a collegue has confused me with the use of 3%

[lauren89]

Yup, you got it! 4% would still make a permanent, permanent but if used with a formulated quasi, it would be a quasi. It's the product you use not the peroxide.

However, where it all gets shaky is with your reds, but that's another story!

Haha, best leave that for another thread

Thanx x

 

[Mandita8601]

yes, i think that 3-4% is a quasi. 6% is used for same depth/darker permanent or so i thought.

this is what i've been taught too. 3% adds tone or slightly shifts pigment

 

[-sophisticutz-]

this is what i've been taught too. 3% adds tone or slightly shifts pigment

This is the problem with hairdressing. It is often taught from outdated text or stylists who trained a long time ago but have not worked in the industry for a long time. Often conflicting information is given confusing the fledgling stylist more! When I trained I didn't even know 3% existed and probably most stylists, my age, didn't either!

Colour, along with cutting, is often taught poorly at college. The best thing I can recommend is get yourself on a colour course with whichever brand you are using.

 

[Simba44]

This is the problem with hairdressing. It is often taught from outdated text or stylists who trained a long time ago but have not worked in the industry for a long time. Often conflicting information is given confusing the fledgling stylist more! When I trained I didn't even know 3% existed and probably most stylists, my age, didn't either!

Colour, along with cutting, is often taught poorly at college. The best thing I can recommend is get yourself on a colour course with whichever brand you are using.

Yes I found colour keys was the absolute best. Came away learning alot.

 

[craigkeane]

Yup, you got it! 4% would still make a permanent, permanent but if used with a formulated quasi, it would be a quasi. It's the product you use not the peroxide.

However, where it all gets shaky is with your reds, but that's another story!

Wrong. Depends on the developer with some products these days. Example .. Osmo ikon and.rusk have the same tube of colour for perm and semi ... You just mix it with a different developer ..

Peroxide swells the hair to.allow the colour to.go into the hair.. With a semi developer it doesn't swell the hair as much as a higher strength so it just lightly coats the hair so will gradually wash out

Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk

 

[craigkeane]

A 3% in Goldwell makes it darker? So I'm told.

Isn't this the case with most brands??

Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk

 

[-sophisticutz-]

Wrong. Depends on the developer with some products these days. Example .. Osmo ikon and.rusk have the same tube of colour for perm and semi ... You just mix it with a different developer ..

Peroxide swells the hair to.allow the colour to.go into the hair.. With a semi developer it doesn't swell the hair as much as a higher strength so it just lightly coats the hair so will gradually wash out

Craig Keane
Welcome to HCulture

I think, if you read my post, I did say that it IS the PRODUCT, that determines and to READ the USERS INSTRUCTIONS to determine what developer you need.

I have trained with 7 different colour houses, worked as a colour tech for a very large organisation and taught colour theory.

Some products do have a dual purpose, that is why I suggested to ALWAYS READ THE LEAFLET ENCLOSED.

If you are having a problem with my posts at the moment, stop stalking me to tell me I am wrong and take it off the boards in a PM. Thank you

 

[craigkeane]

I think, if you read my post, I did say that it IS the PRODUCT, that determines and to READ the USERS INSTRUCTIONS to determine what developer you need.

I have trained with 7 different colour houses, worked as a colour tech for a very large organisation and taught colour theory.

Some products do have a dual purpose, that is why I suggested to ALWAYS READ THE LEAFLET ENCLOSED.

If you are having a problem with my posts at the moment, stop stalking me to tell me I am wrong and take it off the boards in a PM. Thank you

Stop stalking you?! What the hell????

Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk

 

[craigkeane]

I think, if you read my post, I did say that it IS the PRODUCT, that determines and to READ the USERS INSTRUCTIONS to determine what developer you need.

I have trained with 7 different colour houses, worked as a colour tech for a very large organisation and taught colour theory.

Some products do have a dual purpose, that is why I suggested to ALWAYS READ THE LEAFLET ENCLOSED.

If you are having a problem with my posts at the moment, stop stalking me to tell me I am wrong and take it off the boards in a PM. Thank you

How am I saying you are wrong ? This is an opinion post.
Who ratted your.cage?!?!?

Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk

 

[VIVA.GLAM]

Isn't this the case with most brands??

Craig Keane
www.hculture.co.uk

I was told 3% in L'Oreal doesn't take it darker. I've just read ALL of the other posts now though and I'm hella confused. Gonna get myself on a colour keys course stat.

 

[Simba44]

I was told 3% in L'Oreal doesn't take it darker. I've just read ALL of the other posts now though and I'm hella confused. Gonna get myself on a colour keys course stat.

Yes most defo your really gonna learn so much it's fab.

 

[-sophisticutz-]

I was told 3% in L'Oreal doesn't take it darker. I've just read ALL of the other posts now though and I'm hella confused. Gonna get myself on a colour keys course stat.

It always stands you in good stead to do the colour training linked to your product. Every brand has different rules regarding peroxide. I always use 3% with my red, regardless of depth, and always get a fantastic result.

I forgot to mention too, that it is mix ratios too. With a dual product (can be used as a quasi or permanent), it is the mix ratio that differentiates the two.
Semi, traditionally, are mixed 1:2 this will alter the molecule size of the product. You also have less colour molecules to peroxide molecules than you would with a permanent colour.

 

[Alex-Lydia]

"When I trained I didn't even know 3% existed and probably most stylists, my age, didn't either!"

Sophisticutz that is so so true - I am finding this thread gripping and confusing for several reasons.

I thought that 3% was for min lift - so same depth or darker and also was not strong enough for opening the cuticle for grey hair coverage.

Also peroxide is opener for colour pigment to get in and that all depends on the molecule size. Then my Goldwell rep said if I run out of Colorance use Topchic with Clear Colorance and that makes it Demi! So how does the Topchic molecule know it now a demi?

So...I have just booked myself on a Goldwell colour course! LOL

 

[-sophisticutz-]

"When I trained I didn't even know 3% existed and probably most stylists, my age, didn't either!"

Sophisticutz that is so so true - I am finding this thread gripping and confusing for several reasons.

I thought that 3% was for min lift - so same depth or darker and also was not strong enough for opening the cuticle for grey hair coverage.

Also peroxide is opener for colour pigment to get in and that all depends on the molecule size. Then my Goldwell rep said if I run out of Colorance use Topchic with Clear Colorance and that makes it Demi! So how does the Topchic molecule know it now a demi?

So...I have just booked myself on a Goldwell colour course! LOL

A demi/quasi is a mixture of smaller and larger molecules. By mixing the permanent and semi together, you would be making a homemade quasi. I am just guessing but that would seem the logical answer to me.

I am doing a Goldwell refresher in two weeks too.

 

[Alex-Lydia]

Thanks, yes that makes good sense to me now.

I am at the academy in April on a creative colouring and cutting course - really looking forward to it. What are you doing? (if you do not mind me asking:biggrin

 

[moobar]

have u got a link to the courses goldwell offer? thanks

 

[kobiedog]

10vol(3%) for black,20vol (6%) other permanent color to darken ,cover grey,and put color in,30 vol (9%) to lift ,40vol high lift.. thats how i was taught

 

[Calliek]

my boss told me to use 9% with colours specifically for grey hair?!
but I find they cover better with 6

 

[-sophisticutz-]

Thanks, yes that makes good sense to me now.

I am at the academy in April on a creative colouring and cutting course - really looking forward to it. What are you doing? (if you do not mind me asking:biggrin

I am just doing a one day, theory course in Selby. I mess around with the Goldwell colours but it has been awhile since I did any training with them.

 

[-sophisticutz-]

have u got a link to the courses goldwell offer? thanks

I stock a few Goldwell bits, so it was booked through my rep. I would just ring their head office.