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Ebay is cheaper and I'm disturbed !!!
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bubbabinks
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O.K. this is the situation I'm in at the moment and I agree with a lot of your comments so please don't shoot me down!:lol:
I have my NVQ2 and NVQ3 in nail services, I trained with the local college who use drum roll please......The Edge.
I know that I want to use Ezflow and further my training with them and I have been informed by a company that supply Ezflow that I can purchase all of their products without providing a copy of my certificate and it was me that asked by the way!
I'm currently setting up to go live on real paying clients and my personal opinion is that I don't want to use Ezflow and have clients mis-understanding and thinking I have trained with them, now I haven't trained with The Edge but I have trained with their products.
It does annoy me that they sell on Ebay and to Joe public, but right now until I can afford further training they are my only option unless I use Ezflow without training and then don't get the best of the products.
What's a tech to do in my position?
I have my NVQ2 and NVQ3 in nail services, I trained with the local college who use drum roll please......The Edge.
I know that I want to use Ezflow and further my training with them and I have been informed by a company that supply Ezflow that I can purchase all of their products without providing a copy of my certificate and it was me that asked by the way!
I'm currently setting up to go live on real paying clients and my personal opinion is that I don't want to use Ezflow and have clients mis-understanding and thinking I have trained with them, now I haven't trained with The Edge but I have trained with their products.
It does annoy me that they sell on Ebay and to Joe public, but right now until I can afford further training they are my only option unless I use Ezflow without training and then don't get the best of the products.
What's a tech to do in my position?
min11
Well-Known Member
Totally agree..........
They are no longer a PROFESSIONAL product....
How can they be, when anyone can buy themnot just professionals.
I think a "professional" brand is a brand that can ONLY be bought by professionals...............
Thats what threw me, they have a spread in Scratch last month so I was shocked to find they sell via Ebay and their website to just anyone, no certificates needed, or conversion..........
I want MY professional products to be avaiable to ME the PROFESSIONAL...........
If I paid for their training it would peeve me enormously to find any one can buy them.
bexi
Well-Known Member
Yes obviously there products are still on there - from people who know they shouldnt be!
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
MANY companies make a 'show' of saying they only sell to professionals but IN FACT most of them sell to anyone at all, which you can easily find out for yourself if you ring them personally, as bubbabinks did.
Greed and lack of any government regulations is ruining this industry and opening it up as wide as a barn door for those without ethics or scruples to destroy it ... and many technicians are helping them.
Why not take a stand against it??
I know who my support would go to; those who supported ME and my business and my future development.
Greed and lack of any government regulations is ruining this industry and opening it up as wide as a barn door for those without ethics or scruples to destroy it ... and many technicians are helping them.
Why not take a stand against it??
I know who my support would go to; those who supported ME and my business and my future development.
I know this is under the nail heading and I wouldn't for a moment consider passing any comment on a topic I know little about however I would like to pick up on the wider issue that has come about from this thread.
Im with Giggi on this and fully support her view :hug:
There is alway's someone out there in a three wheel yellow van that will sell you something cheaper than from buying it from a company who have higher overheads and more commitment in customer support(which alway's comes at a cost)
Given the complete lack of cover that current legislation offers anyone can set up and undercut the competition and inveriably they then go out of buisness because their reduced prices do not cover their overheads sufficiently to sustain the buisness and it is the manufactures who then need to pick up the peices.
I see that we are all reliant upon each other ..the manufacturer developes a product at considerable cost and risk so that the next in the chain can derive an income out of the product(or service) being offered which in turn provides an income back to the manufacturer to sustain their buisness of developing and providing goods to you in the first place...and so it goes on.
Of course it is only human nature to "grab a bargain" and who am I or we to complain when this happens...but just remember though "you might save a few pence here and there but in the long term this does have an undermining effect on this industry on which we all depend."
We therefore need to support each other...because without one the other simply does not exist and we all end up working the tills at Asda 5 nights a week so we can cover our living cost' :hug:
SammiG
Well-Known Member
Hi geeks,
I completely agree with you guys.
I'm fully trained and qualified.
Nsi asked for evidence of my qualification when I first started purchasing a few years ago. (I took a conversion course later) but I have bought l&p from two very well known companies without having to 'show' evidence of my qualifications. I just told them I was qualified. I don't think we're ever going to stop people selling on ebay -also anyone can walk into Sallys and buy salon systems products.
It's a shame but I do understand about the issue of things like tips being so much cheaper on ebay. It's very difficult to know what to do.
Sam x
I completely agree with you guys.
I'm fully trained and qualified.
Nsi asked for evidence of my qualification when I first started purchasing a few years ago. (I took a conversion course later) but I have bought l&p from two very well known companies without having to 'show' evidence of my qualifications. I just told them I was qualified. I don't think we're ever going to stop people selling on ebay -also anyone can walk into Sallys and buy salon systems products.
It's a shame but I do understand about the issue of things like tips being so much cheaper on ebay. It's very difficult to know what to do.
Sam x
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
I always laugh when I hear people call distributors greedy.
Who really are the greedy ones??? The distributors who run legitimate business with the overheads that go along with it OR the so called technicians who can make an excellent return on products bought from legitimate businesses at normal prices but instead choose to save a few pennies here and there and think they are so clever. Personally I think that is greedy.
Even when using the highest end products, a nail technician only spends about 13% of the cost of a service on her porducts. 13% is not allot on the cost of service at all. Other business are lucky to get a 50% return on their cost of goods. To try to get even more by biting the hand that feeds you is in my view not only stupid but greedy.
When techs can no longer buy illigitmate products who will they be running to ...? That is if people have not been put out of business first.
Who really are the greedy ones??? The distributors who run legitimate business with the overheads that go along with it OR the so called technicians who can make an excellent return on products bought from legitimate businesses at normal prices but instead choose to save a few pennies here and there and think they are so clever. Personally I think that is greedy.
Even when using the highest end products, a nail technician only spends about 13% of the cost of a service on her porducts. 13% is not allot on the cost of service at all. Other business are lucky to get a 50% return on their cost of goods. To try to get even more by biting the hand that feeds you is in my view not only stupid but greedy.
When techs can no longer buy illigitmate products who will they be running to ...? That is if people have not been put out of business first.
tracey louise
Well-Known Member
i totally agree with that the products i use and buy from my distributor should only be availiable for professionals and not just anyone for the exact reason that emmsybabes said.i dont want my client seeing that the products i use as a professional she has just bought the same thing to be able to do her own and thinking that i charge way to much for my services when the product only costs ???.
all i can say is,is that i saw an oppertunity to try something cheaper and i took it.if the product was faulty etc ... then i only have myself to blame.xx
i still buy almost all my products from my main distributor as has been said before they are the ones who are supporting us so we must support them in return.i would never ever not buy my products from my distributor even if i could get them cheaper on elsewhere.xxx
all i can say is,is that i saw an oppertunity to try something cheaper and i took it.if the product was faulty etc ... then i only have myself to blame.xx
i still buy almost all my products from my main distributor as has been said before they are the ones who are supporting us so we must support them in return.i would never ever not buy my products from my distributor even if i could get them cheaper on elsewhere.xxx
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I couldn't agree more. All my *chemicals* i buy at my local distributor but some other materials i buy from overseas distributors *not ebay or so* since there is a crazy price difference. for example the pro styler master here in sweden costs 967 kronor which is if i put it in dollar with this rate 161 dollar. I bought mine for 33 dollar...
Another example, the ezflow color kits kost 700 kronor which is 116 dollar and from overseas distributors 29 dollars.I think that it is obvious that people look somewhere else for certain items if they get the same quality, support etc...for a lower price
I understand indeed the support your distributors but still it's a bussines and i as a nailtech. I am running one aswell. So i try to make money with what i like and if i can lower my expenses without compromising on quality and performance i don,t think that it is such a horrible and greedy think to do.
tracey louise
Well-Known Member
i totally agree with you and vhunter.for this is the reason that i made my purchase from ebay in the first place as the price was alot cheaper as it was from over seas.xxI couldn't agree more. All my *chemicals* i buy at my local distributor but some other materials i buy from overseas distributors *not ebay or so* since there is a crazy price difference. for example the pro styler master here in sweden costs 967 kronor which is if i put it in dollar with this rate 161 dollar. I bought mine for 33 dollar...
I think that it is obvious that people look somewhere else for certain items if they get the same quality, support etc...for a lower price
I understand indeed the support your distributors but still it's a bussines and i as a nailtech. I am running one aswell. So i try to make money with what i like and if i can lower my expenses without compromising on quality and performance i don,t think that it is such a horrible and greedy think to do.
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
I think some of you forget that your prices for the nails you do are also more than twice what USA techs charge. Yet instead of paying what it costs to purchase your products from a legitimate supplier you think you can buy at usa prices and charge double ... whose greedy? Come on.
Or are you all doing the right thing and charging half what others ( who are supporting their local distributors) are charging for their nails?? I'm sure you all are doing that ??? NOT.
Or are you all doing the right thing and charging half what others ( who are supporting their local distributors) are charging for their nails?? I'm sure you all are doing that ??? NOT.
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
MY POINT is don't call distributors greedy when you are being so yourself ...just in case you missed it.
I don,t want to be fussy but I can't recal callin my local distributors greedy geeg. I was just pointing out the extreem price differences. How or why they get to these prices i don,t know and they can be placed in all fairness.
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
My comments through out have been general not personal. But since you ask .. it is obvoius you have no idea ...
Is it really so dificult to understand?? Huge shipping costs ... huge tax costs .. huge duty costs .. international currency fluctuations against the dollar ... offices .... staff ... large websites ... shows ... advertising .. catalogues ... education programmes ... publishing ... telephones ... need i go on??
How do you get to your prIces?? You have just indicated that you are charging way over what you spend and that is OK with you THAT'S just business!! I would guess that your profit margin is way over what any distributor makes.
Yes I'm totally with you on this Gigi and understand what you are saying. But where do all these other companies get all this stock?? If it is legal etc. it puts our industry in a bit of a predicament to say the least.
The lack of exhibitors at shows etc has shown us that.
A lot of distributors just can't afford to do it.
I just think it all means that this is getting very cut throat.
People have seen a gap and are going to it asap regarding ebay shops etc. They know for a fact that they WILL sell their products at a discount rate.
Worrying. Very worrying.
About as worrying as every person in the world thinks they can do nails after a one day course.
Sad.
Yes ofcourse i understand that it is general and not personal. I respond everytime again to your posts since i am thinking quite different and i think that it is interesting to read your point of view. I know that they have their reasons on how they get to their prices. But you can,t compare my profit margin as a single nailtech. compared to a large scaled distributor that sells materials for a substantial sum every month. My prices or based on what any average working person makes and defenitly didn,t grab them out of the air. And saying that i am charging way over what i spend is not fair since the expenses of product for every service aren,t that high for anyone. But for myself these small bits can save up to 100dollar? So i don,t think that i am overcharging my customers by saving 2 dollar in total
per service.
SammiG
Well-Known Member
I do agree that there are extreme price differences. Especially at the $ / £ rate at the moment. I know a couple of nail techs who always purchase creative products from the States as it is cheaper. I must say I can understand why they do it. If I could by for example -NSI products cheaper including carriage price, from a proper distributor in another country, I have got to be honest, I would think about doing it. Why don't distributors stop selling abroad? Are they greedy too? I understand both points of view but I can understand where Mieke is coming from. Every single company I have worked with source the bast value products. What is wrong with that? It is business. I'm not talking about ebay. I'm talking about distributors abroad.
Geeg, everyone is entitled to have a view. I do think you are being a bit harsh by telling Mieke he has no idea. Everyone is allowed to have a view and it doesn't mean they haven't got a clue just because you Don't agree!
geeg
Judge Gigi-Honorary Geek
I totally respect others points of view and I always have, but most people do have no idea if they are not distributors themselves (why would they?). I don't think Mieke and I have a problem with it so why should you?
What I do have a problem with is people who wish to address me personally who do so in the public forum instead of obeying the site rules and sending me a private message.
