Help! anyone with knowledge on the Fabric system ?

[cutie'cool nail]

Hi everyone,
my names Lisa, I am a newcomer to Nail Geek and would be grateful if anyone could answer a few questions on Fabric for me. This is a new system to me and I am having a few teething problems! mainly when using the more than white. I have followed all instructions carefully, but the end result often leaves shatter lines in the white. I can only think this is over-curing, but I am carefully using very little. On re-balancing the white, then I got a curdled effect on the white, so took it off and used a normal polish for the white tip(which I am supposidly not to use - why? it looked better than the Fabric 'More than white' - something is going wrong somewhere along the lines of the white and I am very frustrated with it now!! Also I have experienced nail tips getting a hairline crack in them - again is this too much activator or too much pressure on applying tip? Please could anyone come up with some answers on why I am experiencing these problems?

Thank you, look forward to your comments.
Lisa X

 

[Little Angel]

Hi

Give these a read see if they help any:

http://www.thenailgeek.com/showthread.php?t=5264
http://www.thenailgeek.com/showthread.php?t=9276

Gigi who's baby fabric is comes on this site under 'geeg' shes always on here and is really helpful. Also ruth 'nailsinlondon' uses fabric loads too.

Cant help much myself as its not a system i use that much so i will leave you with the experts :hug:

 

[geeg]

Shatter lines are not due to using MTW they are due to using too much BOOST.

The bead of Boost should really be very small ... a little goes a long way.

I use MTW all the time and curdling is not something I have seen or even heard of.

Maybe a class is in order.

 

[cutie'cool nail]

Thanx for your help, cant tell you how frustrated i am getting, will try your suggestions. Should you only knock out half the white on re-balancing and then reapply MTW - I have tried knocking out all white as I was worried on different whites left on completion and lost a tip!! someone suggested leaving all white on 1st rebalance and just deepening white and then taking out all white on 2nd rebalancing when re-silking? what would you do? I am sooooo desperate to get this 110% right. Also could bleeding of white be due to applying fabric too soon over white? Thanking you very much for your suggestions and help. I have a set of nails in the morning and really need to get this right!!!!!!

Lisa X

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

Just to add a little to Gigi's reply......
Curdling as you call it can happen when you apply the MTW and then play around with it, it then moves the MTW about and looks lumpy or curdled..........
Apply a thin layer and let this completely dry do not touch to check the MTW, as it will if still tacky pull away from the nail.....then when dry if you think its still not covering apply a second layer of MTW and again let this completely dry...you can use a brush dipped in nailfresh to tidy up your smile line, perfecting the shape if you like......

Bleeding happens if you apply the Silk or Fibreglass over not dry MTW....the resin will just soften the MTW and it will bleed at the smile line...... again make sure the MTW is completely dry before applying the Silk or Fibreglass............

On my maintenance I do a file prep....... check for lifting,curling, rate of growth and check that my smile line is still where I want it to be..........
Usually after 2 weeks, the smile line is still pretty much still ok and the colour is still pretty cool, a nice crisp white, so I just file prep, re resin with the bond, then the build and finish with the boost..............
If the smile line has grown out then, I file prep, bringing all the zones to an even layer, apply bond, let this air dry and paint on the MTW, let this dry completely and proceed with the rest of the system.........

A class with Fabric#,is a brill way to get to know this system inside out and will also let you find your own way.....
There is no wrong way in using this system, unless you get soft tissue contact and mega lifting, a lot of us use it but you can bet we all have our own fab working way..........
Get to know this system inside out and you will be amazed at the potential this has to offer.............
The reason that your enamel look better at the moment then the MTW is simple, you know that your enamel has to be completely dry before you can proceed...the same applies to the MTW, give it a chance to dry and you will find the MTW a fab product to work with .....

If you go to the tutorial section in the premium geek forum you will find a brill step by step by Gigi on how to use the MTW ..........
HTH

 

[cutie'cool nail]

Thanks for all your suggestions Ruth on making my fabric system work. Just going back to the rebalance of the whites, I keep hearing different things. Would you when re-doing the whites, file over all zones bringing them all even, do you mean actually file the white out completely before redoing it? if you don't wouldn't you get two different colour whites, the white already left on the nail just being gone over and the new obviously thinner? giving you a more transparent white on the regrowth area? I am rebalancing my sisters nails tomorrow and want to get this right - she needs two new tips, one has a hairline crack in, which I am also experiencing, I don't know if I am apply to much pressure on applying the tip causing it to weaken, or maybe again the product application I am not doing correctly. After 2/3 weeks should your clients whites look as good as the day you first applied them or is it normal to get general wear and tear? Discolouration on tip white? why would this occur? After 1 week, a client broke a tip, when I redid this nail it looked slightly whiter than all the others, I thought this product didn't yellow or dull? sorry Ruth I am bombarding you with question after question but as you are very experienced in Fabric I am sure you can answer all my queries!!

Thanks so much, look forward to hearing from you soon.

Lisa X

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

Hi there,
The type of maintenance is determind by rate of growth...

If you find that after 2 weeks the smile line is still pretty much where it should be then there is no need to re do it...why make more work for yourself......
I just do a resin service..............

Only if you find that there is a growth gap i.e. the natural nail is showing through the smile line,will the whole enhancement need re balancing, as this means everything has grown out, smile line, Apex and cuticle area have all moved to wards the free edge....the nail is off balance so to speak...
This is when I file prep and debulk the old product and renew smile line and complete layer of Silk or Fibreglass................

If you have to replace a nail there will be a little colour difference between the new nail and the older ones,this is normal and it's because of the resin aging not the MTW, so I would just gently buff down the MTW on the older nails a little, re create the whole smile line and then cover this when dry with the Boost.....

Get your clients to use solar oil this keep the Fabric# system in fab condition... it oils the cuticle area, prevents curling of the natural nail under the enhancement but also keeps the resin plyable and in tip top condition....
Even resins dry out and need a little TLC.....

Read the Fabric# tutorials in the premium geek section, as Gigi has done these in great detail with pictures too.....

Hairline cracks in the nail can be caused by various things, the tip not fitting the natural nail , the wrong type of tip for the wrong C-curve, the tip coming in contact with Acetone, Nail fresh or Scrubfresh or other solvent based nail products.... all these can weaken the tip and cause cracking........ but so can banging the nail or external pressure applied to the enhancement..........

I have just looked at your profile and it doesn't say which systems you have trained with......... who did you do your education with....
I would really recommend that you do a Fabric# course...... all these little things will be covered and it will be so much easier for you to learn this hands on so to speak.....
HTH

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Hiya, Im hoping Ruth or someone with similar Fabric experience will have a read of this. Sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but did my fabric induction last week and am also having couple of probs. My MTW also curdles abit, but think this is prob due to messing about with Boost too much. Things I need help with are

1) I learnt on course to put MTW on after silk and build, but youve mentioned putting it on before silk? Does it makes a difference which way you do it?

2) Thing Im stuggling with most is builing up a nice apex. If i put bead of Boost where I need it, to fill in a dip etc, once I put the blast on it sort of disperses the Boost around the nail and I still ned up with a dip or flat nail.

Hope someone can advise me.

 

[cutie'cool nail]

Hi everyone, I have just read Guy Fawkes's experience in curdling. This is now absolutely infuriating me. I have done a set of nails this morning which look beautiful, until you look at the tip, which still has this horrible look to it. Luckily the set of nails I completed were my sisters, so I am going back to play again with them later and try to correct them ONCE AGAIN!! something very simple is obviously just not going quite right. I have read the Fabric guide until I am blue in the face and I do step by step exactly as it is explained, but still experience this. Why are there so many variations to application. I am going to try now putting the MTW on after the build as you have and see what happens, alternatively I am just going to french paint them after, which is not the thing I want to do with this, I have persevered with this for sometime now, but I am loosing all confidence and really getting fed up with it. I am also experiencing the tip completely breaking in the middle, so I am only left with half a tip, I have never experienced this with the other system I used, but I want to persevere with the Fabric as I do prefer the end result - minus the MTW of course!!! I do not feel I need a course I just need someone to let me know the small thing I am doing wrong to obtain this yukky white!

Please please help I am getting very disheartened and I do not want to give up.

Lisa.

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

Hiya, Im hoping Ruth or someone with similar Fabric experience will have a read of this. Sorry to jump on the bandwagon, but did my fabric induction last week and am also having couple of probs. My MTW also curdles abit, but think this is prob due to messing about with Boost too much. Things I need help with are

1) I learnt on course to put MTW on after silk and build, but youve mentioned putting it on before silk? Does it makes a difference which way you do it?

2) Thing Im stuggling with most is builing up a nice apex. If i put bead of Boost where I need it, to fill in a dip etc, once I put the blast on it sort of disperses the Boost around the nail and I still ned up with a dip or flat nail.

Hope someone can advise me.

Hi there,
I prefere to use the MTW before my fibreglass or Silk application... the simple reason for me is this......... less chance of it being buffed off when I do the final oil buffing...specially at the corners...But use a method that works best or you .... I can only tell you my way and I have been using it this way since the launch of the system...so if one way doesn't work try it another way....If the end result is fab than thats the way to go and do it......

The MTW will look curdled if it isn't completely dry when applying the resin over it........give it more drying time.....or the resin will just move the MTW and it will look lumpy on setting.....

To build a nice apex... place a small bead of boost in the apex area, then instead of brushing it out pat it with the blast brush on... like patting a L&P bead into place....keep the finger nice an straight for the drying, I get my client to place the finger on a white buffing block....then move on to the other hand and repeat, this way you are not wasting time waiting for the boost to dry.....then if it still needs a bit more building apply another bead just behind the first bead location and repeat with the Blast and patting....
this way you are building an arch rather than a thicker flat coating....Then when you are happy with the apex, refine the enhancement surface with some light buffing..........

HTH

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

I do not feel I need a course I just need someone to let me know the small thing I am doing wrong to obtain this yukky white!

Please please help I am getting very disheartened and I do not want to give up.

Lisa.

Hi Lisa,
Without seeing your application proccedure it is hard to give any more pointers...Troubleshooting a system is very hard when its is only done verbaly as the visual stimulus is missing....Maybe your educator you did your Fibreglass education with, can help you a little here.....as you said it is only a small minor thing and something that with a person to person session can soon be ironed out.....
good luck

 

[cutie'cool nail]

Hi Ruth,


Thanks so much for always replying to my problems! it is very much appreciated. I have just returned from re-doing my sisters nails, I did it the other way and placed the MTW on top of the build and YIPEE!! they look great. Perhaps I wasn't letting the MTW dry enough and that was all it was, but as I have a result this time I think I might just have to stick to it - I can now sleep tonight!! I just hope that in a weeks time they look just as pretty - as I said I have been experiencing some weird things with loosing tips. I did 3 boost on top, so they should stay in place! (Please god!!) I have certainly perservered at this one and I only hope I have finally got the result I want.

Thanks so much for your time.

Lisa X

 

[Nailsinlondon1]

Hi there Lisa,
I am pleased for you, great result...........
Nice one x

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Thanks Ruth - stuff about building the apex makes sense - simple when you know how eh! Will give it a go next time. Just finished repairing 2 of mine (did it before reading this so didnt do apex bit!) and MTW looks lot better this time, its all bout practise!!

 

[cutie'cool nail]

Unfortunately, back to disaster on the Fabric# front. My sisters nails which looked great when I left are not looking great now. She did admit to actually cleaning the car with no gloves on but she said that it almost felt like the tips were crumbling off in the water, she lost four! We have soaked everything off now and are just letting her poor nails rest in oil! What is the most likely product being used here be the problem? any suggestions, anyone - PLEASE!! I think I maybe using too bigger bead of Boost, but surely this wouldn't do so much damage. I am preping nail, applying thin coat of bond, tipping, applying silk then bond (sometimes 2 thin layers) apply build - activating, lightly smooth over nail, sometimes here though I worrying about filing over nail incase something ruins, maybe this is where I am going wrong maybe I should always file over, then now I am applying the MTW (if I didn't file over before applying MTW maybe this is where I am getting a curdled effect as maybe I need to get rid of any excess blast and the blast is showing through onto the white? then onto the boost (probably guilty of overapplying here) so where am I going wrong? I did a natural nail overlay using this method but didn't use the MTW just painted on a french afterwards, they looked pretty but could see on some nails some white specs so tried to file them out, this shouldn't happen either - could that be to much blast? and I did notice that the fabric did not disappear very well after I put on the bond I did a second coat and it still wasn't marvellous, it was this dotted look through the end result but I don't know where it came from?Back to the drawing board I guess. I am finding that everywhere I go now I am looking at peoples nails. Would airbrushing on a white polish not MTW work - putting it on over the build??

Anyone with any suggestions, I would be grateful for any answers on above on anyone else experiencing any of these problems?

Lisa XX

 

[ValencianNails]

What is the most likely product being used here be the problem?

Lisa, i truly do believe that to get the best results from Fabric# (or any other professional nail product) you need to do the conversion course first.
seeing the product being used by an educator will allow you to use it correctly yourself, any problems you are experiencing can be dealt with straight away.
I use Fabric# and also MTW, doing the conversion was the best thing for me as it gave me a chance to troubleshoot any foreseeable problems/queries.

Why not call Leeds Head Office in the morning and ask for details of the next conversion dates etc

 

[cutie'cool nail]

Hi everyone,

Just a quick question, most I think apply the MTW after blending the tip, although I have heard of some applying it after the build - Is there any right or wrong way? or can you do either? I feel happier doing it after the build as then I think you can knock out the whole MTW on every re-balance quite easily and then you get to start from scratch everytime with the MTW making it look really crisp.

Any answers would be very much appreciated.

Thanks,

Lisa XX

 

[geeg]

I have to say that my method it to apply MTW to the tip and therefore I 'sink' it as far below the resin as I can. I do not remove all the white when I rebalance.

But there is more than one way of skinning a cat and if your way works for you then carry on. There is as you say no right or wrong. It is what works well for you and your clients.

 

[cutie'cool nail]

Thanks Gigi for your reply. If I changed my method of doing the MTW to how you do, could you run through with me what you do when you re-balance and how does it work if you only take out some of the MTW, surely it leaves you with different colours of white if you know what I mean, surely the existing white looks whiter than the growth piece which would not be as thicker white as the other?

Appreciate a reply if you have a minute!

Thanks

Lisa XX

 

[ValencianNails]

MTW is a solid colour, you shouldn't get a shadow show through when doing a rebalance.
I use my MTW on top of the Fabric#, but, as Gigi said... it's basically whatever works for you.
have a 'play' with the products, decide how you want to do it and by doing the conversion you will have more expertise given to you on different ways to use it.
the important thing to remember, as has been mentioned before, is to apply the MTW in thin coats and never touch it before 2 minutes.