basic colour info

[persianista]

I think I may be the only L'Oreal officionado on here, so I like to be clear with my answers!

I dislike being contradicted because people "think" their tutor told them different. I have been colouring hair longer than they have been alive. Sadly.

 

[kimi1101]

Well when I was at college (private) I did level2 and 3, and no one ever mentioned 3%.

There was a bottle in the cupboard and I asked what it was for, was told it was for bleach.

The girl who trained me never used 3% either.

Thats why its so great to come on here and have lots of info to soak up!

 

[masonnewby]

thank you persianista you are the hair guru!thank you so much training was very basic and nothing was explained thats why i am paying and doing it all again.i really enjoy doing hair and want to be good at it.so thank you for your time i have wrote everything down in my folder ready togo.as for 3% i to was never told what it was for.just 6,9,12 and i will be returning to loreal when all this stupid stuff clears up.i told sallys i hated it and they sadi all the responce the have is positive well they need to get on her.again thank you for all your help xx

 

[persianista]

Oh dear I will explain to the client who pays me a hundred quid every three weeks that I did yesterday that I have been getting it wrong all these years. I lifted her base 5 natural colour up to a nine using 10.1 and 30 vol. Around her hairline where it is very White I used 9 with 10 vol. I thought, and she thought it was a fab even colour throughout. As she has been a client for 25 years I had better warn her that I have no idea what I am doing!!!

 

[persianista]

Ok I hang my head in shame. My C&G mastercraftsman qualification and loreal colour keys 3 is clearly no match for your superior nvq2 training! Will give up on hair posts as I really will not waste time arguing. I only own three colour specialist salons. What would I know?

 

[persianista]

Have just read your last post out to my stylists! They are laughing their heads off at you. They are all adamant that majirel can be used with ten vol. The consensus is that a college course and a couple of short courses that clearly haven't brought you up to the standard of a salon stylist really are no substitute for years of experience.
As for things changing if you read my posts that I am now using inoa which is a progression from majirel. Sadly only available to salons at the moment.

The next time I am at loreal hq in my capacity as one of the biggest loreal accounts in London I will double check with my friend who is cheif educator. That'll give her a chuckle.

 

[Penners]

gosh,
I've been on this forum for a couple of days as I'm returning to hairdressing having qualified 20yrs ago and worked in salons then I had a children break!
anyway I'd like to thank you persianista for your advice so far and the fact that you take time to answer and help because to be honest this forum is a lifeline to freelancers who don't have the experienced collegues to bounce ideas off, Please carry on with your expert advice i'll certainly be listening!

 

[EMZAGEEK69]

hear hear!!! im with u above!!thankyou persianista 4 ur tip top expertise.im so grateful we hav this site to bounce ideas around,and ov course havin persianista's brain to pick!!!!! :o:lol: dnt be haten

 

[Mrs Geek]

I honestly think I am doomed to give my opinions to this thread. I couldnt do it from my mobile and after a long reply, my laptop re-started and I lost it all.:twisted::twisted:

OK one more time... :Look_righ

When Samuel and I first started this site (many moons ago) it was called 'nailgeek.com' and after many hair and skin fans asked, it was changed to 'salongeek' with Skin and Hair Forums added As nails is my forte I dont always visit Skin and Hair but I like hair as the industry is similar to our own and I have enjoyed reading Persianista's posts. I thought 'yeyyyy' - we have a hair pro who is investing her time to help the hair geeks and knows her stuff.

@Purple Butterfly - yes I agree one must follow the manufactures guidelines. We give this consistent info to our own CND / MINX customers all the time plus - we dont sell our professional products without education so we know our customers are getting trained by the best - independant - fully trained CND Education Ambassadors - no one knows our proucts better than we know them.

I often find (although there has been improvement for sure), that college students with an NVQ Level II (minimum) seem to know the least amount and have the least amount of technical ability when they leave college. So much so that S2 will only sell professional product to those who have passed NVQ Level III - we must also remember that NVQ is the minimum industry standard.

What you need to be minful of is that years of experience can teach us many things and particularly 'tricks of the trade'.

I think it would be safe and fair to say, that if you are the owner of 3 salons, have a large and loyal clientele and have years of experience under your belt, you would indeed be considered a success.

Had you posted 'Persianista, the guidelines on my product are different from the ones you have given. Why would this be?.... you would have had a very different response. As it was, your post was disrespectful and verging on rude.

No one is saying they know everything, for me, reading the whole 3% vol / lift stuff, is like me discussing the benefits of IPN technology - it gets lost on me - but, be respectful of your fellow geeks and post in a respectful way. This thread got out of hand for one reason and one reason only....

Wrong, the minimum for Majirel is 20 vol (6%), Max 30 vol (9%).

6% - Darker, Same shade, up to 2 levels of lift
9% - up to 3 levels of lift

Majirel can only be lifted up to 3 levels.

I also use L'oreal, I was trained in it and I was never taught to use 3% in this brand. Manufacturers instructions are exactly the same.

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It is hard to get used to web ettiquette but we all had to do it - I hope you learn to do the same.

 

[skankinchar]

See I was told to use 10vol for darkening and tone on tone, but from reading this thread I see I have a lot to learn... this is why I love Salon Geek!

 

[persianista]

Mrs Geek, thankyou for your response. I agree wholeheartedly that manufacturers instructions are there to be followed, however, there are tips, tricks and oddities that I have learnt through years of doing this job.
Years of being the person that takes on the corrrection jobs that nobody else will touch.
Years of playing around with, and researching colour.
Years of working alongside, and learning from, hairdressers who know more than me.
I would not post a definative answer unless I am 100% sure that the advice I give is correct. There are ways of saying "maybe" and "what if".
When Wella colours are asked about, I either don't post, or post in generalised terms. With Majirel I am fearlessly expert.
The average college tutor would run for it if presented with some of the colour jobs I face on a daily basis. My salons are named after the first colour pigment used by man. So I built my reputation around my technical work.

So I apologise if you would prefer not to get an exact definative answer, or if it doesnt agree with the simplistic teaching on a basic course, but for those with an interest or passion for colour, fire away x

 

[shedunlop]

Great post Mrs Geek! We are all privileged that you take the time to run this site and the rules are fairly simple to follow. We all have disagreements from time to time but should show respect to eachother at all times.

There are a few of us on here who may have to odd grey hair and a few saggy bits that need an extra bit of scaffolding but our experience is invaluable to others. Manufacturers can only give instructions on basic usage of products, they could not possibly list all the probabilities that come up in everyday situations. That's when our experience kicks in! I only wish Persianista was a nail geek as well as I would hang on her every word.

 

[kimi1101]

I only wish Persianista was a nail geek as well as I would hang on her every word.

she says she's cr*p at nails

its good to get advice from someone who can admit strengths and weaknesses

 

[persianista]

Yup, can't do nails, and was a rubbish beauty therapist!
Hair is , and has always been, the love of my life.

 

[kimi1101]

Allan, Ted and cats, close your ears!!!

 

[-sophisticutz-]

Wow, a week off posting and it's all high excitement and drama! I missed all the good rucks ;p

I use 3% ALL the time. For the past 22 years, which is my entire career. I love it, it is my best friend. I have used, over the years, Matrix, XP (yuk!), Tresemme (yukkers!), Goldwell, L'oreal, Wella, Tigi and Schwartzkopf. All work well. I use it with bleach for a gentle lift, darkening, over bleach pieces, colour correcting, grey coverage and tone on tone. It has less 'shock' to the cuticle, make brunettes shine and locks in those reds nice and tight.

It does annoy me with colleges how they never teach the correct usage of peroxide. You get your strengths right and you'll always have success.

 

[minky]

Tee hee lol how did you know I had flat feet and was grizzled :lol:

 

[persianista]

Educated guess Minky!!!!

 

[princessrach]

Wow, this has provided some entertainment to me this morning haha.

On a serious note, colouring is not my forte at all. I have been away from it for so long that I do seek guidence and clarity on the rare occasions I do it, so the opinions and advice of Persianista (and Minky) have helped me greatly so please please dont stop giving out the advice because I am always taking it in

 

[lucelasticx]

Hear hear!!!