a collegue has confused me with the use of 3%

[carlalou]

hey lovely people,now this is gonna sound weird but i use wella and at work the other day i said i was gonna use 3% with a colour to take it dark andto that my collegue said " why r u gonna use 3%? that will make the colour a semi" now he has ALOT more experiance than me so im a bit confused but i was always under the impression that colour relaser was for semi colours! can anyone tell me the truth cuz im confused now, i thought 3% was used to take darker beacause there is no lift ( like a semi) but i would think it would grow out rather than fade ( like permanant)???:irked:

 

[-sophisticutz-]

If you use 3% with a permanent colour, mixed 1:1, then it is permanent.
If you use 3% with a semi colour, mixed 1:2, then it is a semi. Semi colours and permanent colours have a different molecule size, that's what differentiates them.

 

[carlalou]

ah thankyou so we were both sort of right then lol! cuz i know some brands of colour u can do this but i wasnt sure exactly thanks xx

 

[lauren89]

If you use 3% with a permanent colour, mixed 1:1, then it is permanent.
If you use 3% with a semi colour, mixed 1:2, then it is a semi. Semi colours and permanent colours have a different molecule size, that's what differentiates them.

I use 3% when going darker but I had this discussion with my tutor the other week, she said using 3% would make it a quasi. X

 

[scottydolly]

i use 3% forsame depth or darker, and sometimes for a deeper grey coverage if it comes out transulcent with 6. . always works a charm x

 

[Sammi74]

yes, i think that 3-4% is a quasi. 6% is used for same depth/darker permanent or so i thought.

 

[VIVA.GLAM]

A 3% in Goldwell makes it darker? So I'm told.

 

[Simba44]

I use 3% when going darker but I had this discussion with my tutor the other week, she said using 3% would make it a quasi. X

4% is quasi.

 

[LauraLush]

This is how I see it.. Semi permanant is a colour that is not mixed with anything - direct. Quasi is a colour that is mixed with a specific developer - no lift, in various brands I've seen 1.9%, 2.7% or some are 4%. I use 3% more than anything else; I think every colour house has its own 'rules' and suggestions, but I personally would never use 6% to darken a colour :S - you don't want to lift at all if you want to deposit a colour to take it darker. This is the beauty of hairdressing isn't it - you never stop learning, everyone has their own opinions and you develop all the time

 

[lauren89]

4% is quasi.

What would 3% be classed as? X

 

[sarahpoppy24]

Just to but in lol. I also use 3% with bleach, on say natural regrowth, as it will lift enough, never used lower though. Just from personal observation, when using a 3% with tint, it will come out slightly darker than say the same tint with a 6%. I use Loreal xx

 

[Simba44]

What would 3% be classed as? X

A 3% is used as permanent mix1:1
And I usually this only clients who are 100% grey as it deposits colour darker to cover the grey.
As for semi in the RIchesse dark colours it's a 4.3% and for the RIchesse pink I use 2.7% but permanent is totally different to semi colours. I know of a developer that can change a permanent to a semi but I don't know how this works as I've never used it.

 

[Sammi74]

now i am confused????!! What about covering 100% grey? manufacturers instructions say to use 6%.

 

[lauren89]

now i am confused????!! What about covering 100% grey? manufacturers instructions say to use 6%.

me to, lol. X

 

[-sophisticutz-]

It is the product i.e. colour, that determines whether it is a semi, quasi or permanent not the peroxide strength.

A semi has larger molecules, so it sits on the hair shaft, a quasi will have a mixture of different sized molecules, some penetrate and some sit on the surface and a permanent has smaller molecules to sit under the cuticle.

The peroxide controls how much the cuticle is opened and how much of the natural pigment is removed, it is an accelerator.

 

[Simba44]

now i am confused????!! What about covering 100% grey? manufacturers instructions say to use 6%.

Yes use a 6% on grey but I have an Indian client who has grey to dead White hair and 6% on her had left some greys translucent with a shade 3 so I've always had to put a 3% on root. For clients who have up to 80-90% grey and don't want to go as dark as a 2 or 3 shade I'd use a 6%

 

[-sophisticutz-]

now i am confused????!! What about covering 100% grey? manufacturers instructions say to use 6%.

Depending on the product and type of grey, you can use 3%, 6% or 9% to cover grey.

If in doubt always refer to your products instruction leaflet or ring the technical helpline.

 

[Simba44]

It is the product i.e. colour, that determines whether it is a semi, quasi or permanent not the peroxide strength.

A semi has larger molecules, so it sits on the hair shaft, a quasi will have a mixture of different sized molecules, some penetrate and some sit on the surface and a permanent has smaller molecules to sit under the cuticle.

The peroxide controls how much the cuticle is opened and how much of the natural pigment is removed, it is an accelerator.

Well explained, wish I put it like this.

 

[lauren89]

It is the product i.e. colour, that determines whether it is a semi, quasi or permanent not the peroxide strength.

A semi has larger molecules, so it sits on the hair shaft, a quasi will have a mixture of different sized molecules, some penetrate and some sit on the surface and a permanent has smaller molecules to sit under the cuticle.

The peroxide controls how much the cuticle is opened and how much of the natural pigment is removed, it is an accelerator.

So if i mixed a permanent and 3% it would still be permanet? What if I did mix it with 4%? Surely that wouldn't make it a quasi by what your saying? X

 

[-sophisticutz-]

So if i mixed a permanent and 3% it would still be permanet? What if I did mix it with 4%? Surely that wouldn't make it a quasi by what your saying? X

Yup, you got it! 4% would still make a permanent, permanent but if used with a formulated quasi, it would be a quasi. It's the product you use not the peroxide.

However, where it all gets shaky is with your reds, but that's another story!