Why does the acrylic lift so fast?

[mog85]

Hi,

I hope it's ok to post here, I'm not trained in nails (although I'm competent on my own and others for fun ) but I have a question that I thought I'd ask the professionals!

I used to get acrylic sculpts done on my nails but within 24 hours, they would start to go pale around the edges and lift. I asked the lady about it but she didn't really have an answer for me or a solution...
So I stopped getting it done, i wasn't happy paying near £40 every two weeks for them not looking as nice as other peoples nails.

I have really missed having nice nails and am desperate to try them again, but now I'm thinking I should try gel nails or just normal acrylic nails as opposed to the sculpts. Does anyone have any advice?

I've already found another salon i'm happy to try out, I just don't know what to ask for.

Any advice would be great! I know everyone's nails are different, but I'd say mine are in good healthy condition with a moderate curve to them (if that helps lol).

Mog85

 

[angel fingers]

lifting is generally down to poor preparation, if the nail isnt thoroughly prepared then you will definately get lifting.

poor application will be the next most likely reason.

if you go to a salon to get them done again, the best question you can ask is how much experience your technician has had. look for someone who has at least a year of experience as they will most likely have sorted out their problems by then. let the tech advise you as to the type of enhancement that will suit you best.
this is just a general guide, nothing can be guaranteed.
the best way to find a tech is by recomendation.

 

[oey]

lifting is generally down to poor preparation, if the nail isnt thoroughly prepared then you will definately get lifting.

poor application will be the next most likely reason.

if you go to a salon to get them done again, the best question you can ask is how much experience your technician has had. look for someone who has at least a year of experience as they will most likely have sorted out their problems by then. let the tech advise you as to the type of enhancement that will suit you best.
this is just a general guide, nothing can be guaranteed.
the best way to find a tech is by recomendation.

I agree that lifting is normally down to poor prep. However, why does a tech who has less than 12 months experience necessarily have this problem more than one more experienced. If we recommended all clients to go to someone with over 12 months experience then we will never learn!

 

[angel fingers]

yeah, i see what you mean, it was probably a bad choice of words.:irked:

what i mean is a more experienced tech will be more likely to have got to the stage in their learning where they wont be having lifting problems any more.
lots of tech under 1 year may have this problem sorted too, especially if they have had good training.i know it took me about a year to sort things out satisfactorily.

does that make a bit more sense ?

 

[oey]

yeah, i see what you mean, it was probably a bad choice of words.:irked:

what i mean is a more experienced tech will be more likely to have got to the stage in their learning where they wont be having lifting problems any more.
lots of tech under 1 year may have this problem sorted too, especially if they have had good training.i know it took me about a year to sort things out satisfactorily.

does that make a bit more sense ?

I know it is a difficult dilemma when you want a good job done - I suppose I see it differently since i trained in nails and beauty and wanted to be given a chance to learn and practice doing a good job. I have been lucky that I have managed to get some work in a salon that has given me this opportunity and encouragement.

 

[beauty bubble]

i used to have creative nails done,and no matter where i went they would never stay on for long,even now with gel nails ,but i prefer the gel nails.
i do the gel myself so im not wasting my money in salons anymore.

 

[oey]

i used to have creative nails done,and no matter where i went they would never stay on for long,even now with gel nails ,but i prefer the gel nails.
i do the gel myself so im not wasting my money in salons anymore.

We need to remember that some people have more lifting than others - i presume this is because of more natural oil produced through their nails - please experts - is this true?

 

[angel fingers]

I know it is a difficult dilemma when you want a good job done - I suppose I see it differently since i trained in nails and beauty and wanted to be given a chance to learn and practice doing a good job. I have been lucky that I have managed to get some work in a salon that has given me this opportunity and encouragement.

thats great, salon experience is invaluable.
i did 1/2 price sets on models in a salon for ages.

 

[izzidoll]

Lifting in the majority of cases is caused by insufficient prep........mainly by not removing all the non living tissue from the nail plate.....
Newly qualified and inexperienced Tech's can also have lifting problems because of their application..e.g. touching the skin at the cuticle area or sidewalls and not getting a proper seal.....

It does get mentioned on here every so often that oily nailplates are a cause of lifting....and a prep booster like Nailfresh should be used to dehydrate the nailplate....this is not inaccurate!!...........However...
I have never come across any of these clients with oily nail plates....I always do a thorough prep...apply my product ....and I very rarely have any lifting at all.

Geeg has done a thread some while back asking...Who are these clients with the oily nail plates?...here is the link
http://www.thenailgeek.com/main/17753-who-has-all-these-oily-nails.html?highlight=oily

....mainly because it is starting to get used as an excuse for lifting problems....as in..
"It can't be MY prep...it must be HER oily nail plates!!"
HTH

 

[beauty bubble]

ha,ha thats what the salons probably say about me.
im only new at nails so with my gel lifting this is probably my prep but as for the salons i have no idea,i was inexperienced to notice.
where can i get nail fresh from?

 

[angel fingers]

ha,ha thats what the salons probably say about me.
im only new at nails so with my gel lifting this is probably my prep but as for the salons i have no idea,i was inexperienced to notice.
where can i get nail fresh from?

nail fresh is available through the hyperion group.
in the vast majority of cases though, it wont be neccessary once you have managed to master the art of removing all traces of non living tissue from the nail plate. this comes with time. at first, when you think you have done a thorough job, go back and do the same process again as you may be surprised that there are still particles left on the nail plate.

 

[loubylou]

Hi,

I hope it's ok to post here, I'm not trained in nails (although I'm competent on my own and others for fun ) but I have a question that I thought I'd ask the professionals!

I used to get acrylic sculpts done on my nails but within 24 hours, they would start to go pale around the edges and lift. I asked the lady about it but she didn't really have an answer for me or a solution...
So I stopped getting it done, i wasn't happy paying near £40 every two weeks for them not looking as nice as other peoples nails.

I have really missed having nice nails and am desperate to try them again, but now I'm thinking I should try gel nails or just normal acrylic nails as opposed to the sculpts. Does anyone have any advice?

I've already found another salon i'm happy to try out, I just don't know what to ask for.

Any advice would be great! I know everyone's nails are different, but I'd say mine are in good healthy condition with a moderate curve to them (if that helps lol).

Mog85

Hi hun & welcome to the site, if you are so interested in nail enhancement & like you say you can do your own nails it sounds to me like we have another nail tech in the making ,why dont you save yourself the £40.00 a time and get some quality training, you seem like you would enjoy it & it may seem expensive but just weigh the cost against how many sets you would get for the price of been trained well:hug:

 

[mog85]

Hi again, wow thanks so much for the responses! Thankyou to the person for the link to the "oily nails" it was an interesting read too.

The lady who did my nails would file down my nails first and she did use what i believe to be a primer (it dried out the nails she said) so I honestly think it was something in her preperation. She had only been doing Sculpts for less than a year, and I was only one of two clients who would ask for them...

I remember several times the stage where she would dip the brush into the fluid (not sure what it was called) and then into the acrylic powder, she would have to do this again and again sometimes because the amount of fluid was too much, or too little.

I think i'll go to this new salon and see what they recommend.

I would love to train in nails! :green:
I've not got a clue where to start, can someone pm me any info?! It's something I may try in the future.

How hard is it doing your "other" hand though? :lol:
That's what I'd struggle with lol.

 

[angel fingers]

Hi again, wow thanks so much for the responses! Thankyou to the person for the link to the "oily nails" it was an interesting read too.

The lady who did my nails would file down my nails first and she did use what i believe to be a primer (it dried out the nails she said) so I honestly think it was something in her preperation. She had only been doing Sculpts for less than a year, and I was only one of two clients who would ask for them...

I remember several times the stage where she would dip the brush into the fluid (not sure what it was called) and then into the acrylic powder, she would have to do this again and again sometimes because the amount of fluid was too much, or too little.

if all she did was file your nails before she started the application, then chances are it was the prep at fault. and no matter if it tips or sculpts, gel or acrylic l/p, prep is crucial to every application.
i wouldnt worry too much that she repeated her 'dipping ' again and again, as this would at least indicate that she knew what she was looking for in terms of product consistency and wanted to make sure it was just right.

are you positive you did everything you should in terms of aftercare, as it is very much a 2 way partnership between tech and client when you get your nails done.

just trying to view this from all angles.

 

[beauty bubble]

lol it was difficult to do my right hand with my left hand,but with pratice it does get easier,but it takes twice as long on yourself because you cant carry on doing the other hand with gel nails because its under the lamp.

as for training,you need to decide what products you want to use,gel or acrylic?

then whose products,there are so many out there,alot of people use CREATIVE but i use LE CHAT gel nails.
look at there website www.lechatnails.co.uk

good luck.

 

[Debbies Gellies]

Hi, if you have found a salon but are not sure what to have why not ask for a demo ie have one finger done in Gel and another in Acrylic and go away for a week to see what happens and how you cope etc. Even try a couple of salons.
Try not to have them too long in length as that also promotes lifting. HTH

 

[nailzoo]

there are 5 main reasons
1. Lack of education
2. Lack of experience
3. Lack of prep
4. Ignorance of the technician
5. Rarely (oily nailbeds), but it makes for a good excuse when you don't accept any of the above.


Feel free to add others.. but many reasons fall into the above categories

 

[mog85]

Thanks for the link, I've bookmarked it for later

I was very careful with the nails (I have a fear of bending my own nails back anyway, so having artificial ones makes me more careful lol).

It really was a case of within a few hours, the edges looked almost "frosted" compared to the clearness everywhere else. It would get worse with time, then after a week or so, these bits would chip and leave rough edges.

I'll definitely try a different salon and ask for demos, that's a good idea.
Thanks again for all the info and advice!

Mog85

 

[BABSann]

thats great, salon experience is invaluable.
i did 1/2 price sets on models in a salon for ages.

You were very lucky that your employer allowed you to do half price nails for ages.When I first trained I was expected to charge the normal amount and I knew I was crap.It used to upset me so much and I would feel awful about it because I knew the client could go elswhere and get a much better set of nails for a lot cheaper.

 

[Lollysnails]

Hi,
I agree with all the above about prep etc, but over the years I've only had one lady who actually does have oily nail beds and I'm treating her now. She has had three children close together and has a hormone imbalance too. She is having so wash her hair daily. I am giving her regular manicures ATM to build up her natural nail as have been totally honest with her acrylics are just not going to work at all! A good look at your nails and consultation can determine this and stop you wasting your money. I would surgest you try somewhere else to see if it is the techs fault. May I ask you about your hair? How often do you wash it? Have you had a pregnancy resently? This isn't just a theory this is simple fact it can has a massive impact on how the nail acts with acrylic or gel. I've been qualified for many many years and it is like a needle in a haystack but I can tell you it is also very real. If it happens at the next place you go to then I would consider and different treatment. I would appreciate your feed back about the above, as you asking these questions also help us as techs