Intimate Waxing Insurance

[Katelisa]

i dont really think its a case of doing the right thing as such. Its kinda like a one to one with your nail company, to trouble shoot & learn new technique etc. If you can get insured without a formal certificate then it makes no diff wether the course is accredited; It just means it may not cover you with certain insurance companies. As long as you go on the course knowing that its not accepted by all insurance companies, then the choice is yours.

I for one am really annoyed that i am not covered, but its more down to the insurance copanies being over protective than my training. but i totally understand that we dont want under qualified people running around rippin people giblets off! lol. Its a vicious circle, and i think for me, its a case of like it and do the training or lump it and lose out on my main business. Its just incredibly annoying to take time off to train for something i am perfectly compentent at!

 

[The Guild]

Hi,

First of all, you will find that if you already have insurance, adding treatments to it will not cost you any more, it is simply a case of informing the provider and sending in your certificates. In most cases this can simply be incorporated into your existing policy.

Insurers have to request these kind of qualifications in order to protect you, the therapist. If a claim is made against you, we need to know that you were suitably trained in that treatment, particularly if it is a specialised one. Without that training, your insurance could be invalid. This would mean that a claim against you would become very costly.

We ask that courses are accredited so that we know what is going into the training. By accepting certificates from non-accredited schools, we have no idea whether the training our members have received is up to scratch.

 

[fozzyo]

I'm now offering waxing and loving it. My insurance (provided by Balens - who are the providers / brokers for a lot of organisations) is part of the London College of Massage Block Scheme where I initially trained. They will cover waxing, but only with 2 years experience - not very helpful for me then. So I have changed to another policy with Balens, slightly more expensive but covers waxing and has a highter cover rate.

In the list of treatments, subject to certificate, it lists "Waxing (Warm / Hot)". I enquired about covering Intimate Male waxing which I am looking to do the training in later in the year and that is covered by this - no additional training or certification required.

What benefit does having a course accredited give? I am an Advanced Practitioner of No Hands Massage, my insurance specifically lists No Hands Massage as a primary therapy and they have no problems in covering it. Not one course by the No Hands Massage company is accredited by any professional body or organisation. There is another advanced massage training organisation that offers highly respected training, and I don't believe they are accreditted.

Provide the course is of a high standard, teaches appropriate safety and ethics, treats students with respect, trains them efficiently and to be effective in the subject matter I don't see what the fuss is with being accreditted.

Its like professional bodies - I don't see what advantage I would have to become a member of a professional body other then loosing money by paying an annual fee each year. I'm proud to say I don't belong to any professional bodies, I did to one for a year but cancelled that as soon as I could as it didn't live up to expectations.

Some of the best and most useful training I have done has been training in what I'm already qualified to do! I've been massaging for five years and there is so much I can learn, I've started waxing and there is just a whole universe of stuff out there I want to learn.

When I tried to do my waxing training all the main training organisations didn't want to know or made the training inneffective it wasn't worth my spending the money on it. In the end I found a local trainer who did it one-to-one for a day and that was a fantastic experience, and one that I learnt so much from.

We need our bits of paper with qualifications on, we need good qualifications and training of the highest standard, but sometimes that comes in forms we don't always expect it. Coaching by a more experienced practitioner who wants to share knowledge and skill is often the best form of continuous development and improvement.

Mat

 

[Katelisa]

It is totally understandable, just incredibly annoying!! its also annoying that one company ask and another dont!! I still feel waxing is waxing, and as long as due care is taken it is no different on any area of the body!

Especially with intimate wxing, if your scared your gonna hurt someone then chances are you wouldnt even attempt it. but there is always someone willing to giive it a go isnt there!!

Hi,

First of all, you will find that if you already have insurance, adding treatments to it will not cost you any more, it is simply a case of informing the provider and sending in your certificates. In most cases this can simply be incorporated into your existing policy.

Insurers have to request these kind of qualifications in order to protect you, the therapist. If a claim is made against you, we need to know that you were suitably trained in that treatment, particularly if it is a specialised one. Without that training, your insurance could be invalid. This would mean that a claim against you would become very costly.

We ask that courses are accredited so that we know what is going into the training. By accepting certificates from non-accredited schools, we have no idea whether the training our members have received is up to scratch.

 

[Kim Lawless]

It is totally understandable, just incredibly annoying!! its also annoying that one company ask and another dont!! I still feel waxing is waxing, and as long as due care is taken it is no different on any area of the body!

Especially with intimate wxing, if your scared your gonna hurt someone then chances are you wouldnt even attempt it. but there is always someone willing to giive it a go isnt there!!

The answer to that is to let's all go with Fozzyo's insurance company. If they provide a good price and a good service, then why not. It's something to think about isn't it?

 

[The Guild]

Provide the course is of a high standard, teaches appropriate safety and ethics, treats students with respect, trains them efficiently and to be effective in the subject matter I don't see what the fuss is with being accreditted.

The accreditation that we offer is what tells us whether a course is of a high standard or not. We cannot just take someone's word for it. We get certificates sent in from many different training schools across the UK, so we have had to set up a system where we know who these schools are and what they offer.

 

[jenny mosley]

Not a pro on this subject YET!!!
this is why i have decided to book a course with the Brow Queen, i know will get training that is second to none, and probably better that my initial training day(certified class)

All insurers are different and require various quals and certs, follow your own guidelines and ask your insurer.
Intimate waxing, not an area i would like to tackle, (tackle ha ha) with out experience and a experienced trainer to show me the guidelines.

I do these treatments in IPl, but this treatment only lightly touches the skin surface and is not as harsh as waxing those private area's.

I have been recommended that the brow Queen really knows her stuff when it comes to waxing, so that's my choice.

When i got my waxing cert, there were loads of us in the class and i only got chance to wax i half leg and a arm..this just proves you need more training.

MASTER THE ART AND BECOME A MASTER

BROW QUEEN, IF YOU WILL TAKE ME ON TO DO A INTIMATE WAXING COURSE WITH YOU.


I look forward, we also need to get together and have a chat about our PMU world. I'll save that for luch chit chat on my training day.

Jenx

 

[gillian w]

Must say if i was to start offering it i would first ring my insurance provider to ask their requirements then train accordingly or change my insurance provider.
I must admit i always thought as it was specialised i would have had to have seperate training other than my usual wax training, this has surprised me.
Even with all the experience i have i would still go on a training course of some sort if i were to want to offer intimate waxing i think you need to see the various techniques and how to handle clients etc.
The insurance companies do need to clarify.Although i do not offer hollywoods and male waxing i have always offered very close bikini waxing so is this classed as intimate?This is where im not sure whether companies would be able to separate the two,they would be having to stipulate exactly where you can and cannot wax in the bikini region.

 

[Top Tottie]

I have heard Brow Queen's reputation and that it’s second to none, so I gladly booked intimate waxing course with her next week. Also it’s one to one which I prefer. Whether it is accredited or not, I would rather get the tips and her knowledge (inside and out) not literally lol, from her than anyone else. When I was studying waxing at college, the teacher was crap, not enough supervision. There were 20 of us. I think she only supervised me doing an underarm wax and didn’t give constructive criticism so I didn't know whether I was good enough!! It took me ages to be really confident in waxing. I think i can teach better than her lol!! If I have to pay extra to have certificate in intimate waxing from an insurance company, then so be it, not good but s5it happens. Or change the insurance provider?

Its entirely up to therapists to research research research and ask appropriate questions for the tutor to answer and for them to decide to book a course with Brow Queen, knowing the course is not accredited, just her knowledge, skills and tips. I am talking not just her but about other tutors in general..We’re not some silly teenagers, we’re mature adults. For example we wouldn’t leave our children our childminder/babysitters without checking their qualifications and insurance so why should it be same for waxing?

Check it out and Only you will decide what route to take. Its your money you’re parting with. I am after experience, skills, tips and knowledge. If you want to gain a recognised qualification, check with BABTAC and they have a long long long list of accredited courses. Don’t get me wrong, I understand there are guidelines and insurance to protect us but its up to you to take it or not. Till there is a law against it…..

Just my honest opinion.

You rock girl BQ! I hope you’re not late for your appointment!

Txxx

 

[BABTAC Manager]

I'm still looking into this to establish what I think I'm sure is our position at BABTAC, but here's a bit of insight.

We have 10,000 members offering what are almost certainly 50,000,000+ treatments a year, and I sit on a panel which (partly) judges claims. My Council - who are all senior therapists, teachers and examiners - do all the hardwork of helping our insurers make a first judgement on the claims; I'm just there, frankly, in case one of you good people is accidentally daft enough to create a PR problem by scaring J-Lo's bum, removing one of Britney's legs or damaging Jordan's... assets.

(By the way - BABTAC insurance is the only one on the market that pays for a PR company to rebuild your reputation in the event of loss of business due to a claim, but that's just me bragging.)

The point I wanted to make is this; we probably have more claims arising from waxing than any other treatment; but by far the majority of these are for accidental damage to property due to the wax, rather than personal injury. I honestly can't recall a reported incident, much less a claim, from an intimate waxing treatment.

Our experience to date is that our members' claims for (specifically) intimate waxing compared to 'normal' waxing are low, so unlike many we don't charge any extra premium or ask for extra qualifications. And if we accept you, you're insured. Full stop.

By being good at what you do you save extra premium, which makes you and us happy. Aren't you lot good?!

Regards

PHILIP SWINFORD
Marketing Services Manager
BABTAC

PS - Fozzyo "I don't see what advantage I would have to become a member of a professional body". How about (among other benefits) up to 70% off majot brand consumables and equipment, 50% off Thomsons advertising, 30% off BUPA, 30% off Yellow Pages advertising, 25% off AA cover, lower credit-card merchant deals than banks offer, free professional legal advice, free professional tax advice - just the financial benefits among many, many others?

 

[Katelisa]

The point I wanted to make is this; we probably have more claims arising from waxing than any other treatment; but by far the majority of these are for accidental damage to property due to the wax, rather than personal injury. I honestly can't recall a reported incident, much less a claim, from an intimate waxing treatment.

which goes to show how over protective other insurance companies are being really doesnt it...

be interesting to see what figures they can give us for claims regarding intimate waxing.

We all know training is the most important thing. But where does it end...

 

[BABTAC Manager]

Katelisa

Maybe overprotective is a bit hard; perhaps they don't have the same size membership as us, and therefore maybe don't get the same insurance deals?

I've seen our friends from The Guild on this thread, and (second only to ours, of course!!!!) their policy really is one of the good ones on the market; I cannot and will not deny it. The policies I can't stand are the ones who have a large excess - like, £200! - exclusions such as 'any error or omission on the part of the therapist in treatment or advice' and claims arising from 'the use of any product in treatment or therapy'.

Who's that? Well, abt that my lips must remain sealed. I am far too much of a gentleman!

Regards

PHILIP SWINFORD
Marketing Services Manager
BABTAC

 

[BABTAC Manager]

Just had a PM slap on the wrists from ZoZo (it was quite nice, actually!) who points out that I haven't answered the question; do you need a specific, extra qual/cert for intimate waxing over and above the normal waxing quals/certs with BABTAC.

Nope.

And that's the shortest answer you'll find from a marketinmg chap on here!

Regards

PHILIP SWINFORD
Marketing Services Manager
BABTAC

 

[gillian w]

Well my insurance is up for renewel soon i shall be making some enquiries and if they are vague about whether i would be covered or not i shall go elsewhere.

 

[Kim Lawless]

I for one will be changing my insurances to BABTAC this year. Not only because their cover sounds fab but because they seem to get that we are adults and not children. Hoorah for BABTAC !!!


(no idea what this looks like as I'm in the salon and sending this by phone)

 

[gillian w]

Yes ,and remember Philip. We have it in writing and there are thousands of witnesses

 

[rouge]

Yes ,and remember Philip. We have it in writing and there are thousands of witnesses

Ooh, don't tell him that, he'll delete all his posts! :lol:

Thanks for the info, Philip. Very very interesting.

 

[Axiom]

do you need a specific, extra qual/cert for intimate waxing over and above the normal waxing quals/certs with BABTAC.

Nope.

And that's the shortest answer you'll find from a marketinmg chap on here!

Regards

PHILIP SWINFORD
Marketing Services Manager
BABTAC

I'm late on this one as I've been in Olde London Towne all day (training, ironically enough!).

I must admit, Phil, I find it alarming that BABTAC don't require any additional training for intimate waxing, especially as Habia introduced new National Occupational Standards last year for both male and female intimate waxing. Yes, they are guidelines, but NVQ/SVQs are based directly on these standards and I believe the recommendation is that intimate waxing sits as an optional Level 3 unit?

On the plus side, it means I'll save myself a nice chunk of money if I choose not to have my course registered by BABTAC for the coming year (incidentally, I was told last year that I did need to register it with yourselves in order for BABTAC members to get the necessary insurance, so I apologise if I have contributed to the confusion as this is what I have been telling other people)

Completely aside from the insurance issue, I do believe, as others have already said, that some form of training/mentoring is needed if people want to carry out what is essentially a specialised treatment to the best of their abilities. Not to put to fine a point on it, but in my opinion waxing a scrotum is not the same as waxing a back or a pair of legs. Plus you can learn so much from someone who has already 'been there, done that' so to speak (avoid the mistakes that we might have made, lol).

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable letting a therapist with no specific training, guidance or previous experience loose on my crown jewels, lol. :lol:

Andy

 

[Chameleon]

I also find this alarming aswell....as i have been considering doing intimate waxing for women....just considering but still unsure....:lol:

I know i would want the insurance credited myself,and as Andy stated,waxing such as this,is more intricate than just waxing a leg...

 

[gillian w]

I also think that although at the mo there have been no claims on intimate waxing that is because it is still a comparitively rare treatment ,particularly male waxing.This is rapidly changing though and with some of the very poor ordinary waxing teaching out there, when everyone decides to jump on the profit bandwagon that will definately change.
Some therapists have barely enough training and experience to make a leg wax comfortable and safe let alone a scrotum.