buying CND at the shows

[Northern Nails]

I choose to train and invest with Creative Nail Design, i was just wondering at the shows is ANYONE elligeble to but from them?
Whether they are Creative trained or not?

 

[Jaffacake]

yep, i think so debbie....

 

[Little Angel]

Hi

Yes its the one and only time! They have some great offers at the shows too! But you have to be quick they sell out pretty fast!

 

[Northern Nails]

so obviously all the hype about not being able to use there products unless yu are trained thrugh them is just tomy tit. I personally intend to spend a hell of alot of money training with this company and i for one don't like the idea of "others" who have trained elsewhere or even i dread to think haven't been trained at all purchasing these. AND getting their before i do and getting all the offers.

. It just makes me wonder about a company who insists on quality and training but are willing to sell to ANYONE.

 

[scattyfox]

WE have asked previously if your id no could be used and separate tills for people not buying systems products but it is the way the exhibition is set up.

Remember professional beauty is for professionals only it could a be a nightmare if opened to the general public and would think the majority of people are honest and wouldnt buy too much stuff they dont know how to use. in some ways I suppose if you got a trial kit at the show then liked it , you would be more inclined to train with them.

There again maybe not and I'm gullible
lol

 

[Northern Nails]

WE have asked previously if your id no could be used and separate tills for people not buying systems products but it is the way the exhibition is set up.
I think i.d numbers should be given, for the simple reson of protecting the exclusivity of the product to Creative technicians.

Remember professional beauty is for professionals only
But it's not, i could take anyone with me and there is nothing to stop them from buying these products.

it could a be a nightmare if opened to the general public and would think the majority of people are honest and wouldnt buy too much stuff they dont know how to use.
This does happen, people stock up.

in some ways I suppose if you got a trial kit at the show then liked it , you would be more inclined to train with them.


There again maybe not and I'm gullible
lol

Just my opinion

 

[scattyfox]

told you i was gullible
lol


sorry spelling even wose than nrm trying to soak off other hand lol

 

[frenchy]

Yep! Mamma, your soooo right!!!

Makes you think "well whats all the fuss about then?"

and I have to say "EXACTLY....I Totally agree. Why put all the restraints on buying these products when 4/5/6 times a year anyone can hop on a train and buy 3/4 months supply in one go"
It makes a mockery of the whole "can not buy our products unless trained by us" thing.
Never mind "the show offers" or the "way the exhibition is set up" B.....S
(And before I get those little PM's telling me I have a grudge/vendetta then listen up....Im not just talking about Creative. OK)

Shall I tell you why I think they do it? CASH! It's probably the only time that companies are able to write off their stock to loss and get some quick, fast, ready cash in their pockets.
It avoids the TAX man!

That's your "trade show entrance ticket privalage", (whoever decides to take advantage of it and I have to admit to doing just that) and that's the trade show companies privalage too........ At the end of the day, MONEY TALKS!

So basically, by paying your entrance fee to a trade show, it allows you to go along and do just that.

 

[Bagpuss]

Hiya ..This comes up every time a show is on..although i don't like it much either, especially those who bulk buy and flog on ebay !!!! I just don't see how it can be policed at the shows...they are sooo manic and busy...with massive ques..bigger than any of the other stands..i just think to then start asking and inputting peoples id numbers would just add to the mayhem. And...what about those who have trained and are registered but cant remember their id number..? they are standing there with a huge bag of stock and qued for ages...to be told..sorry NO. To have a facility there that looks up forgotton id numbers would just hold things up even more.

I do see where you are coming from...but from my experiences at the shows, they are so busy as it is that it would just be too much to keep track off.

And there would still be people with id numbers who have gone with friends that are not trained and buying for them...so you cant win.

xxxx

 

[nemotail]

I agree totally Angie, I cant see how it could be policed.
It is the same for other companies - for example how many people take advantage of the Salon sized St Tropez althought they havent trained with them.
Whats to stop someone earwigging in the queue and pinching someones ID number - nothing!

 

[Glorsclaws]

...Hmmm! Think this one is an itch that its hard for Creative (and others) to scratch.
A 'swipe' ID number card, (like a loyalty card) issued on course completion, is something Ive thought about before, could something like this not be implemented!

 

[Mrs Geek]

so obviously all the hype about not being able to use there products unless yu are trained thrugh them is just tomy tit. I personally intend to spend a hell of alot of money training with this company and i for one don't like the idea of "others" who have trained elsewhere or even i dread to think haven't been trained at all purchasing these. AND getting their before i do and getting all the offers. . It just makes me wonder about a company who insists on quality and training but are willing to sell to ANYONE.

OMG I have just spent 20 minutes writing a reply to both Mamma and Frenchy and I just hit something that managed to delete everything!!! Man that is soooo frustrating!

So, here I go again but I shall now try to be shorter and more succinct!! I do feel Trades Exhibitions does their job in trying (as much as they can) to make sure that professionals only visit the shows so, short of asking for pro certs on the door, I think we need to look at the nail tek who brings mum and gran and Auntie Flo along to the show for a day out! We all know this happens but here is the thing, Auntie Flo wouldn't have the first clue of what to look for on the CND stand apart from getting a few colors for less than she would pay in a salon (and she still hasn't grasped that because she probably normally buys Rimmel which is cheaper than one CND enamel plus vat (omg and then there's the vat... what's vat??? bla bla you get the picture??). It really is few and far between of people coming and buying in bulk, who have absolutely no clue.

Then we have those that are trained but not with CND; well, you are right - these guys get to buy - ON THAT DAY - but what happens when they call to re-order?? No dice! So, I ask myself this! What type of nail tek waits every 4 months to buy CND at a show - JUST SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE A CLASS??? Hmmm I think I would have more self respect for myself, my clients and our industry!!

You all know that some stands have queues out the ying yang! Our tills are not capeable of connecting to the system in Leeds they are simply programmed with the products... I would LOVE to be able to take account numbers but once again, that would mean more time waiting which means more unhappy customers!

I myself took hundreds of pounds worth of product off a lady who hadn't the first clue (I knew this because of how she responded to my questions) and told her she would be far better off in the long run 'learning' her trade first rather than flying by the seat of her pants!!! She trusted me, booked a foundation course and is still a tek with us today! I took 4oz Radical from a woman who thought it was enamel remover (crikey imagine spending that kind of money on remover???)... my point being that we not all money grabbing.

Frenchy I know you were referring to all companies but I am simply saying (or maybe not simply), that when our stand is swarming it is just physically not possible to do anymore than we try to!

Jeez - hope this makes sense and that you all see where I am coming from! If I delete this post now, I will die!!

 

[bling nails]

Then we have those that are trained but not with CND; well, you are right - these guys get to buy - ON THAT DAY - but what happens when they call to re-order?? No dice! So, I ask myself this! What type of nail tek waits every 4 months to buy CND at a show - JUST SO SHE DOESN'T HAVE TO TAKE A CLASS??? Hmmm I think I would have more self respect for myself, my clients and our industry!!

hear hear, couldn't agree more!!

 

[Kim Lawless]

To be honest Frenchy, I used to think the same but then I got wise.

Why? Because you'll find that if someone is too tight to pay to train with Creative, they certainly don't give a S**T what products they use on their clients. They'll often go for the cheapest, and sometimes nastiest option every time.

Just to clarify what I'm saying here. There are many geeks that choose to train with other companies.................and damn fine companies they are too. But you'll find that those geeks are proud to have trained with that company and are proud to use their products.

Think about it !!! Why would they then want to buy somebody else's products?

 

[izzidoll]

Hi.....Well of course I am going to totally agree with Mrs Geek......come on!!!!

But I also speak as someone who when (many moons ago) she first went to her OSNS and picked up some supplies....just after doing my conversion at another CND Academy.......had my L&P plucked back out from my little mitts and put back on the shelf until it was proved I was trained....I was on my way to an Academy class at the time!!....my trembling lip and waterfilled eyes didn't work until the phone call was made.................as I later ended up working as an Educator for the sub distributor we did end up laughing about it!!:biggrin:
I have only experience of the Scottish Beauty Show.....but you can find the Creative stand the quickest....as it is the one with the largest queue!!!....the guys are working flat out on the tills....but there are Educators there to assist customers and if we got talking to someone who obviously wasn't in the trade then we wouldn't be selling them professional products....obviously some will inevitably slip through the net....but as Mrs Geek says when they phone up to re stock...........OUR SURVEY SAYS EAH AAH!!:evil:

 

[Loufd]

Girls,

Why do you spend so much time worry about the 'other people' who are buying creative products!!! If you are a good Nail Tech you will get customers regardless of what other people are doing.

I spent a day with Ketan Patel training at his centre and I can honestly say that that 'his time' was the most important thing i bought from creative. Sure i could have just bought the products at one of the shows and used them but what would the point of that be, you would still not be as good as you would be if you trained with them and learned what they had to teach.

Also, if you let other people buy the product they start using it, like it and want to use it more and like Mrs Geek said when they run out & come back for more they find out they can't just buy it so they'll probably at that stage realise that it's worth their while doing the training & continue to use the product and spread the word. Selling to joe bloggs isn't always preferable but it's a great way of getting your product out to those who wouldn't ordinarily have chosen it.

Remember 'knowledge is power' and that's what all of you who have done the proper training have, so relax and bear that in mind .

 

[Northern Nails]

I have to go with Frenchy on this one guys. There is nothing stopping CND distributing i.d customer cards. If yu haven't got it on the day then you can't buy as simple that. There is no need for complicated computer links to leeds just an i.d card and you can buy. People would make damm sure they had them if that was the case. People do stock up and to say the public won't know what they ae buying i think yur wrong they do. I know people who have and have asked me to learn them using their CND products..... "i don't think so sweatheart...what a cheek after i am paying hundreds in training!"

as for the show being for professional only it isn't, i have two tickets and can take who i want, they don't have to be trained and there is nothing stopping them from buying these. We knock ebay for selling to non professional but is that just what cnd is doing?


To me this product is exclusively for CND trained technicians and shuld stay that way. I have seen how busy the CND stand is and in my opinion tht is why because it gives other technicians trained or not a chance to stock up at a discounted price.

I just think it is wrong when a company insists that their product is for CND trained technicians.

 

[Northern Nails]

Girls,

Why do you spend so much time worry about the 'other people' who are buying creative products!!! If you are a good Nail Tech you will get customers regardless of what other people are doing.
What do yu thnk about when you hear the name Creative Nail Design?
To let 'other people' use them who may be creating sub standard nails is totaly diminishing the ethics of CND. This is why i choose Creative because of their ethics and training and am willing to pay hundreds of pound investing with this company. I do not want non professionals or sub standard technicians promoting themselves as Creative technicians.

I spent a day with Ketan Patel training at his centre and I can honestly say that that 'his time' was the most important thing i bought from creative. Sure i could have just bought the products at one of the shows and used them but what would the point of that be, you would still not be as good as you would be if you trained with them and learned what they had to teach.
I totally agree and lucky you. But it is the reputaion Of the product also.

Also, if you let other people buy the product they start using it, like it and want to use it more and like Mrs Geek said when they run out & come back for more they find out they can't just buy it so they'll probably at that stage realise that it's worth their while doing the training & continue to use the product and spread the word. Selling to joe bloggs isn't always preferable but it's a great way of getting your product out to those who wouldn't ordinarily have chosen it.
So let them go order a 'Try me Kit' and not the 32oz jars of product!

Remember 'knowledge is power' and that's what all of you who have done the proper training have, so relax and bear that in mind .

Knowledge definately is power that is why i have not helped non trained techs who have come with the CND products. It just makes me angry that i am supposed to be buying into something that is ment to be exclusive.

 

[Jaydee]

I have to go with Frenchy on this one guys. There is nothing stopping CND distributing i.d customer cards. If yu haven't got it on the day then you can't buy as simple that. There is no need for complicated computer links to leeds just an i.d card and you can buy. People would make damm sure they had them if that was the case. People do stock up and to say the public won't know what they ae buying i think yur wrong they do. I know people who have and have asked me to learn them using their CND products..... "i don't think so sweatheart...what a cheek after i am paying hundreds in training!"

After attending numerous shows, CND launch their new lines at discounted prices and offer great deals on their products. If they were to introduce ID cards then the money would have to be recouped on purchasing the ID cards and also the printing and distributing. This could result in us losing out on the offers as they have to pay for the costs of the cards. Turning things into a positive....if you stood side by side with someone who wasn't Creative trained but bought the products in bulk, there would be only one winner and that would be you Mamma....the reason being is you have invested in your training, you know how the products work and how to get the best from them. Don't worry what other people are doing....concentrate on your own career and how you can develop....knowledge is power which in the long run will pay dividends to you.
David.x

 

[Northern Nails]

Hi David and thanks for yur eply, i just think loyalty works both ways. If we are investing time and money in a compnay then so should they in us.