i dont know what skin care cleanser to use...

[EMMA AT ELITE]

I didn't think Liz Earl was a professional salon product!? Estee lauder and the body shop certainly aren't but if you don't want salon results they may be fine. I thought we were meant to be sticking to professional only products for advise.

Hi
I have just read this thread, and you couldnt be more wrong.
Liz Earle is amazing, it is not a professional salon product - correct. However it really should be!
I can garentee that you will see `salon results` from Liz Earle products.
I think if any fellow geek wants advice on a product, its doesnt have to be PROFESSIONAL ONLY. Its a product at the end of the day.
I strongly recommend you WEEZIE to buy just one product of Liz Earle, before you pass judgement.
Try the cleanse and polish- it is amazing!

 

[prettylady]

couldnt agree more with emma! all i want at the end of the day is a good product! the here and there is meaningless to me..
all i meant was no l'oreal, and nivea visage!

 

[weezie]

Hi
I have just read this thread, and you couldnt be more wrong.
Liz Earle is amazing, it is not a professional salon product - correct. However it really should be!
I can garentee that you will see `salon results` from Liz Earle products.
I think if any fellow geek wants advice on a product, its doesnt have to be PROFESSIONAL ONLY. Its a product at the end of the day.
I strongly recommend you WEEZIE to buy just one product of Liz Earle, before you pass judgement.
Try the cleanse and polish- it is amazing!

My friend used it so I've tried it and read the ingredients. I'm not a fan of coco butter on the face, plus I don't think a cleanser should be trying to do the job of a moisturizer too.

It is very basic compared to some salon products but I didn't say it was not effective to a point on a skin with no real problems, just that it's not a professional product. I'm not sure it would be the best for an oily skin.

The advise to cleanse with a hot cloth is not a good idea as cleansing should be done with tepid water so not to break the capillaries. Also the cloth would need to be washed daily as you are using it to remove make up as well as any oils/dirt on the skin. But using a clean muslin cloth would be effective in helping with a cleanse as would a sponge or flannel.

P.s there's no need to shout at me! :hug:

It's a free country so if you are happy to use this I'm not trying to stop you. :hug:

But I thought with all the emphasis lately on this being a professional forum that a professional product would be best advised. x

 

[Chameleon]

hi prettylady,

I too use Liz Earle, on myself AND my clients.

i use cleanse and polish, and remove it with steamed mitts (muslin for me though).
I use the toner, exfoliator, brightening mask, eye serum, daily eye repair and then moisturiser.

Just a thought....does your insurance actually permit you for using these products,as they are not professionaly available to salon owners?

And yes Weezie...i thought this was forum,the skin geek was about recommending a pro brand as opposed to an OTC brand:lol:

Liz Earle may be a "naturally active " skin care range....but then so do many others...i would like to know the percentages of active ingredients....but then again,i shall not digress from the point of the thread:lol:

My advice is seek a professional...only he or she will actually know face to face what your skin type is and what it needs to cleanse and desquamate your skin

Something gentle,yet effective,and something you certainly would not need to cleanse the eye area aswell,this is an area that needs to be treated differently,as it is delicate....you certainly should not be cleansing with something that is cream like in texture and could lead to puffy,swollen eyes.....Liz Earle may not cause this,but you do need a seperate eye cleanser to effectively remove eye make up remover:green:

Whatever professional salon brand cleanser AND toner you obtain from your therapist,you will undoutebtly get the result you need....hth:hug:

 

[Zo Zo]

Hmm, I'm not sure we can make a recommendaton without seeing the skin, so as Gabi says, seek out a professional!

It's all very well saying such and such brand is fantastic but that is personal to the user... we all have different skin, so what is fantastic for one person is not necessarily fantastic for another..

Weezie is right, we are not meant to be discussing otc products anyway!

 

[gillian w]

The thing is with skincare is what do you class as professional.Is it a range that can only be purchase via professionals in which case that rules out Elemis,Clarins,Decleor,Dermalogica i can get them on the net in stores from qvc etc etc.
There are certain brands i can only get as a professional from my local wholesalers,they are horrible nasty products full of mineral oil and alcohol.
Creme de la mer extremely effective, or maybe not ,but probably full of active ingredient.
Cleanse and polish as an all in one makeup remover full of good ingredients recommended many times in many magazines,beauty bible etc etc by many people in the beauty industry and the general public time and time again.
The salon geek site carries their advertising banner so its surely hypocrisy if its good enough to take their sponsor money but not agree that its a good product.

 

[Zo Zo]

The thing is with skincare is what do you class as professional.Is it a range that can only be purchase via professionals in which case that rules out Elemis,Clarins,Decleor,Dermalogica i can get them on the net in stores from qvc etc etc.
There are certain brands i can only get as a professional from my local wholesalers,they are horrible nasty products full of mineral oil and alcohol.
Creme de la mer extremely effective, or maybe not ,but probably full of active ingredient.
Cleanse and polish as an all in one makeup remover full of good ingredients recommended many times in many magazines,beauty bible etc etc by many people in the beauty industry and the general public time and time again.
The salon geek site carries their advertising banner so its surely hypocrisy if its good enough to take their sponsor money but not agree that its a good product.

Virtually all products are available without professional advice but Elemis, Clarins, Decleor etc are also available with professional advice:green:

 

[essentia]

Hi there - there have been some valid points made here. I tend to see professional brands as one that have their own research laboratories and invest in product development aimed at the professional beauty therapist to ensure its correct usage. I agree beauty wholesalers can offer such dire stuff sometimes!! and is promoted under the guise 'professional' which is misleading but aimed at cost conscious pros or students. I have tried Liz Earle and although I love her concept I do think there is a difference. For example her SPF has titanium dioxide in and is supposed to be non-whitening. I used it and thought it v.poor compared to the Nimue SPF I have now. There is a big gap. However it may be suitable for those who cannot afford more but I certainly would recommend a proper skin consultation and product advice by a qualified professional before suggesting OTC skin care. That is what I would expect of a pro beauty forum.

 

[weezie]

The thing is with skincare is what do you class as professional.Is it a range that can only be purchase via professionals in which case that rules out Elemis,Clarins,Decleor,Dermalogica i can get them on the net in stores from qvc etc etc.
There are certain brands i can only get as a professional from my local wholesalers,they are horrible nasty products full of mineral oil and alcohol.
Creme de la mer extremely effective, or maybe not ,but probably full of active ingredient.
Cleanse and polish as an all in one makeup remover full of good ingredients recommended many times in many magazines,beauty bible etc etc by many people in the beauty industry and the general public time and time again.
The salon geek site carries their advertising banner so its surely hypocrisy if its good enough to take their sponsor money but not agree that its a good product.

The problem is that the number of "professional products" that are not effective and those over the counter that are not effective are not comparable. No therapist worth their salt would pick up or advise someone to use a wholesalers product that was as cr*p as some of those on offer. I hope no one on this site would advise anyone to use them either and the wholesalers should be ashamed to sell them but those wholesalers do not claim to be skincare specialists and when you enquire about the products most have no idea.

No one is saying that the Liz Earle products are bad or don't do what they say on the tin but the line has surely got to be drawn so that the professional products are not lumped in the same category as those that do little or nothing to help the skin and in some cases make it worse.

No one is saying Liz Earle is cr*p for all I know it may be the best product ever invented for normal skins but if we use this on our clients and they have a reaction we have no come back as it is advised for home use and not marketed as a professional product.

I personally do not use any of the professional products you mention as they can be brought without a consultation with a professional and therefore the wrong product is accessible to a client with the wrong skin type and could make their skin worse. However they are all made by skin care specialist and scientists who also create much more advanced professional products that are used only by qualified therapists. Not the end of the world you may think that a client can purchase a product by their own discretion but if they buy the wrong product this may put a client off using a professional product in the future and thus affect my business.

If this was in a chit chat thread I would not have such a problem with it!
I know a few beauty journalists and none of them have a beauty qualification.

I just think that the main thing that made me speak up is that this forum was not set up for over the net skin consultations either with professional or otc products. :hug:

 

[lissa]

hi hun it all depends on what you like and how much you want to spend !!
some people like a facial wash as they say they feel clean, while other prefer a cleansing cream..so firstly decide what you like the feel of by going to counters such as clarins and ask for samples !!
or go to a salon for a facial where they can advice you. You are only 30 but you still need to cleanse tone and moisturise twice a day, the toner is to balance the skins natural ph not to remove excess cleanser or make-up !!
also use a gentle facial scrub but not to remove your make-up...

to get the right moisturiser you must first find out your skin type the last thing you need is to spend money on somthing you don't like the feel of.

so i hope this helped x:lol:

 

[prettylady]

if anyone has read the thread al the way through u will see that i am happy with what i have been rec, have thanked emma, made my purchase.

not sure why every time there is a question on here, there is always some people making it into a debate about professional vs non professional.

im not a skin expert, im not rich, i wanted a good cleanser.

end of...

jeeez...

 

[pure]

not sure why every time there is a question on here, there is always some people making it into a debate about professional vs non professional.

jeeez...

Read this, it might explain it to you.:hug:
http://www.salongeek.com/skin-geek/66497-reminder-geek-commandments.html

 

[gillian w]

I am a professional recommending something i have tried and i believe is good. I dont retail any products so dont feel tied down to any one brand.Over the years i have tried just about everything on the market and have usually found something from most companies that i like.
I use Clarins on myself and often recommend that, whatever does that come under i wonder.
If as a forum it should only advocate salon professional products then why is Liz earle allowed to have a banner on here.Perhaps for all those that see it as a definate no no they ought to take this up with the powers that be.

 

[prettylady]

Read this, it might explain it to you.:hug:
http://www.salongeek.com/skin-geek/66497-reminder-geek-commandments.html

small child to look after, not really that bothered, im not looking to be a moderator or anything, i just asked a simple question, received good advice, chapter closed.
seems like people carry on and on to prove a point and i just think its pointless:irked:

 

[ValencianNails]

small child to look after, not really that bothered, im not looking to be a moderator or anything, i just asked a simple question, received good advice, chapter closed.
seems like people carry on and on to prove a point and i just think its pointless:irked:

At the end of the day, this site is for Salon Professionals... therefore, the Nail forum is for nail professionals, the Hair forum is for hair professionals and the Skin forum is for beauty/skin professionals...
We shouldn't be recommending over the counter (OTC) products or enquiring about OTC products on the professional forums... if we want to know about OTC products it should be done on the Chit Chat forum :green:

http://www.salongeek.com/how-do-stuff-site/31101-commandments-geek.html

19 - Though shall not give pseudo-professional advice
In the forums where you are not a professional (i.e. the Hair Geek forum if you are not a professional hair messer) you may not give advice. This is a forum for professionals and the only way to keep it that way is to make sure that you are very careful in your comments that you make in forums where you hold no qualifications. It is fine to chime in with opinion as long as it does not lead readers to construe that the information you have given is a professional recommendation. On that note, please do NOT recommend OTC (Over the counter) products and services. These are not professional.

hth's

 

[prettylady]

at the end of the day ladies - this is a forum!

an internet forum

so lets get off our high horses!!

 

[ValencianNails]

at the end of the day ladies - this is a forum!

an internet forum

so lets get off our high horses!!

We don't have high horses here :wink2:

What we do have is not just an internet forum, but a forum especially for salon professionals, a place where we can come to ask questions, learn from each other and offer help to one another.
Professional related queries go in the professional forums (ie Biz, Nail, Skin and Hair), the rest are self explanatory!

i just asked a simple question, received good advice, chapter closed.

and on that note, being as you've had your query answered, this thread will be closed... and moved to ChitChat.

...time to move on.

Happy Geeking :green: