Air Perm

[adamlea87]

Air perming will work, in the same way that you can leave peroxide in your hair overnight to lighten your hair a couple of shades, rather than in 30 minutes in a salon.

Perming uses reduction and neutralising uses oxidation to relink disulfide bonds.

Using atmospheric oxygen will set the perm after about 6 hours, but not effectively as a large amount of keratin remains in its reduced state, which creates more damage long-term.

 

[lilly]

Can I just jump on, they’re isn’t many perm questions !

I have a client ( friend) who has a tint and half a dozen foils. I started perming her hair using bio life about 3 years ago ( told her I didn’t recommend !)

Anyway the perms are nice and hair is good condition.

I’ve been to 2 wholesalers and can’t get hold of it so have got swarzkoff glamour wave….

Has anyone experience of this perm ??

 

[jb336]

I am surprised to see the comment calling an Air Perm "hogwash," and others calling it "old fashioned." I have been getting perms for over 40 years. When I got my 1st Air Perm 10 years ago, it was like a miracle had occurred. The results are so much better than you can get from a standard perm. My hair is extremely fine and has suffered a chemical haircut before from the standard perm process. The Air Perm does not cause the damage that standard perms caused to my hair. Also, the curls are natural looking and long lasting. There is a HUGE difference in how the curls ultimately turn out. It is quite frankly amazing! I will never allow a standard perm to touch my hair again. Even though I have to drive to a different town to get an air perm, and sleep with rods on my head overnight, and drive back to the other town the next day to get the rods out --- it is well worth the trouble, because the results are nothing like a standard perm. It has been very disappointing to discover that so few stylists know how to perform the Air Perm. And even more disappointing to see some of you dismissing the Air Perm out of hand. I speak from decades of experience, and extensive trials and tribulations. No -- the Air Perm is not "hogwash." It is the gold standard for perms. There is just no comparison.

 

[jb336]

 

[jb336]

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My hairdresser has been doing air perms on me for a long time. I didn’t realize it was so risky, but I really like the way it turns out. We usually let it dry for about 6 hrs and I think she does use a neutralizer after it’s mostly air dried.
I haven’t gotten it done since the pandemic and I’m considering going to get it renewed. I strongly prefer it to a regular perm. It does last until it’s cut out. My hairdresser is getting a little older. I love her and also wish more folks did these.
I read an Oliplex post that suggested maybe there newer processes.
Does anyone know more?
Many thanks for sharing in advance my hair is a limp mess without a perm!

 

[Dcolorist]

I have a client that is wanting me to do an "Air Perm" on her. I am somewhat familiar in as much, as I know that this process does not use a chemical neutralizer, rather oxygen in the air. I have read where some suggest the client remaining in rods for 24 hrs and others for 12 hours. Has anyone had any experience in this, and if so:
1) What is the minimum time needed to air neutralize?
2) What is the best perm to use for this process on colored hair?
3) Are there any other steps needed to be taken rather than just to rinse the waving lotion and wait?

Steve

We did them in Beverly Hills for years , 24 hours and the curls are much softer , longer lasting and look more like natural hair and it’s also amazing for perm extensions

 

[cyberiada]

Thank you for offering so much of your knowledge as explanation.

I'm not a trained professional. I am just a consumer who has personally experienced the superior results I get from an air perm. There are, however, renowned professionals who speak to the superiority of the air perm. If you are not interested in my experience as a consumer, perhaps the opinions of other professionals will pique your interest.

In the Tressa Advanced Chemistry Book it states "the longer the perm air oxidizes the more stable the perm will be."

Paul Mitchell XO Perm recommends an "air oxidation period before neutralizing."

According to Rick Lesser, the Ft. Lauderdale hair and makeup artist, "The longer you can air neutralize the better. The down side to this is it takes 12 to 24 hours to complete in order to re-form the bonds to their new shape. The up side? A totally natural, lustrous curl lasting until it’s cut out."

Corinne Bertorelli, Product Testing Specialist for L'anza Research Internation, Inc. wrote in a 1994 letter, "First of all I want to tell you that I have been working quite a lot with air neutralizing my perms. It has been absolutely wonderful. The results are incredible and I can see why you are so excited about this technique."

"Those who are willing to go through the discomfort of wearing the rollers overnight, will have the most beautiful perm possible." ~quote attributed to Jheri Redding, founder of Nexxus and Redken.

I hope you find this information useful in understanding that "Air Perms" do offer superior results. I have experienced it first-hand. Everyone who meets me thinks my hair is naturally curly. It is not a gimmick. I only pay $130 for an air perm in the highly expensive Bay Area of California. It's not more expensive. It's just better. A LOT better.

Because I'm *just* a consumer, I have no need to understand the anatomy or the chemistry of it all. The proof is in the pudding. I've gotten A LOT of perms over the past 40 years, and as someone with extremely FINE, curl-resistant hair, I can tell you the air perm is a game changer.

My purpose in writing on this forum is to urge all of you professionals to learn this technique. It is very unsettling to know that if something were to happen to my current stylist, I might not be able to get an air perm anymore because no one else seems to know how to do them.

I hope I have offered enough research of my own, from professionals, to finally pique your interest in the elusive, fabulous, Air Perm.

Thank you.

Hello,
Omg, I'm sitting in my flex rollers with the home made perking! on my head right now!
My hair is very fine and needs body wave. The regular salon perms were always damaging and when the time came that I neded to use a permanent hair dye I just couldn't perm it anymore.
So, I've learned how to dye my hair with henna and indigo and how to do an air perm at home
It is a miracle. Soft undamaged shiny hair! I was hoping for good results obviously but wasn't expecting something so amazing.

I was googling air perms because I'm using a cold dryer to jump start the process now, with good results, and was hoping to find some info about speeding things up with that method. So I found this forum and...

I just couldn't believe the responses that you were getting after sharing your experience and research. It's always so sad to see effects of ignorance combined with arrogance.
Happy perming!

 

[big becca]

Thsi thread is very interesting to read. I love to see great mind try to figure something out together. This is how we as humans evolve <3

Im gonna try out drying the hair for 24 hours and then aplying (perhaps a diluted) neutralizer.

 

[MsITtech]

Reading advertising puff and posting unverified quotes does not constitute research.

Research in its most basic form requires you to collate large quantities of data from reputable source information. To carefully analyse and evaluate the data and only draw conclusions when you have carefully considered all the results.

To reiterate:

Your ‘Air’ perm is simply one small part of the whole perming process and relates to fixing the newly created bonds. If the perm solution applied hasnt broken enough bonds in the first place, you can Air neutralise ‘till the cows come home and it won’t make a scrap of difference.

What’s far more relevant is the type of perm solution applied. Acid or Alkaline.

WRONG! Air Oxidized perms make a HUGE difference! Hair remains silky, not frizzy and lasts forever!

 

[dianaadr]

I dream about Air Perm too. I tried to do it at home but it didn't work for me and I found supercuts in time. They helped me there and showed me what my mistake was. Therefore, I say once again that it is very important to contact professionals and some things should not be repeated at home

 

[Summer]

I am surprised to see the comment calling an Air Perm "hogwash," and others calling it "old fashioned." I have been getting perms for over 40 years. When I got my 1st Air Perm 10 years ago, it was like a miracle had occurred. The results are so much better than you can get from a standard perm. My hair is extremely fine and has suffered a chemical haircut before from the standard perm process. The Air Perm does not cause the damage that standard perms caused to my hair. Also, the curls are natural looking and long lasting. There is a HUGE difference in how the curls ultimately turn out. It is quite frankly amazing! I will never allow a standard perm to touch my hair again. Even though I have to drive to a different town to get an air perm, and sleep with rods on my head overnight, and drive back to the other town the next day to get the rods out --- it is well worth the trouble, because the results are nothing like a standard perm. It has been very disappointing to discover that so few stylists know how to perform the Air Perm. And even more disappointing to see some of you dismissing the Air Perm out of hand. I speak from decades of experience, and extensive trials and tribulations. No -- the Air Perm is not "hogwash." It is the gold standard for perms. There is just no comparison.

I couldn’t agree more! I too got regular perms for years. Now I won’t get a perm UNLESS it is an air perm.

My curls are GORGEOUS!!! And they last 7 + months… I say + because I don’t know how long they will actually last as I get a new air perm due to the new hair growth.

My hair is silky fine and regular perms never lasted as long - nor was my hair ever as curly. This means I had to get perms more often which means this not only damaged my hair more due to having to process it more but it also cost more as I had to pay for more perms.

Maybe the sour “professional” stylists posting on here live by the predatorial capitalistic mindset and don’t like that we don’t need to get a perm as often. This is the only reason why the bitching makes sense. Or it’s simply pure ignorance.

I will post a photo of my before and after air perm… I am getting one right now!

 

[WeltZumerr]

Thsi thread is very interesting to read. I love to see great mind try to figure something out together. This is how we as humans evolve <3 santoku knives

Im gonna try out drying the hair for 24 hours and then aplying (perhaps a diluted) neutralizer. power bi revit

Thats great to hear!

 

[William Dean]

I have a client that is wanting me to do an "Air Perm" on her. I am somewhat familiar in as much, as I know that this process does not use a chemical neutralizer, rather oxygen in the air. I have read where some suggest the client remaining in rods for 24 hrs and others for 12 hours. Has anyone had any experience in this, and if so:
1) What is the minimum time needed to air neutralize?
2) What is the best perm to use for this process on colored hair?
3) Are there any other steps needed to be taken rather than just to rinse the waving lotion and wait?

Steve

I do this to give a bigger curl too. Perm on a small enough rod to brake the bonds then when processed shampoo the hair rods out! Then wrap the hair on sponge rollers and net them. My clients then come back the next day with beautiful curl that looks natural and no damage. Then I show them how to work with their new hair!

 

[vividamnesia]

I have a client that is wanting me to do an "Air Perm" on her. I am somewhat familiar in as much, as I know that this process does not use a chemical neutralizer, rather oxygen in the air. I have read where some suggest the client remaining in rods for 24 hrs and others for 12 hours. Has anyone had any experience in this, and if so:
1) What is the minimum time needed to air neutralize?
2) What is the best perm to use for this process on colored hair?
3) Are there any other steps needed to be taken rather than just to rinse the waving lotion and wait?

Steve

 

[vividamnesia]

https://leclassichairstudio.com/air-wave-perm/#:~:text=Is an air wave perm,of your air wave perm.

𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗱𝗲𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 𝗴𝗮𝗿𝗯𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗶𝗻𝗱𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗿𝘆! 𝗣𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘀𝘁𝘂𝗱𝗶𝗲𝗱 𝗻𝗼𝗿 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗲𝗱 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 "𝗵𝗮𝗶𝗿"

 

[vividamnesia]

https://leclassichairstudio.com/air-wave-perm/#:~:text=Is an air wave perm,of your air wave perm.

𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗱𝗲𝗳𝗶𝗻𝗲𝘀 𝗴𝗮𝗿𝗯𝗮𝗴𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗶𝗻𝗱𝘂𝘀𝘁𝗿𝘆! 𝗣𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝘄𝗵𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗻𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿 𝘀𝘁𝘂𝗱𝗶𝗲𝗱 𝗻𝗼𝗿 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗿𝗻𝗲𝗱 𝗮𝗻𝘆𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴 "𝗵𝗮𝗶𝗿"

𝗔𝗺𝗺𝗼𝗻𝗶𝘂𝗺 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗼𝗴𝗹𝘆𝗰𝗼𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗮𝗶𝗻 𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗿𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗶𝗻 𝗮 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘃𝗲. 𝗜𝘁 𝗯𝗿𝗲𝗮𝗸𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗱𝗶𝘀𝘂𝗹𝗳𝗶𝗱𝗲 𝗯𝗼𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 "𝗱𝗮𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗲𝘀" 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗺 & 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗻𝗲𝘂𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘇𝗲𝗿 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘀𝗲 𝗯𝗼𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗵𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝘁𝗮𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗽𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗼𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗵𝗮𝗶𝗿 𝗶𝘀 𝘄𝗿𝗮𝗽𝗽𝗲𝗱 𝗮𝗿𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗶𝘁 𝗿𝗲𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝘀 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘀𝗲𝘀 𝗯𝗿𝗼𝗸𝗲𝗻 𝗯𝗼𝗻𝗱𝘀.𝗛𝘆𝗱𝗿𝗼𝗴𝗲𝗻 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗼𝘅𝗶𝗱𝗲, 𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗶𝘂𝗺 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗯𝗼𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗼𝗿 𝘀𝗼𝗱𝗶𝘂𝗺 𝗯𝗿𝗼𝗺𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗺𝗮𝗶𝗻 𝗮𝗰𝘁𝗶𝘃𝗲 𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗿𝗲𝗱𝗶𝗲𝗻𝘁𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗻𝗲𝘂𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗹𝗶𝘇𝗲𝗿.

𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺 𝗶𝘀 𝘁𝗲𝗰𝗵𝗻𝗶𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝘆 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 a "𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘃𝗲" 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗵𝗮𝗶𝗿 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗰𝗵𝗮𝗻𝗴𝗲𝗱 𝘁𝗼 𝘀𝗵𝗮𝗽𝗲 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝘄𝗿𝗮𝗽 𝗺𝗼𝘀𝘁 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗹𝘆. 𝗧𝗵𝗶𝘀 "𝗮𝗶𝗿 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺" 𝘀𝗼𝘂𝗻𝗱𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝗻 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗵𝗲𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗯𝗲𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗰𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗲𝗱 𝗮 "𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺" 𝘀𝗶𝗻𝗰𝗲 𝗶𝘁𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗲𝗻𝘁. 𝗙𝘆𝗶...𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗯𝗶𝗴𝗴𝗲𝗿/𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗸𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗿𝗼𝗱 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗹𝗼𝘀𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗰𝘂𝗿𝗹.

𝗧𝗵𝗲 𝗮𝗿𝘁 𝗼𝗳 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗳𝗲𝗰𝘁𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗮𝗻𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝘄𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝘀𝗵𝗼𝘂𝗹𝗱 𝗯𝗲 𝗺𝗮𝘀𝘁𝗲𝗿𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗮𝗻𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗼𝗻𝗲𝗻𝘁 𝗰𝗼𝘀𝗺𝗲𝘁𝗼𝗹𝗼𝗴𝗶𝘀𝘁 𝗰𝗹𝗮𝗶𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗼 𝗯𝗲 𝘄𝗼𝗿𝗸𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗮𝘀 𝗮 𝗵𝗮𝗶𝗿 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 & 𝗶𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗱𝗮𝗺𝗮𝗴𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘄𝗵𝗲𝗻 𝗽𝗿𝗲𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝗲𝗱 𝗯𝘆 𝗮 𝗽𝗿𝗼. 𝗧𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝘀𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗮𝗹 𝘀𝘁𝗿𝗲𝗻𝗴𝘁𝗵𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗽𝗲𝗿𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘀𝗼𝗹𝘂𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀 𝘀𝗽𝗲𝗰𝗶𝗳𝗶𝗰𝗹𝘆 𝗳𝗼𝗿𝗺𝘂𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗲𝗱 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝘀𝘁𝗮𝘁𝗲𝘀/𝘁𝘆𝗽𝗲𝘀 𝗼𝗳 𝗵𝗮𝗶𝗿 𝘄𝗵𝗶𝗰𝗵 𝗶𝘀 𝗮𝗹𝘀𝗼 𝗸𝗻𝗼𝘄𝗻 𝗯𝘆 𝗮 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 .