, but calling it ugly duck nails is plaint wrong.
If you read the WHOLE thread you would understand the meaning of the title.
Go to page 1 and begin again.

This is the work of someone that proud and take pride in it just like we do with our works, and they have a full books of clients that love what they do, in fact if anyone care to ask I can point you to some of the artist that make upward to $500 a day doing not thing but flare. Guess what you will never see them here to answers the questions of how, when, where, and why the flare nail. In this industry if you ask the best of the best, who do you watch, you will find that most will say every body.
Not quite sure what you are talking about?? Who is the best in the industry??

This post is a wast of time, it does not thing to improve you as a professional, and it is setting boundaries for our industry.
Yes I agree your post is a waste of time.
The thread however is quite interesting reading though

No boundaries, just possibility.
J Pham

No-one is setting any boundaries are they?

 

[CurlyQs]

What's worse is when you see the moderators throw in their two cents and say the things that have been said, ie: referring to needing a puking emoticon, that they are 'dreadful', and that it must be for someone who CAN'T do nails.

It amazes me that someone even posts that they would have to reevaluate their feelings towards Pink simply because she might wear the flared style of nails. Oh please.

The thing is, the comments you have pointed out, like the need for a puking emoticon were posted before a specific tech's link was added. It was a comment about a shape, not about a specific set of nails or specific tech. Since those comments were not 'proper noun' related, I don't see that it breaks any of the forum commandments. A link to specific work wasn't even added 'til page 3.

I'm pretty sure the Pink comment was said in jest!

Although, now that specific work has been posted (ie. proper noun alert), and this isn't the 'nail critique' section, I agree that we do need to consider our comments in a different light.....

 

[1999judy]

Well, there is that phrase about opinions. "Opinions are like......" That phrase in its entirety isn’t worth repeating, but the sentiment lives on.

Very true. We all have opinions about work. No-one is saying that an opinion is right or wrong it is simply an opinion.
People who chose to post their pics in this thread.....that was their choice. If they feel insulted in any way they can choose to delete their posts.
Just to throw some light on opinions.....we consider our work as our ART yes?? So you WILL ALWAYS get different opinions.
YouTube - Creature Comforts USA - Art

 

[Snugglepuss]

I feel saddened when I read a thread and you can feel the tension between various opinions!

THIS IS NOT INTENDED FOR ANYONE PERSONALLY

As I said earlier in the thread, these are not my favourite nail shape HOWEVER has anyone thought that -

A) How hard it is to apply flare nails if you have only been taught to bring the side walls in? You would find it difficult to retrain your brain to "think out of the box". Therefore, if you can already apply these sort of nails it is a bonus, if requested!

B) If you can only do these nails and have plenty of clients who request the style, then what is the problem? Again, if you would be open to trying different shapes if asked, clients will give you a chance - if not they will find someone else!

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but it doesn't mean that they are right or wrong for their opinion - it just makes it different (in some cases) to the one you/I personally believe/hold.

Sometimes it is good to challenge our opinions and look beyond them, I for one can see some fantastic workmanship in some of the flare nails - just like I can in stiletto, fantasy and pink and whites. However, it also works the same way for the opposite, some flares, stilettos, fantasy and pink and whites are not worthy of being called enhancements if done poorly or incorrectly!

As creativity, is one of a nail technicians attributes, no one should be criticised for trying something new or different and if a technicians work needs critique, then make it positive!

Happy geeking folks :hug:

 

[sian1979]

whats the difference between saying you dont like flares as opposed to other nail shapes and saying you dont like stilletto/ square likewise..... i personally felt glad that this thread was posted as have had many discussions with others on here about this shape nail so was glad to hear what the opinions were....as i am sure that is what judys intention was.
I also feel that if you do not wish for people to comment on pictures then dont post them on a website for all to see because people are going to pass judgement on them....i wouldnt say that anyone has given a critique on them.
i wouldnt say that i was a fan of them but i have seen some done quite well....there is a link to someones critique on here somewhere.....the nails are well balanced and a more suitable length in comparison to some examples that i have seen.

 

[littlegrohl]

hmm .. does seem some people take it very personally.. i adore ..(love) stilletos and wear them often (always).. some people who see mine say .. "oh they suit you but not for me.." some have even said.. "Yuck.. give me square pls".. I dont throw my toys out the pram and stamp my feet and say.. how dare you put down my talent.. my design blah blah blah.. i respect their opinion and do what i do best.. NAILS!

some things are just not for everyone...

 

[ValencianNails]

Also if you client wants them are you going to say no? :smack:

Personally, I would say no. I was taught to enhance natural nails and in my personal opinion the shape does not enhance the natural nail.

It's really sad to come on here and read posts like this.
It's sad to read posts where technicians from all over the world are expressing their opinion on a nail shape? Why is it so sad, I don't understand your way of thinking!

What's worse is when you see the moderators throw in their two cents and say the things that have been said, ie: referring to needing a puking emoticon, that they are 'dreadful', and that it must be for someone who CAN'T do nails.
It was a personal opinion and wasn't directed to anyone in particular.

Nanny does beautiful nails and just because YOU don't like the shape doesn't make her a bad tech...PERIOD. There have been some really hurtful things said in this thread and then to single out a specific person is just wrong.
I disagree, nobody has been hurtful or singled out anyone, maybe you need to re-read the thread.

I'm sure I'll get some nasty comments about this post but that's fine. If we all liked the same things, wouldn't this be a boring world? That's the beauty of it all. We all like what WE like.
And we're ALL ENTITLED to our own OPINION on what we find attractive, beautiful, distasteful or any other description you care to use.

Nope, no nasty comments, just opinions, as you said, if we all liked the same thing the world would be a boring place :!:

I thought these nail forums were for tech to share ideas, network and learn. I agree with Bengalcat, and I will say that some of the comments on here have been flat out TACKY and rude. If a tech is going to share her creativity here then show some class through your comments. If they are not what you like, does that make them ugly? Who's to say what's right and wrong in an industry where individuality and creativity are prime factors. Think outside of your box for a minute.

You're right, forums are where we share ideas and opinions, and as per usual, when there is a sway in opinion against a particular style there are always some people who can't stand to see someone disagreeing with their opinion.

I agree that these boards are all about sharing opinions and helping others out but putting them down doesn't help. If you dont' like the nails that's fine. We're not all going to like everything. That's the way of the world whether you live here in the states or 'across the pond'. It's just funny though. I've seen this so many times on this board and it's the very reason I don't frequent this board much. If you don't do a certain style or use a certain brand and voice preferred choices on this board, you're torn down. I've had replies about this when I've brought this up before and have been told in no uncertain terms that this does NOT happen on this board when in fact it really does. I guess you have to take those blinders off to truly see it.

Would you have preferred to read 130 replies of "oooh gorgeous", "I love them", "fab nails" etc etc when in fact those replies would have been outright lies?

I disagree completely about this forum being a certain style or brand choice, take a look around properly and you will see that we have technicians from all over the world using umpteen different brands and showing umpteen different nail shapes and styles... are we expected to love all of them?

 

[adelekeegan1]

I have refrained until now but I will say that I find these nails ugly, clumsy, and the total opposite of what anyone I know would want to wear.

To be honest, when I first saw them I thought they were some sort of joke for a fancy dress party maybe.

I equally dislike long stilleto nails, particularly with 3d nail art.

But these are just my opinion, which I am entitled to as is everyone else on this forum.

The very fact that this forum supports and encourages people to voice their opinions and give critique in a civilized manner is why I am here and not on other forums.

 

[1999judy]

I notice this post has made quite an impact on other boards so anyone who wants to make comments please feel free in this thread. No-one is saying any particular techs work is bad so take a chill pill and reply to the thread CONSTRUCTIVELY.
Nanny ....I think you are a good tech and some things may have been taken out of context here but I think it IS good that techs from the states tell us EXACTLY why these nails are so popular in the US because atm they are not popular here at all.
I don't want this thread to be closed or to close it because we all respect each other and their opinion.
I love a good debate and that's what we're doing here.
I don't really like to visit other sites and be thought bad of!! So if you have an opinion please tell us.
I STILL don't know where this style originates but I gather from you guys in the states it's a big thing over there.
WHY?? was everyone bored of square?? Did it become a new idea for the teenagers?
PLEASE let us know.

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

Judy I asked for the same on the other thread,
I WANT to be educated on these nails...and on any other type I am not used to ...
Why ? because Nails is my job so I want to know everything I can about them...

Personally I do not like the flared nails, that doesn't make me a bad or an ignorant technician...
Most of us understand that things are different in different places,

Now on some of the flared nails I have seen...to me they do not look structurally correct at all....
Many are top heavy little nail plate showing and very very thick ( I do understand now that they need to be thick to withstand impact)
I have seen a LOT of pictures of these nails where there is obvious natural nail damage, this shows to me that if that client is a regular for flared nails,
Then either the application has NOT been done correctly....OR that there has been damage from the previous sets breaking off with some force.

This to me is NOT how nails should be....But I don't live in a place where flares are popular, so have no need as of yet to like them or to do them...

I do have to admit however that I am VERY tempted to have a go...
WHY Emmsy I hear you say .........
lol I'll tell you why...
To see for myself exactly how much "talent" is needed to create these, bearing in mind it go's against everything I have been taught lol...

I find it really sad that on the other board people feel the need to say such horrible things about "us on the other side of the fence lol"
As mentioned on this thread no specifics were mentioned...
a person decided to post on a thread that was about a dislike for the nails..
I wondered whether the reaction was to "convert us"
But now after reading other threads, My understanding is to shock us lmao...
WHY,...WHY....WHY !!!!

What is the point honestly ?
Why bother coming over to shock why not come over and join in... and we can all learn something of each other ...

You will NEVER get something everyone loves ...
As Adele mentioned a few posts up,..she doesn't like stiletto nails with 3d art,
Whereas I have done many sets of these ...now does this mean I think she is ignorant ....hell no !
Adele is cool and well educated ....(no big heads Adele...your hats wont fit :green

Arguing isn't gonna get anyone anywhere...sure its fun for 5 minutes for some...But again what is the point.
I saw comments on the other board saying how we picked on certain people blah blah...then the people on there more or less proceeded to do the same with a member from here..pot kettle black !.

I suggest you all stop acting like you are angels over there.....
You post as if you are in a tight little bubble and no one else can see,

If you post on here and ask what people think...we will tell you !
you have asked for it, you will get it...
The moto over there seems to be "if you cant say something nice don't say it at all"
with us it is more along the lines of "honesty is the key "
not nasty...but honest...

(jeez fingers are sore !)

 

[HopePGH]

I notice this post has made quite an impact on other boards so anyone who wants to make comments please feel free in this thread. No-one is saying any particular techs work is bad so take a chill pill and reply to the thread CONSTRUCTIVELY.
Nanny ....I think you are a good tech and some things may have been taken out of context here but I think it IS good that techs from the states tell us EXACTLY why these nails are so popular in the US because atm they are not popular here at all.
I don't want this thread to be closed or to close it because we all respect each other and their opinion.
I love a good debate and that's what we're doing here.
I don't really like to visit other sites and be thought bad of!! So if you have an opinion please tell us.
I STILL don't know where this style originates but I gather from you guys in the states it's a big thing over there.
WHY?? was everyone bored of square?? Did it become a new idea for the teenagers?
PLEASE let us know.

Judy I don't think they are big in the US. I live in Pennsylvania and I have never seen them here. Maybe we can add another question, I would love to know just how popular they are. US Techs are flared nails popular where you live???

 

[~Emmsybabes~]

Judy I don't think they are big in the US. I live in Pennsylvania and I have never seen them here. Maybe we can add another question, I would love to know just how popular they are. US Techs are flared nails popular where you live???

Good point actually hun,
I for one am presuming these are massive in usa but only because I have read it from a couple of people,
It would be interesting to somehow find out just how popular lol,

Like here I suppose, one persons bread and butter is glitter tips and natural look nails are "boring" whereas a town away ..natural are fantastic
and glitter tips are sheer madness ...

 

[AllTheRage]

I have refrained until now but I will say that I find these nails ugly, clumsy, and the total opposite of what anyone I know would want to wear.

To be honest, when I first saw them I thought they were some sort of joke for a fancy dress party maybe.

I equally dislike long stilleto nails, particularly with 3d nail art.

But these are just my opinion, which I am entitled to as is everyone else on this forum.

The very fact that this forum supports and encourages people to voice their opinions and give critique in a civilized manner is why I am here and not on other forums.

Ok, this is the deal. A lot of people have been coming to my defense when in fact I have taken a lot of comments from SalonGeek with a grain of salt. I realize that not everybody will like the flare nail and I am ok with that. I think a lot of people in the USA are offended with comments like ugly, clumsy and so on. Personally I think comments like ugly and clumsy can be a bit harsh but at the same time I don't really care because I know who I am and what I am able to do as a nail tech. All I have to say is dare to be different! Offer the flare to your clients and see what happens. If you are comfortable with what you do for your clients, then that's ok also. But like you and everybody else on whatever board, this is just my opinion. I haven't taken offense and hopefully you will not either. One more thing... to critique with words like "ugly and clumsy" is not to critique in a civilized manner, IMO.

Nanny

 

[1999judy]

Ok, this is the deal. A lot of people have been coming to my defense when in fact I have taken a lot of comments from SalonGeek with a grain of salt. I realize that not everybody will like the flare nail and I am ok with that. I think a lot of people in the USA are offended with comments like ugly, clumsy and so on. Personally I think comments like ugly and clumsy can be a bit harsh but at the same time I don't really care because I know who I am and what I am able to do as a nail tech. All I have to say is dare to be different! Offer the flare to your clients and see what happens. If you are comfortable with what you do for your clients, then that's ok also. But like you and everybody else on whatever board, this is just my opinion. I haven't taken offense and hopefully you will not either. One more thing... to critique with words like "ugly and clumsy" is not to critique in a civilized manner, IMO.

Nanny

Nanny... if you know me at all you will know I LOVE nail art.
Thankyou for your honesty and I really didn't mean to offend anyone, like I said at the start. I just wonder about how it originates and why x:hug:

 

[AllTheRage]

Good point actually hun,
I for one am presuming these are massive in usa but only because I have read it from a couple of people,
It would be interesting to somehow find out just how popular lol,

Like here I suppose, one persons bread and butter is glitter tips and natural look nails are "boring" whereas a town away ..natural are fantastic
and glitter tips are sheer madness ...

Hello again Emmsy,
I do the flare where I am at and have been since the early 90's. I am located in Tulare Ca., which is Central California. All I know is that a Vicki Peters, Who I think resides in California, once mentioned that it started in Orange County which is the Los Angeles area. Again, when I first started doing nails I saw someone with the flared nail and I liked it and started doing them on my self. The rest is history. Please hear me when I say that one must actually see them in person in order to really admire them. These digital pictures really do no justice. The pictures pick up any imperfection. Imperfections that you didn't know were there but could tell with the pictures.

Nanny

 

[AllTheRage]

Nanny... if you know me at all you will know I LOVE nail art.
Thankyou for your honesty and I really didn't mean to offend anyone, like I said at the start. I just wonder about how it originates and why x:hug:

It's all good! Thanx.:wink2: