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I've supported myself while being a part time pole dancer. I am sure it can only be because my mum let me have blonde chunks dyed and the front of my hair and the rest a reddy brown 'a la Ginger Spice,

I had a tatoo at 15, a **** job at 25 and botox at 28. All stems from my mums hair dresser friend doing my hair in the kitchen from 11.

My mum also plucked my eyebrows from the age of 11 and bleached my tash at 14. Pure Evil.
 
I can't give rep for you V as I have to spread the love a little but wanted to reply and say I wholly agree with your posts :D x

Thanks!

I've supported myself while being a part time pole dancer. I am sure it can only be because my mum let me have blonde chunks dyed and the front of my hair and the rest a reddy brown 'a la Ginger Spice,

I had a tatoo at 15, a **** job at 25 and botox at 28. All stems from my mums hair dresser friend doing my hair in the kitchen from 11.

My mum also plucked my eyebrows from the age of 11 and bleached my tash at 14. Pure Evil.

Now you're grossly exagerating. I don't recall anyone inferring anything 'nasty' at any given point.
Can we not 'debate' like adults, and share opinions without sarcasm or nastiness?
 
Aww come on now some very experienced geeks have given their personal opinions here & we are all entitled to have our own & may not all agree, but keep it civil or it will get closed, I have a different opinion to V but I respect her good advice on every other post, play nice :(
 
Aww come on now some very experienced geeks have given their personal opinions here & we are all entitled to have our own & may not all agree, but keep it civil or it will get closed, I have a different opinion to V but I respect her good advice on every other post, play nice :(

If this was aimed at me.

I wasn't replying to V? but to the thread? Nothing to do with her???
I respect every geek on here as well.
 
Thanks!



Now you're grossly exagerating. I don't recall anyone inferring anything 'nasty' at any given point.
Can we not 'debate' like adults, and share opinions without sarcasm or nastiness?

Yes, exaggerating to show a point.
I am not nasty.
Sarcastic most of the time though.
 
This is a hairdressers preference. Not a parenting forum. I RUINED my hair doing in myself at 12, wish my mum had taken me to have it done properly. I have 4 children and I refuse to believe Foils would in any way determine their future. But its up to the hairdresser. Bottom line in if you don't want to do it....someone else will.

I respect opposing opinions but in a world where there are more troubling issues facing our children and teens I see no harm in looking and feeling beautiful. Its 2011 and times have changed. Dramatically.
 
Now you're grossly exagerating. I don't recall anyone inferring anything 'nasty' at any given point.
Can we not 'debate' like adults, and share opinions without sarcasm or nastiness?

Aww come on now some very experienced geeks have given their personal opinions here & we are all entitled to have our own & may not all agree, but keep it civil or it will get closed, I have a different opinion to V but I respect her good advice on every other post, play nice :(

Thank you!
And I didn't think it was aimed at me. As she said, I assumed it to be a general reply.

Yes, exaggerating to show a point.
I am not nasty.
Sarcastic most of the time though.

I did not say that specifically 'you' were being one or the other. I was asking if WE couldn't ......
With regards to all the posts.

I see a bit of sarcasm everywhere, and a bit of cattiness too. It's not necessary.
There are ways to make a point without being offensive.
It's one thing to be 'thought provoking' and quite another to BE provoking in the sense of inviting an argument, as sarcasm often does.
I can be the queen of sarcasm.... but I do try to refrain here on the forum's because some folks don't get it, and will be offended.
 
If this was aimed at me.

I wasn't replying to V? but to the thread? Nothing to do with her???
I respect every geek on here as well.

Well I apologise if I have missed the humour in which your post was meant, & I get it now :) I do appreciate a bit of sarcasm myself ;) x
 
Well I apologise if I have missed the humour in which your post was meant, & I get it now :) I do appreciate a bit of sarcasm myself ;) x

Coolio chick (I would add a couple of little hug icons here if I knew how to do it from my ipad) xxxx
 
Thank you!
And I didn't think it was aimed at me. As she said, I assumed it to be a general reply.



I did not say that specifically 'you' were being one or the other. I was asking if WE couldn't ......
With regards to all the posts.

I see a bit of sarcasm everywhere, and a bit of cattiness too. It's not necessary.
There are ways to make a point without being offensive.
It's one thing to be 'thought provoking' and quite another to BE provoking in the sense of inviting an argument, as sarcasm often does.
I can be the queen of sarcasm.... but I do try to refrain here on the forum's because some folks don't get it, and will be offended.
Lets all just be friends (insert huggy icon here)


K
 
Coolio chick (I would add a couple of little hug icons here if I knew how to do it from my ipad) xxxx

Agreed us chicks should stick together even if we did have dodgy sun-in fringes as teenagers ;) i've turned out fine honest :) x
 
This is a hairdressers preference. Not a parenting forum. I RUINED my hair doing in myself at 12, wish my mum had taken me to have it done properly. I have 4 children and I refuse to believe Foils would in any way determine their future. But its up to the hairdresser. Bottom line in if you don't want to do it....someone else will.

I respect opposing opinions but in a world where there are more troubling issues facing our children and teens I see no harm in looking and feeling beautiful. Its 2011 and times have changed. Dramatically.

Same here. My mum got my hair done for me at a young age as everyone else at school was spending their pocket money on Sun In at the time - Nice!

I was shaving my legs at 11 too and she caught me and told me not to shave as Id have to do it every day for the rest of my life. But she didn't give me another option so I carried on. I wish she'd taken me to get waxed instead.

I wax a lot of young girls, with their mums written consent and mum has to be present. I am insured for this and crb checked.
 
It is odd how people view things idfferently. I guess my opinion on it makes me a tad hypocritical as I was bleaching my hair at 12, shaving from about 11, drinking and smoking and even :eek: clubbing from 13-14 and had my first tattoo at 15!!!

that being said, I really wish that someone had enforced that I enjoy being a child - instead of thinking about all the things that would boost my confidence and make me feel ( and look ) older.

My girls are 13 and 8 - my eldest lives with her dad and he is lenient - lets her have hair dyed, nais done etc. My youngest lives with me and her dad ( my now hubby ) and has only just been allowed to have her ears pierced - the most extravagant her hair gets touched with is hairspray!! x
 
It is odd how people view things idfferently. I guess my opinion on it makes me a tad hypocritical as I was bleaching my hair at 12, shaving from about 11, drinking and smoking and even :eek: clubbing from 13-14 and had my first tattoo at 15!!!

No, not hypocritical.
There are things I did in my youth that I regret now.
We live and we LEARN, and what/how we learn shapes the adults that we will be, and how we will raise our children and the future adults that they will grow to be.
We often hope that they will be different from ourselves and/or have better/easier lives....

it's not as if the little critters come with Instruction Manuals
:lol:
 
Victoria, you don't do hair. This is never going to be a judgement call for you.
What you allow your children to do is entirely up to you. If you won't paint an under 16's nails, that is entirely up to you.

We DO have to make this judgement call, and I DO do hair. Is there really a need to turn a hair thread into a forum for sharing a parenting philosophy, there is mumsnet for that.

I think that to the OP, the advice is "do what you feel comfortable doing".
 
Well, first I would say that there's a large difference between cutting hair, and changing it's colour.
Then I would say there is also a great difference between an 11yr old and a Teenager.

I'm also for boosting their confidence. Don't get me wrong... but as I said earlier, I think in this generation, we look for quick and easy fixes.

I was a child that wore makeup too early and coloured my hair too young, to feel better about myself. My mom did nothing, said nothing.
I emphasize "child" because 11 and 12 is a CHILD.
I WISH my mother had put her foot down, gotten to the root of the problem and talked to me, and found ways to build my self confidence and make me feel better about my self image. NOPE, she didn't do a thing...
So this pattern continued into adulthood. Lacking in self confidence, relying upon cosmetics and what not because THAT's what the Media told me was the only way I could be pretty.

But makeup and hairdye didn't change my nose, or my large forehead, or my flat chest.......and since I didn't have INNER confidence.....I couldn't accept what I deemed as flaws.
I didn't hit my stride and become confident until my 30's........ a lot of painful years went on before that. A LOT of mistakes made due to the lacking self-confidence.........


This is true, but were hairdressers not psychologists, if I had to stop doing hair and make up on people who had no self confidence, and wait till they did id be broke!! Lol most people get there hair done to make them look better..... It's not our job role to make people understand why they want to look different.

I could have been saved all of that, and been happier IF my mom had talked to me and found tools to make me feel good on the INSIDE.
IF it had been dealt with in my childhood, I would have been stronger facing my adolescence and adulthood.

YES, we're in the business of beauty. But as with any job, we should think with our hearts sometimes.
Sometimes we SHOULD let our hearts be the deciding factor.
If no one EVER let their hearts lead them, then where on earth would this planet be?


We're all different, and have differing opinions. That's fine, let's agree to disagree. BUT nothing wrong with sharing food for thought sometimes, amongst each other, to give another perspective.

As for one poster saying this shouldn't be a debate (sorry, having a brainfart, can't quite remember whom without scrolling)... well, the OP made it such when she posed her question as she did.
Had it been only a question of Insurance, she would have called her Insurance company.

Other things that have popped into my mind, more food for thought:
In Quebec, you can't drive until you're 18yrs old.
You can't drink until you're 18.
You can't have a tatoo until you're 18, without a parental consent (they must be in attendance and prove they're the parent).
Certain 'piercings' require parental consent as well.

These things require parental consent as it is up to there morals to allow there children to do it.

There must be reasons for this? That there would be 'laws' in place, and why such things wouldn't be permitted until adulthood.

Just food for thought....


If the girl came in to the salon on her own I wouldnt do it without consulting her parents , but her mum has made the decision to allow her daughter to have foils, and if the op doesn't do it I'm sure she will just find a hairdresser who will.


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I tried too reply in the quote, but its not bold sorry..... Can't get used to posting using my phone. So my reply looks like its part of your quote v !! Sorry x x

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Victoria, you don't do hair. This is never going to be a judgement call for you.
What you allow your children to do is entirely up to you. If you won't paint an under 16's nails, that is entirely up to you.

We DO have to make this judgement call, and I DO do hair. Is there really a need to turn a hair thread into a forum for sharing a parenting philosophy, there is mumsnet for that.

I think that to the OP, the advice is "do what you feel comfortable doing".

I "used" to be a hairdresser. I HAVE made that very same judgement call.
I refused the service.
I wont do something that's against my own beliefs, especially not for money.
I have my DEP in cosmetology (which incl hairdressing/barbering/esthetics/mani-pedi etc) which was a 2yr course.
(see below my avatar, it reads "Hair & Nail Professional")

I still do hairdressing on the side for family and friends and the odd client. I just don't do it fulltime as I once did.

Also, I don't equate hair colour with nailpolish. Hair colour is more permanent, polish can be removed the next day and doesn't alter the condition of the nails highlights would to hair.

No one seems to think anything of the SKin thread where peeps are shouting in disgust over spray tanning a 4yr old.
So my question becomes... at what age do they stop being a child, and/or at what age is it acceptable to offer adult services to a child?

As for sharing parenting philosophies; like I said earlier, the tone of her question and how it was phrased invited that sort of discussion.

If the girl came in to the salon on her own I wouldnt do it without consulting her parents , but her mum has made the decision to allow her daughter to have foils, and if the op doesn't do it I'm sure she will just find a hairdresser who will.

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Just as the parents who came to me wanting acrylics for their 9yr olds probably went to the NSS up the street after I said no and refused to do it.

It all boils down to a couple of things:
A) What will insurance protect you against?
B) Do you let your personal beliefs influence your business.

To each his own.

I seem to recall an expression of "takes a village to raise a child".
Some food for thought in that expression too....................
 
I tried too reply in the quote, but its not bold sorry..... Can't get used to posting using my phone. So my reply looks like its part of your quote v !! Sorry x x

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LOL np, it happens.

I just noticed the "Morals" comment.
In truth, "morals" have nothing to do with this.
This is about personal choices and beliefs.
It's not immoral to colour a child's hair.
It is immoral to abuse a child.
Distinct difference between the two scenarios.
 

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