Student Help

[smiler13334]

It is for a students own good to research any questions for a particular query. It allows your brain to soak up more knowledge about other things concerning nail/beauty as well as the answer you are looking for. Getting an answer from a post will help you but not in the long run. The more you read the more you will remember. I appreciate some students may not have their book with them but ALL the answers are in the biggest 'universal book' which is the internet.

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

I would like to add, just as an observation, that many threads asking for answers, tend to appear on a weekend (Sat/Sun). Could this be that assignments need to be handed in on the Monday/Tuesday?

I am not saying that one should not ask for help. Salon Geek is largely about help and support and the geeks give generously! It is just not here to do one's assignments/homework/projects.

 

[gillian w]

you're very welcome! I don't know why anyone thinks its a bad idea to ask questions on here if you're a student. I don't think you asking what a professional would do in those situations qualifies as us "doing your homework". I think it shows you're interested and you care to learn. why is it any different than looking it up in a book or on google? im sorry everyone jumped all over you on your first post, that's just the kind of thing that makes people afraid to ask questions on here, which is such a shame because we should be willing to help and share our knowledge with anyone just starting out in this field...especially if they ask for our advice. I wish I knew about this site when I was in school, there's loads of great information on here; what a great study tool! keep posting hun, and ask all the questions you want, that's what we're here for.
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Well if you are going to answer her homework questions then you had best do it in PMs because it really is considered most unfavourably by many of us.

I am a therapist and my daughter is doing her NVQ 3 beauty therapy and she doesnt even ask me. She sits for ages on the computer or with her books spread out in front of her doing her assignments. So my main point is that its just not fair, why should she have to study when others come on here and get given the answers.
Its pure laziness in a lot of cases as the answers are there if someone takes the trouble to look and all this business about not having the time..well whats the point of doing a course if they never have anytime to study soon they are going to have to find the time to actually work at what they have been studying.

If someone does help someone how are they to know if they are even being given the right answer unless they look it up for themselves, its really best to do it on your own.

 

[Peter Pan]

Spot on! My beauty therapy NVQ2 college course started in Sept, the first written test (manicure) is this Tuesday! I know the answers, I have thoroughly researched (and already hold a VTCT level 2 in nail treatments, plus my other nail qualifications gives me a head start:green.

I agree, I've always learned much more by researching myself, and when I have a test coming up, I go through my books, handouts, etc, and write down several times the key points I need to know. PLUS - here's a tip for people who can't remember complicated names eg epidermis, subcutaneous, paranychium etc. use them as your password for different sites, etc. You won't forget it more than once, I can tell ya:green:

good on ya flower, its nice to see a newbie doing their OWN work/research, when i was at college, i prefered to research myself, rather than be given the answers.

good idea regarding passwords

:hug:

 

[Peter Pan]

Well if you are going to answer her homework questions then you had best do it in PMs because it really is considered most unfavourably by many of us.

I am a therapist and my daughter is doing her NVQ 3 beauty therapy and she doesnt even ask me. She sits for ages on the computer or with her books spread out in front of her doing her assignments. So my main point is that its just not fair, why should she have to study when others come on here and get given the answers.
Its pure laziness in a lot of cases as the answers are there if someone takes the trouble to look and all this business about not having the time..well whats the point of doing a course if they never have anytime to study soon they are going to have to find the time to actually work at what they have been studying.

If someone does help someone how are they to know if they are even being given the right answer unless they look it up for themselves, its really best to do it on your own.

well put :hug:

and well done for your daughter to do it on her own, when she got a walking, breathing brain of knowledge in the same house - good on her

 

[yeahyeah]

Well if you are going to answer her homework questions then you had best do it in PMs because it really is considered most unfavourably by many of us.

I am a therapist and my daughter is doing her NVQ 3 beauty therapy and she doesnt even ask me. She sits for ages on the computer or with her books spread out in front of her doing her assignments. So my main point is that its just not fair, why should she have to study when others come on here and get given the answers.
Its pure laziness in a lot of cases as the answers are there if someone takes the trouble to look and all this business about not having the time..well whats the point of doing a course if they never have anytime to study soon they are going to have to find the time to actually work at what they have been studying.

If someone does help someone how are they to know if they are even being given the right answer unless they look it up for themselves, its really best to do it on your own.

thats a little silly if you ask me.. why is asking someone whos already a professional a question, having them answer and explain it to you, any different than you looking up the answer in a book and finding the same answer? when i was in school i had an instructor that would always tell us to "look it up" whenever we asked her a question, but i had another instructor that would give us a detailed answer when we asked questions and i can honestly say i learned WAY more from her than from the instructor who just told us to "look it up". different people learn differently, i dont see why reading the right answer in a book is any different than reading the right answer on here. we're all professionals, we're not this girl's teacher or her mother, so lets not be so petty.:green:

 

[Gilly T]

thats a little silly if you ask me.. why is asking someone whos already a professional a question, having them answer and explain it to you, any different than you looking up the answer in a book and finding the same answer? when i was in school i had an instructor that would always tell us to "look it up" whenever we asked her a question, but i had another instructor that would give us a detailed answer when we asked questions and i can honestly say i learned WAY more from her than from the instructor who just told us to "look it up". different people learn differently, i dont see why reading the right answer in a book is any different than reading the right answer on here. we're all professionals, we're not this girl's teacher or her mother, so lets not be so petty.:green:

I'm not being petty at all... I am a student myself and am a trainer too.

You managed to condense into a few lines what professional text books explain in pages. How can this person be learning all there is to learn about it in this way?

I'm sorry but it is just common sense to me.

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

what a great study tool! keep posting hun, and ask all the questions you want, that's what we're here for.
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Nobody is saying 'don't ask questions'. What we are saying and what you can't seem to understand, is that it is not okay to ask for the answers to assignments here eg. 'what treatments would I give to severely bitten nails' or 'what is the lunula and where do you find it' or 'what is onychia?'
All this information is found in college notes, text books, college lessons via tutor, google ...... and yes ........ here on salon geek, but only if one does a thorough search.

thats a little silly if you ask me.. why is asking someone whos already a professional a question, having them answer and explain it to you, any different than you looking up the answer in a book and finding the same answer? This is because the professionals have already qualified through their own hard work, organization, discipline and research. Looking up the answer in a book requires effort. Often that effort leads to reading up on other related topics where more useful information is learned etc........ Before you know it, what started out as a small question, results in a field of useful, helpful information...... called knowledge.

when i was in school i had an instructor that would always tell us to "look it up" whenever we asked her a question, but i had another instructor that would give us a detailed answer when we asked questions and i can honestly say i learned WAY more from her than from the instructor who just told us to "look it up". An instructor/teachers job is to teach. That is why she is there. When I was at college our tutor taught some of the information, but some of it we had to research ourselves and get back to her if we could not find the answer after considerable effort.
i dont see why reading the right answer in a book is any different than reading the right answer on here. Yes but you did not encourage toni to read up on the answer. You gave it to her! Big difference! I agree that we all have different learning styles, but being given the answers is not a learning style. It's lazy.
we're all professionals, we're not this girl's teacher or her mother, so lets not be so petty.:green:

 

[geeg]

thats a little silly if you ask me.. why is asking someone whos already a professional a question, having them answer and explain it to you, any different than you looking up the answer in a book and finding the same answer? when i was in school i had an instructor that would always tell us to "look it up" whenever we asked her a question, but i had another instructor that would give us a detailed answer when we asked questions and i can honestly say i learned WAY more from her than from the instructor who just told us to "look it up". different people learn differently, i dont see why reading the right answer in a book is any different than reading the right answer on here. we're all professionals, we're not this girl's teacher or her mother, so lets not be so petty.:green:

Can I just say that we on salon geek do not do students homework assignments for several different and valid reasons.

One is obviously that it is better for every student to research their own answers in text books.

Two is that every year twice a year there seems to be a huge influx of nail students who come on the salongeek site and ask the very same questions. Now, can you imagine how unutterably boring it is for geeks to answer the same questions over and over and over again for all these students?? Also there is the point to be made that it takes each of us allot of time to answer the quetions not to mention we usually take the time to research the answers first to make sure that the info is absolutely correct ... now why should geeks do that when it is the student who should be doing it???

The nature of the questions asked always points to a student who is doing an assignment ... it is very easy to tell it is a student, for those of us who have been helping on salon geek for years.

Although this is a teaching site and there is much to be learned, it is a professional teaching site usually for questions that go beyond the foundation level of knowledge.

We love having students here on the site and are happy to guide them in the right direction to find information ... we just do not want to do their homeworrk assignments. I think students can be told this in a nice way without the need for sarcasm or making them feel unwelcome.

 

[min11]

There's also the thing that not all schools and courses teach the same information. Its always best to have the 'correct' information but, as I found, that not always the easiest if your school/course teaches old information or a different way. I always went back to my tutor if I was struggling. I learned what I learned on my course, and then gradually had the wrong information put right.

I see many a question asked I could answer but I also remember some of them I know a different answer for now to what I knew when I did my course. What I don't know for sure is what the student is being taught.

Hope that makes sense. :hug:

 

[Nataliya]

Answers to most questions simply could be found by using a search facility.

By the way, it is so much quicker to use search than waiting until someone will answer.

When I was a student I did not even know salongeek existed:cry:

 

[yeahyeah]

Now, can you imagine how unutterably boring it is for geeks to answer the same questions over and over and over again for all these students?? Also there is the point to be made that it takes each of us allot of time to answer the quetions not to mention we usually take the time to research the answers first to make sure that the info is absolutely correct ... now why should geeks do that when it is the student who should be doing it???

The nature of the questions asked always points to a student who is doing an assignment ... it is very easy to tell it is a student, for those of us who have been helping on salon geek for years.

Answers to most questions simply could be found by using a search facility.

By the way, it is so much quicker to use search than waiting until someone will answer.

When I was a student I did not even know salongeek existed:cry:

I understand what you're saying, i definitely agree that if they look it up and research they will find a lot more helpful information as opposed to just getting a quick answer from someone else and writing it down, but why should we assume she didnt further research? for all we know, this is just one method of research she used for her assignment. And nobody has to reply to any posts they dont want to reply to, so if someone finds it boring to answer a question, they dont have to reply...right? she also didnt say anything about it being an assignment (yes i realize that it was, but i wasnt going to assume anything and jump all over her for asking a question) the title of the orignal post was just "help" not "student help". still, i dont think its wrong to help out anyone on their homework assignments, my brother is in college majoring in economics, i helped him with his homework tonight... why is this any different? also, in regards to searching the forums rather than posting a new thread, she would've found the same the information, why is typing it in the search field better than typing it in a new thread? and if she has a good educator she'll be learning these things in class too, theres no reason she shouldnt be able to ask those types of questions on this forum. I just think everyones hates the idea of "doing someone elses homework". Also, if the only information on the topics is what she gathered from my post, do you think she'll pass her tests and become a professional anyway? i dont! so im sure i only helped, I in no way "did her homework":green:

 

[DB9]

i agree with yeahyeah, we are not obliged to reply!

yeahyeah, a thread you shud post on http://www.salongeek.com/chit-chat/81890-how-did-everyone-come-up-their-screen-names.html

:wink2:

 

[Nataliya]

Quote YEAHYEAH

I understand what you're saying, i definitely agree that if they look it up and research they will find a lot more helpful information as opposed to just getting a quick answer from someone else and writing it down, but why should we assume she didnt further research?

I am not going to talk about the original post, I am going to talk in general.
If I have done a search and did not find what I was looking for I would mention that I did not find what I was looking for.

in regards to searching the forums rather than posting a new thread, she would've found the same the information, why is typing it in the search field better than typing it in a new thread?

typing new thread without doing previous search to check if exactly the same thread already exists its pure lazyness. Can you imagine what it will be like here if all started typing new threads without checking if it exist already. I am sorry but we really do have thousands of threads like "well less tips" and "what is the best acrylic". Researching and monitoring the forum is the way someone will learn something, we all here learning something. Reading the info put together for by someone else is not going to be taken in the same way as if you have found it all yourself.

and if she has a good educator she'll be learning these things in class too, theres no reason she shouldnt be able to ask those types of questions on this forum.

anyone can ask anything they want, and surely there always be someone to answer the questions, this is what the forum is for. But we are not here to do students assignments.

IMHO, no offence, just opinion:hug:

 

[yeahyeah]

anyone can ask anything they want, and surely there always be someone to answer the questions, this is what the forum is for. But we are not here to do students assignments.

IMHO, no offence, just opinion:hug:

I AM!!! LoL just kidding, just kidding (im a dork)! :lol:... but really, i dont mind answering questions even if they are for homework help, i really doubt thats ALL the research she did, and if it was i dont think we have to worry about her making it to "professional" status anway lol

 

[Gilly T]

I AM!!! LoL just kidding, just kidding (im a dork)! :lol:... but really, i dont mind answering questions even if they are for homework help, i really doubt thats ALL the research she did, and if it was i dont think we have to worry about her making it to "professional" status anway lol

I can see where you're coming from in terms of helping someone along and I agree with you that that is not a problem. I know I've only been a geek since April this year but even I'm a tired of the continual threads coming up of this nature already. Bet you don't feel the same about it in six months LOL :lol:

But seriously... I'm a student now and have real issues with students copying exam papers so they can re-sit the exam, find the answers inbetween and pass when myself and lots of others use out initiative to look for the answers by doing it the good old fashioned way... studying. I know this is a resource but when used in that way it seems a bit of a cop out.

If they wanted to know to actually do an enhancement then that's one thing but asking for straight answers to assignment or contingency questions is quite another.

Maybe we should structure our answers in such a way that points them in the right direction instead of giving them an answer that they can just copy onto their sheet with no effort made at all. I know most geeks do this already..

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

yeahyeah, a thread you shud post on http://www.salongeek.com/chit-chat/81890-how-did-everyone-come-up-their-screen-names.html

:wink2:

Mmmm, yeahyeah did post in the above thread. I guessed the reason for the username before I read it. Now why am I not suprised ?

 

[geeg]

Shall I just put it a bit more plainly ... it is not the site policy to do students homework for them.

It seems to be that in light of what this site does for so many PROFESSIONALS that those professionals should comply with the site policy and be glad to do the same.

What is site policy is to guide students to the right reference material but not to give it to them on a plate. Thank you all who graciously comply with the site policy.

 

[yeahyeah]

Mmmm, yeahyeah did post in the above thread. I guessed the reason for the username before I read it. Now why am I not suprised ?

lol i cant help it

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

lol i cant help it

:zzz::zzz::zzz:I'm done on this thread. Off to find posts interesting, new and exciting.