What system is this, only had my nails done for new year and they look fab

[stoney]

well they call them gel, he said it was stronger than acrlic so costs more, were as a therapist myself i no that gel is not as strong as acrylic, but because i did not recognise there system i did not say other wise. these nails feel very strong xxx
if they used mma what could this do to me, going off to panick now, surely health and safety woul pic this up,
forgot to mention he used a primer, the bottle had primer on it, but the rest was obliviouse to me.
it did not smell like monomer, but then agan they had the extractors in the work benches so i assumed this was why no smell

That is a false statement, L&P is not stronger than gel and you have been had by the sounds of it.

No need to panic, you just need to go and do your research, use the site, ITS WHAT ITS FOR!!!

 

[MINKUS]

Jenny

after all your time on the site ...have you never 'browsed over' an nss thread?

YIKES:green:

I just LOVE the way they use l+p and say it's gel (and charge a premium:irked not the first time i have heard this story !!

Usually they run out the back and write 'GEL' on the pots!

 

[jenny2]

Thats not quite true hun....Gel can be every bit as strong as L&P when applied with the correct structure and application.

I am assuming that no client consultation was done...?

To be honest with everything you have said i would have been out that chair quicker than a whippet...fab looking nails or not.

No consultation was done, These guys have such a high reputation, am gob smacked if i am honest. If mma is soo lethal why has it not been banned. Been and done a quick search on here and it states about over abrasive filing, which did not happen, and th fact they are that strong, that more often than not the natural nail will break befor the overlay itself. That it does not cause cancer or any major damage, just the pure strength of them causing damage to the natural nail when cought on soething. Am i right here. Please do not shout all at once.

So masks are an indicator of mma
if i file my nails now will it be almost impossible if mma.

 

[loubylou]

o so how would i no if it could be MMA. Also why would he put it under the lamp for a few seco,

MMA is an acrylic for use in the dentistry field, im guessing he put it under the lamp to start the setting process, (if it was MMA)
dentists use a UV light to set theirs,
when used wet on nails it can seep the acid into the blood stream through the nail plate and CAN affect your liver and kidneys but don't start panicking this is only a problem if you are exposed to it regularly and we don't know that it was MMA,
google MMA and you will find loads of info hun hth :hug:

 

[jenny2]

MMA is an acrylic for use in the dentistry field, im guessing he put it under the lamp to start the setting process, (if it was MMA)
dentists use a UV light to set theirs,
when used wet on nails it can seep the acid into the blood stream through the nail plate and CAN affect your liver and kidneys but don't start panicking this is only a problem if you are exposed to it regularly and we don't know that it was MMA,
google MMA and you will find loads of info hun hth :hug:

How would i no if it is hun. Can i pm u there number and maybe u could do a little investigating for me. Because i certainly do not want to keep going if this is the case, but how will i no

 

[daniella]

hallo this lady is talking about uv acryl it only sets onder uv lamp greetings d

 

[marioned]

I don't think so, as the nails were never put under the lamp until after the enhancements were done, filed, artwork applied and THEN topcoat put on. What lamp did he put the bead under? Was it the UV lamp, or just a light. Maybe it was cold and he was heating it slightly under an ordinary bulb to make it set faster.

 

[Bagpuss]

hallo this lady is talking about uv acryl it only sets onder uv lamp greetings d

I dont think she is hun... her nails where not put under a uv lamp untill after the nail art was done.

 

[Bagpuss]

How would i no if it is hun. Can i pm u there number and maybe u could do a little investigating for me. Because i certainly do not want to keep going if this is the case, but how will i no

All you need to do is ask them what brand they are using....if they don't give you answer then don't go back cos a reputable salon wouldn't hide anything from you.

 

[ValencianNails]

No consultation was done,
In that case they are a NSS (non standard salon), they probably don't have the correct insurance, if any at all, as consultations are needed in case clients make an insurance claim against the salon.

These guys have such a high reputation, am gob smacked if i am honest.
Reputation means nothing if they're not practising ethically, ie without consultations etc. The only reason they're so busy is that Joanna Public is uneducated re NSS and MMA.
I really don't see why you're so shocked Jenny, you've been in the business a while and all of the info needed re NSS and MMA is readily available on our site.

If mma is soo lethal why has it not been banned. Been and done a quick search on here and it states about over abrasive filing, which did not happen, and th fact they are that strong, that more often than not the natural nail will break befor the overlay itself. That it does not cause cancer or any major damage, just the pure strength of them causing damage to the natural nail when cought on soething. Am i right here. Please do not shout all at once.
The fact that they used an electric file on your natural nail should have given you warning bells because with reputable products etching the nail is not necessary.

So masks are an indicator of mma
if i file my nails now will it be almost impossible if mma.

Here are a couple of links that'll help a bit :hug:

http://www.salongeek.com/health-safety-unatural/2698-mma.html

http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/31808-nss-exactly-what-does-mean.html

 

[jenny2]

Jenny

after all your time on the site ...have you never 'browsed over' an nss thread?

YIKES:green:

I just LOVE the way they use l+p and say it's gel (and charge a premium:irked not the first time i have heard this story !!

Usually they run out the back and write 'GEL' on the pots!

Hi hun, normally when i get chance to come on, i tend to spend most of my time in the waxing forum. Tend not to browse the nail section very much ( i no i bad girl) I love nails and would love to one day be producing some amazing sets, but get what i call very little play time or time to research this area. Waxing is my bread and butter and this is were my heart lies, but eep getting pulled towards nails, a bit like an itch u can not scratch. I have all the under pinning knowledge of nails, but start getting very confuggled with it all.

Just need more time in the day, to browse, just very rarely get it :cry:

 

[beautynails]

They may or may not be MMA, but one thing we know for sure is that you definately got ripped off. You paid extra for gel nails but that's not what you got.

 

[jenny2]

Here are a couple of links that'll help a bit :hug:

http://www.salongeek.com/health-safety-unatural/2698-mma.html

http://www.salongeek.com/general-articles/31808-nss-exactly-what-does-mean.html

Hi hun, to be honest the lack of consultation did not alarm me at all, because i have been to many salons who silpmy do not take the time. yes i alsways do consultation and constantly reveiw them, but no many do not so no alarms went off.
In regards to the electric files i have read the odd thread on here about people who use i think youngs and say that it is the hands of the therapist using the file and often more damage can be caused with a natural nail file.
As they were gentle and only removed the shine of my nail, no alars went off there.
The only time i thought hang on a minute gel requires uv gel, i thought ok will give them the benefit as when he was holding the product to the lamp, i assumed it was something new or a product i had not heard off.
The salon is constantly full and the people are lovely and the natural nail was not damaged and the nails looked fab so hence was not woried more inspired by there work and how well the finished look was.
yes i look over many a thread on here hun, but i tend to spend most of my little free time in the skin section or business section, but every now on then i feel an urge to look over the nails.
Very rarely looked over different systems as been happy with creative so not felt a need to change or chec out other brands. Big beleiver dont fix what is not broke. But after seeing my new nails i was intrigued if not a little nieve me thinkks.
The nails i do, tend to be on friends, or friends of my friends, i do not do huge amounts of nails and am still in the playing and improving rather than showing every one how fab my nails are, i tend to try not to mention them as feel i am not quite ready to push them
Plus like i have said, waxing is my bread and butter and all my reaserch when i have five goes that way as that is what i do day in day out when not cleaning , cooing and kids that is.

But my eyes have once again been opened and i learn some thing new every day, that is why i love this site.

love jenny

ps happy new year hun xxxx

 

[marioned]

Awww, I feel so bad for Jenny. She came on telling us all about her lovely nails and we've all critisised them to bits. You've got them on now Jenny, so just enjoy them. Just be a little wiser when you get them rebalanced/removed, now that you are "in the know". If it takes ages to have them removed, and there is a fishy smell, then it was MMA.

 

[jenny2]

They may or may not be MMA, but one thing we know for sure is that you definately got ripped off. You paid extra for gel nails but that's not what you got.

u see i disagree here, because they look fantastic feel fantastic and look better than other nails i have had on and i have paid a hell of allot more.
I hope these are not MMA nails, as would love to continue having these done as they are just lovely. If they are using a brand that does not contain this horrendouse product then i think it was money well spent xxx

There is one thing for sure i am not dafft and will find out, and will make mention of the fact no consultation was carried out and this may be an area they need to improve on.

 

[ValencianNails]

I'm wondering if by putting the bead under the lamp for a bit he was helping to evaporate excess monomer
(that would indicate incorrect ratio of liquid to powder) and/or trying to speed up the polymerisation time of the bead?!?

Not criticising the enhancements you've had applied (can't because we haven't seen them and neither should we!) although we don't have to agree that the working practice was as it should be in a 'standard salon' or 'high end salon', just trying to help get to the bottom of what you had applied, and I believe (like many others) that it was L+P.

 

[jenny2]

I'm wondering if by putting the bead under the lamp for a bit he was helping to evaporate excess monomer
(that would indicate incorrect ratio of liquid to powder) and/or trying to speed up the polymerisation time of the bead?!?

Not criticising the enhancements you've had applied (can't because we haven't seen them and neither should we!) although we don't have to agree that the working practice was as it should be in a 'standard salon' or 'high end salon', just trying to help get to the bottom of what you had applied, and I believe (like many others) that it was L+P.

u have raised a good point here in regards to putting the bead under the lamp, and in my mind would make sence, especially speeding up the process as with the with the amounts of clients they have speed will be of the essence to them .

i no u would not critise me at all hun, i value your opinion always,and as a fellow regular geek, whome is highly thought of person on this site, i would only take any critisisum u gave as constructive .
In regards to the consultation, u are so correct and a reputable person/ therapist would always do a consultation. But i worked for a very big salon a year or so ago, they were baced in a hotel and offered all high end products, this is were i trained in decleor. The whole salon was huge, and gorgeouse and had a good name. But u no something which i brought up with the manager, for such a big spa/salon using very good expensive products they very rarely, infact never did consultations, they were terrible for it. I suppose some people are just to greedy in the sence of consultations take time , costing money. They even put there hands in pots rather than using a spatula, which made me shudder.
But this is why i love the service i offer, because it is not about the money for me, yes don't get me wrong i need the money and work for money, but every lady that walks through my doors is loved so to speak. There health and feelings are paramount to me, i take the time, explaining the treatment, the products i use, the effects of the products and so on.
Even if i get a new lady for an eyebrow shape, which in many salons i have been to has been a quick in out jobs done. I complete a consultation, use an eye shadow to show them what they could look like and so on.

But sadly there is so many out there that do not, hence my un lack of concern. When i saw the drill i thought ok, u mess my plate up and i aint gonna be happy, but they took great care so could not raise fault here.

Plus my step mum is vietmanese and a great nail tech ( only just met her after 10 years so not had vasts chats yet, other than please teach me over and over again ) But she uses products i have never heard of so had no reason to think that this was not the case here, after all our industry is huge and no matter how much we research we are learning all the time .

Tonight has opened my eyes and i thank u all, because it has opened my eyes into an area i have kinda flicked accross. But be assured i will find out what they are using, and will reasearch mma more. I suppose i have taken a nieve approach if that is the correct wording, in the sence of not really needing to no that much, as have never come accross it and nor would i ever use it and i trust in creative which i use so never questioned it. I think i need to learn from this to/
love jenny

ps god i go on don't i , i will find an easier way of explaining myself one day, with out writing an essay lol:hug:

 

[nailzoo]

o so how would i no if it could be MMA. Also why would he put it under the lamp for a few seco,

this is an old trick to add a dash of heat to the already setting acrylic, it's often used when building sides in nails to speed up the setting time to prevent overhang and make sure the acrylic stays put.

It's quite a "Kosher" procedure and just because some don't do it doesn't mean it's wrong, just as different products have different application methods, none is better than another, as each product has individual setup times and methods. It's even better when techs have the balls to try something outside the box ..... the main thing is ... it worked....
So how can it be wrong if it worked for him?

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

In regards to the electric files i have read the odd thread on here about people who use i think youngs and say that it is the hands of the therapist using the file and often more damage can be caused with a natural nail file.
As they were gentle and only removed the shine of my nail, no alars went off there.

I feel for you Jenny as this was a loving gift from your hubby and it would have been difficult to say "I'm not accepting it because I think they might be dodgy techs in there". His intentions were good :hug:.

For future reference, electric files are acceptable in the hands of trained and knowledgable technicians, but not on the natural nail and certainly not to remove shine! No matter what grit they are, they are just too harsh for the natural nail.

A nail file for shaping the natural nail has a 240 grit, but would not be used to remove shine from the nail plate. A 240 grit manual buffer would be required for this job as it is far gentler and only removes shine and not nail plate!

 

[izzidoll]

this is an old trick to add a dash of heat to the already setting acrylic, it's often used when building sides in nails to speed up the setting time to prevent overhang and make sure the acrylic stays put.

It's quite a "Kosher" procedure and just because some don't do it doesn't mean it's wrong, just as different products have different application methods, none is better than another, as each product has individual setup times and methods. It's even better when techs have the balls to try something outside the box ..... the main thing is ... it worked....
So how can it be wrong if it worked for him?

Thanks for that Nailzoo.

Again, we need to learn that just because some people do things differently from how we are trained, it doesn't make them WRONG!!!

At least no one has called this an NSS salon as it so obviously isn't!!

I very much doubt MMA was an ingredient in the monomer.

I have read this thread and feel that a lot of confusion and scaremongering went on at the start.

The MAJORITY of nail clients and Nail Technicians call L&P... ACRYLIC.!!!...it is the most common term used.
The MAJORITY of people know about GEL, ACRYLIC and FIBREGLASS nails.

TBH it is only on this actual site that the term L&P gets used all the time. Sorry folks but sometimes we get a bit arrogant if not downright patronising about this point!!

Yes we all know that they are all acrylates and liquid and powder is a better and more accurate description of the system....but, trust me, it isn't catching on out there in the big bad world outside of Geekdom, so let's not get so het up about it!!!

The only thing this salon has done 'wrong' is to advertise these nails as Gel, when they are in fact Acrylic, but I am sure there will be some legal loophole as they do actually put a gel topcoat on, which I am sure we all charge extra for too.

The guy is turning out great nails, in a good time frame with no damage to the natural nail using a skillful one bead method.
We could learn a thing or two!!