Intimate Waxing Insurance

[Kim Lawless]

I also think that although at the mo there have been no claims on intimate waxing that is because it is still a comparitively rare treatment ,particularly male waxing.This is rapidly changing though and with some of the very poor ordinary waxing teaching out there, when everyone decides to jump on the profit bandwagon that will definately change.
Some therapists have barely enough training and experience to make a leg wax comfortable and safe let alone a scrotum.

I totally agree with you Gillian and that's why I don't award a cerificate until I'm confident that they know what they're doing and are good enough. I feel so strongly about this that any if any of my students are unable to prove to me that they are competent and confident, I will give them free additional training until they are and only then will they get their certificate.

I'm passionate about waxing and although I'm in business to make money (who isn't), I'm not out to rip anyone off. My mission is to help people build a successful and lucrative business. I want them to achieve and become excellent waxers. xxx

 

[Katelisa]

re waxing scrotums; I tried it on my bf once, it was funny, painful, for him not me, lol, but funny, so i have no intention of trying it again!! If i want to offer the service i will get guidance. Most of us have the gumption to try things out on willing guinie pigs first, and practice then go forth and torture paying clients.

Dont get me wrong, i didnt just wake up one morning and decide to do a hollywood wax. It took a month or two of practice on willing persons, other girls i knew and worked with to get my technique right. I was shown by my old manageress once or twice, and she helped me out of the odd stickey situation, because she was far far more experienced than me.

My insurance is up in april, so i will be swapping to babtac also. Not to say i wont go on the course anyway, just to see if they can teach me anything new...

 

[fozzyo]

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable letting a therapist with no specific training, guidance or previous experience loose on my crown jewels, lol.

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable letting a therapist with specific training, guidance and lots of previous experience loose on my crown jewels. But that's just me.


Mat

 

[Axiom]

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable letting a therapist with specific training, guidance and lots of previous experience loose on my crown jewels. But that's just me.


Mat

Lol, and I thought you were all for trying treatments out yourself first, lol...? :wink2: :lol:

Andy

 

[Katelisa]

Personally, I wouldn't feel comfortable letting a therapist with specific training, guidance and lots of previous experience loose on my crown jewels. But that's just me.


Mat

lol, aww come one!!! lemme practice on ya!! can give u a downstairs mohawk like ur avatar!

...I'll bring a couple of bottles of liquid skin and savlon just in case. :smack:

 

[fozzyo]

Lol, and I thought you were all for trying treatments out yourself first, lol...? :wink2: :lol:

Andy

I am. And that scares me a bit. Can I really make an exception to the rule?

 

[Axiom]

I am. And that scares me a bit. Can I really make an exception to the rule?

Lol, we'll let you off then, just this once

 

[Brook]

hey im not sure how to post a question?! but you sound liek you know alot so i was wondering what your thiughts are about double dipping the wax stick? do you think the stick should be thrown out after coming in contact with the client?

 

[Kim Lawless]

hey im not sure how to post a question?! but you sound liek you know alot so i was wondering what your thiughts are about double dipping the wax stick? do you think the stick should be thrown out after coming in contact with the client?

I don't double dip for intimate waxing. I do for general body waxing such as legs, but not if I see any blood spots or the skin looks inflamed.

 

[gillian w]

hey im not sure how to post a question?! but you sound liek you know alot so i was wondering what your thiughts are about double dipping the wax stick? do you think the stick should be thrown out after coming in contact with the client?

In bikini,underarm,facial areas definately.Check out threads on wax contamination if i knew how to bring up the links i would i expect someone will help.

 

[jenny mosley]

Hey Kim,

do you supply models on your intimate wax course
jenx
Advanced Beauty Clinic - Warwickshire

 

[Kim Lawless]

Afraid not Jen.........or they'd be a hell of a lot of hairless peeps walking around Essex As you'd be coming from so far, I could try to get a model if you really can't. xxx

 

[BABTAC Manager]

Back again, folks. Let me see if I can clarify the training/insurance issue. This isn't meant to be an overt sales pitch, but it's part of a wider debate.

Insurance is only one of a massive range of benefits to members, but it's a really complex business. Since 1977 when BABTAC was formed, our Council considered it an important one; but as we are a not-for-profit business, owned by all our members, we don't have paid Directors or Shareholders; every penny we raise is spent on services and benefits for the members, so there is no need for us to add extra cost for extra insurance (or demand that therapists take courses we approve, and trainers have to pay for!) unless it's absolutely necessary. And then the costs are minimised.

So whether a new therapy/treatment justifies an extra premium or training is, partly, decided by you good people; if you are generally speaking responsible, take extra training and follow that training, you won't have claims against you and so our insurers (Zurich, by the way, the market leader) take BABTAC's Council's word that we don't need to demand extra training or a higher insurance fee.

When intimate waxing became popular 5/6 years ago, the Council at that time would have considered evidence to decide whether we had to (in effect) limit insurance cover to those who had taken extra training, and whether we had to add an extra premium. At that time they decided that you were all responsible, diligent, careful professionals who did not have to have extra training forced upon you, and that you'd treat with care and not create extra claims; from my experience 2006-2008, they seem to have been correct in that.

We see it as our job to empower therapists and to help you, not to place artificial restrictions upon you which happen to make us money; so we didn't impose training or premium barriers. Really, it's down to all you good people here on this thread and elsewhere who decide for yourselves that you'd need extra training - who are we to impose an unnecessary 'nanny state' rule on you when you're all so professional anyway?

Risk is continually assessed - as I said, I sit on the regular panel which monitors claims - and if at some point in the future it seems that therapists are starting to put anyone at risk by undertaking any therapy untrained, then we might adjust the BABTAC 'rules'. But for now, you are all clearly doing what is right anyway. We applaud further training; we encourage it; we recommend it; and we even offer it via various BABTAC courses - but, for now, we don't demand it.

So long as the industry is moving along with responsible people like you at the fore, we don't need to.

So, really, it's a big 'well done' to you!

Regards

PHILIP SWINFORD
Marketing Services Manager
BABTAC

PS - We don't demand CPD points as a condition of membership/insurance continuation, either!

 

[Kim Lawless]

AMEN !

 

[smooth]

Hmmm, I wonder whether my industry will apply these standards too for not requiring added certificates for more advanced procedures?

Ok, you have been on a basic botox and dermal filler course, you can now go and inject botox into the DAO, platysmal muscle etc and fillers into nasal defects and cheeks without advanced training. How popular would this be?

I've had intimate waxing done numerous times and each time I've never visited the same person twice for various reasons, pain, extensive bruising, swelling and burns to name but a few. Maybe this is why, they've not had specific training for it! Thanks for the heads up guys!

Concerning getting courses accredited, if you are accredited by insurance companies then they normally don't charge you for it. It's a way of proving you are teaching to the required standard, the course content is as it should be and the theoretical content and practical session is up to date and in-depth. Again, in my industry, if a course is not accredited then you won't get insurance for it.

 

[PinkBlonde]

OK so is this right..?

I did my general waxing training 2 years ago, have never worked in a salon, never used, or been shown how to use hot wax, or how to wax any further than a bikini line. Yet I could get insured to wax a person's genetalia??? This seems strange ....

I understand what some of you are saying, that most therapists (me included thank god) are responsible enough to judge for ourselves what our abilities are. But surely even just one underexperienced therapist who burns/grazes a labia is too many??

It does make me wonder how many clients have had bad intimate waxing experiences (I'm sure from none of you!) that have been too embarrassed or didn't know how to take it further? Or maybe thought it would just be easier to keep quiet and change their therapist?

Hearing what little waxing some of you did on your basic waxing training worries me a bit as to wether it is enough for intimate or any specialised waxing. I know a lot of therapists will practice as much as possible before offering a treatment professionally. But I don't know anyone that would let an unqualified therapist do an intimate wax? I'm shocked that I would be insured without training, demonstrations or practice.

Luckily, I had a great tutor for waxing and I feel that I covered enough to be confident about my basic waxing. I had to be assessed on all waxing treatments covered in my course before passing. This was a full time NVQ qualification, I don't feel that a day course is enough to learn waxing. Maybe for intimate waxing when you already know the basics, but not for complete beginners, especially when like me they are not in a day-to-day salon environment.

Sorry to leave such a huge essay! Lol, but my point is that I would not feel competent to carry out an intimate wax without training. Maybe thats because I don't work in a salon and can't pick up tips from colleagues, but I also wouldn't like to have an intimate wax by someone who has not had specific training.

xxXxx

 

[smooth]

OK so is this right..?

I did my general waxing training 2 years ago, have never worked in a salon, never used, or been shown how to use hot wax, or how to wax any further than a bikini line. Yet I could get insured to wax a person's genetalia??? This seems strange ....

I understand what some of you are saying, that most therapists (me included thank god) are responsible enough to judge for ourselves what our abilities are. But surely even just one underexperienced therapist who burns/grazes a labia is too many??

It does make me wonder how many clients have had bad intimate waxing experiences (I'm sure from none of you!) that have been too embarrassed or didn't know how to take it further? Or maybe thought it would just be easier to keep quiet and change their therapist?

Hearing what little waxing some of you did on your basic waxing training worries me a bit as to wether it is enough for intimate or any specialised waxing. I know a lot of therapists will practice as much as possible before offering a treatment professionally. But I don't know anyone that would let an unqualified therapist do an intimate wax? I'm shocked that I would be insured without training, demonstrations or practice.

Luckily, I had a great tutor for waxing and I feel that I covered enough to be confident about my basic waxing. I had to be assessed on all waxing treatments covered in my course before passing. This was a full time NVQ qualification, I don't feel that a day course is enough to learn waxing. Maybe for intimate waxing when you already know the basics, but not for complete beginners, especially when like me they are not in a day-to-day salon environment.

Sorry to leave such a huge essay! Lol, but my point is that I would not feel competent to carry out an intimate wax without training. Maybe thats because I don't work in a salon and can't pick up tips from colleagues, but I also wouldn't like to have an intimate wax by someone who has not had specific training.

xxXxx

Well said! I've had cause to complain etc to be honest but I've thought do you know what, it cost £30 for the treatment, it's not worth my time or effort to even complain let alone attempt to sue. Maybe there are others like this too which is why the babtac insurance don't see many claims. Or maybe the complaints stop at salon level by the therapist offering a refund and maybe other treatments free of charge as a gesture of good will? It will only take one claim to change practice but for an industry who is striving for standards then surely having minimum standards for intimate waxing is a must?

To those who think that I am picky, maybe it is just my profession and having been qualified for 10 years with the NMC having strict standards of practice I think this should be so throughout every industry.

 

[The Guild]

OK so is this right..?

I did my general waxing training 2 years ago, have never worked in a salon, never used, or been shown how to use hot wax, or how to wax any further than a bikini line. Yet I could get insured to wax a person's genetalia??? This seems strange ....

It really depends on your insurance company. Some require you to hold extra qualifications for intimate waxing and others do not.

If you are looking to offer the treatment, make sure you check where you stand with your insurers.

 

[angelina221]

It's a tricky one this. Take the beauty therapist who works at my salon. She has been waxing for over 10 years. She never went on an intimate female waxing course but clients asked her over the years to get closer and closer, and she now does full removal and has done for a number of years.
Now someone can go on a 1 day intimate waxing course and can wax the next day. There's nothing wrong with that if they are already a qualified waxer but i know who i would rather wax me!
My BT is extremely competent and is fully booked all the time because she is good. Now would she have to go and pay for a course to show her what she already knows, and knows better than a lot of people with an intimate qualification?

 

[smooth]

It's a tricky one this. Take the beauty therapist who works at my salon. She has been waxing for over 10 years. She never went on an intimate female waxing course but clients asked her over the years to get closer and closer, and she now does full removal and has done for a number of years.
Now someone can go on a 1 day intimate waxing course and can wax the next day. There's nothing wrong with that if they are already a qualified waxer but i know who i would rather wax me!
My BT is extremely competent and is fully booked all the time because she is good. Now would she have to go and pay for a course to show her what she already knows, and knows better than a lot of people with an intimate qualification?

If you have standards in the industry then these standards should be met by all and if that dictates specific training for all then yes she should go on a course. If you have vague regulations or one rule for one and another rule for others then this will prove difficult to "police" and inevitably lead to inadequate treatments being carried out by unsuspecting clients.

It's the same as I encountered on Saturday, a highly trained plastic surgeon undertaking advanced training, he thought he was above our training and wouldn't listen. His practice was outdated in aesthetics and soon realised that he would actually learn something from us.

I would rather be waxed (bringing it back to the specific topic) by someone trained in that treatment AND fully experienced.