Toner help

[Kelly Atkinson-Wareing]

Ok guys please no bashing!!! I have been hairdressing for 12 years now i used to work in a very busy town centre salon for the first part of my career and been mobile self employed for 4/5 years now very successfully might I add but I feel a bit dated at the min!! I was trained In the salon by quite an old fashioned hair dresser who always toned using permanent hair colour ashy tones like 6.1 7.1 and such like mixed with 6% shampoo and water and shampooed in at the back wash! As I am only level two qualified we never covered toners in college so I always thought this was how it was done (it does work but probably doesn't last as well as others maybe) so I'm after help in doing it the right way!! Any advice you can give will be a help thanks in advance!!! Here's a pic I've literally just done and toned with 7.11 6% water shampoo mix and shampooed in so you can see

 

[Xx-melo-xX]

Hope u don't mind me asking but why did you use a 7 base toner? Her hair is Alot lighter than a 7 x

 

[Kelly Atkinson-Wareing]

Because that's what the salon I worked at use do never really understood toning so just went in what they did it's only since going mobile I've realised its not what should be done but it's always worked so just stuck with it x

 

[hairgaga]

Choose a toner the same level as what the hair has been lifted too.
I would have use a 10v or 9.2 or 10.2 in this case, I usually use a Demi to tone or if I use a permanent colour I only mix it with 5vol

 

[hairgaga]

Violet to counteract yellow.... You need to go back to the colour wheel

 

[Diamondrosesxo]

You should be applying the correct level as to what your working with. You should be going back to your colour wheel.. Also heres what i like to do; i usually will tone hair with either 10 vol or 20 vol depending what i am trying to achieve sometimes ill even use a 6vol . Anything higher than 10 vol will lift fine natural hair, if i have to put the toner all over and it is at its desired level than i use a 6vol or dilute the 10vol because i dont want to lift the natural roots if its hard to avoid. If i high lightened and lets say the mid shaft is about 1-2 levels darker than the rest i will formulate 2 different toners according to; again what I'm working with example ill formulate the ash bases that i need then use a 20 vol to lift the mid to where the rest of the hair is and use a 10vol or even a 6vol for the light peices i dont want any lift too. You have to look at hair as a canvas if two parts are looking different you then have two canvases to work with formulate accordingly. Usually i apply toner to wet towel dried hair.. After it is applied i like to rub the stubborn areas if theres any if i have time to do it at the sink. I like to keep an eye on it... Usually light hair will go "white" then turn ashy.
If you look at my profile pic i formulated 2 different ways and even through in a little pinch of gold... I was being a little creative... Because i didn't want my hair to be too "ashy" flat looking.. Nothing worse than toning hair and having it look muddy with no shine or any "life" to it.. Boring

 

[Kelly Atkinson-Wareing]

Choose a toner the same level as what the hair has been lifted too.
I would have use a 10v or 9.2 or 10.2 in this case, I usually use a Demi to tone or if I use a permanent colour I only mix it with 5vol

. Thank you! What brand do you use? How do you mix the Demi? Why would you use 50vol with a permanent and would you shampoo this in like I have been doing or not x

 

[Kelly Atkinson-Wareing]

You should be applying the correct level as to what your working with. You should be going back to your colour wheel.. Also heres what i like to do; i usually will tone hair with either 10 vol or 20 vol depending what i am trying to achieve sometimes ill even use a 6vol . Anything higher than 10 vol will lift fine natural hair, if i have to put the toner all over and it is at its desired level than i use a 6vol or dilute the 10vol because i dont want to lift the natural roots if its hard to avoid. If i high lightened and lets say the mid shaft is about 1-2 levels darker than the rest i will formulate 2 different toners according to; again what I'm working with example ill formulate the ash bases that i need then use a 20 vol to lift the mid to where the rest of the hair is and use a 10vol or even a 6vol for the light peices i dont want any lift too. You have to look at hair as a canvas if two parts are looking different you then have two canvases to work with formulate accordingly. Usually i apply toner to wet towel dried hair.. After it is applied i like to rub the stubborn areas if theres any if i have time to do it at the sink. I like to keep an eye on it... Usually light hair will go "white" then turn ashy.
If you look at my profile pic i formulated 2 different ways and even through in a little pinch of gold... I was being a little creative... Because i didn't want my hair to be too "ashy" flat looking.. Nothing worse than toning hair and having it look muddy with no shine or any "life" to it.. Boring

Thank you I'm learning every day and loving it at the min [emoji5]️ that makes more sense to tone with the same level! I have no idea why they do that! I'm going to give it a go x

 

[cassies97]

. Thank you! What brand do you use? How do you mix the Demi? Why would you use 50vol with a permanent and would you shampoo this in like I have been doing or not x

You wouldn't use 50vol with a permanent.

The toning process should go as follows:

1. rinse bleach/lightener out completely.
2. Shampoo hair to remove any excess product, rinse shampoo out.
3. Use an anti-oxidant conditioner, leave for 1-3 minutes.
4. Rinse anti-oxy out and apply toner, leave for the desired amount of time.
5. Rinse toner out, shampoo and anti oxy.

 

[hairgaga]

. Thank you! What brand do you use? How do you mix the Demi? Why would you use 50vol with a permanent and would you shampoo this in like I have been doing or not x

I don't use 50 vol, I use 5 vol

 

[Kelly Atkinson-Wareing]

Ahhh sorry I read it wrong it says 5vol we can't even get 50 Vol in the UK x

 

[hairgaga]

Not here in Australia either

 

[Grace_Hair]

You wouldn't use 50vol with a permanent.

The toning process should go as follows:

1. rinse bleach/lightener out completely.
2. Shampoo hair to remove any excess product, rinse shampoo out.
3. Use an anti-oxidant conditioner, leave for 1-3 minutes.
4. Rinse anti-oxy out and apply toner, leave for the desired amount of time.
5. Rinse toner out, shampoo and anti oxy.

I've NEVER put anti oxy on before toner?!

 

[Kelly Atkinson-Wareing]

Why do you use such low vol peroxide with toner? Why not just 10vol x

 

[Starboltz]

I've NEVER put anti oxy on before toner?!

I'm also curious, I rinse, shampoo, toner, shampoo, then antioxy.

If I'm wrong, I'm happy to learn the right way

 

[Sugarplumfaery]

Kelly, get on the YouTube band wagon. You can educate yourself by searching different brands and techniques. And maybe look into some courses with your colourhouse. You might even be able to get a bridging one for free through your company.

You would do benefit from doing this. I think your bleach is beautiful but imagine how amazing it would be if you got your toning on point.

 

[Grace_Hair]

I'm also curious, I rinse, shampoo, toner, shampoo, then antioxy.

If I'm wrong, I'm happy to learn the right way

I've done it the same?!
Although when I trained they didn't always shampoo second time?

 

[Sugarplumfaery]

I did the Mcp with Wella and this is how we were taught: rinse, shampoo then anti-oxy (seal & care) then tone then anti-oxy again (post colour)

 

[snaz]

I did the Mcp with Wella and this is how we were taught: rinse, shampoo then anti-oxy (seal & care) then tone then anti-oxy again (post colour)

I do it this way too x

 

[Kelly Atkinson-Wareing]

Thank you very much everyone x