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Very interesting article this morning from a favourite blogger of mine. Though concerning beauty products in general it is completely relevant to the nail industry and something we mention and discuss many times here on SG ....

The black market nail suppliers, ebay suppliers, diverters and the like; these individuals all undermine our industry terribly and it reflects on we the people who are trying to do things right!!

I have to say, I ignorantly had no idea that the millions of dollars netted by the people producing and selling the 'knock off' products (bought by people as cheap fakes) are actually adding to the coffers of terrorists who threaten our very way of life. What a supreme irony that we could be helping to pay for our own destruction!! Makes you think!

Many of you ask, Why doesn't CND do something about fake Shellac?? Read below and see some of the difficulties encountered by some brands who are paying millions to counteract these fakers and getting nowhere .. and WHY? because so many people are buying this stuff and maybe you are one of them

Anyway, I thought you might like to see things from a slightly different perspective than just the nail suppliers' point of view so here it is slightly abridged.

There are so many fake beauty products around at the moment, I thought I’d do a little bit of digging and see what brands are doing to counteract the pretenders.

First, I spoke to Benefit who are understandably horrified to have discovered that a fake Benefit mascara was recently found to contain Mercury. They say, “On the subject of fake products our customers need to be made aware that our products can be years in development and have to be made to the strictest compliance. We have to meet and match the requirements of every country in which we choose to sell our products.” Basically, any old Joe can mix together a recipe of flour and water – and worse – that can be packed into clever copies of mainstream brands to superficially fool the eye. Fakers aren’t the least bit interested in meeting any kind of standard; their aim is to fool you and take your money. Nothing will have been tested for sensitivity or toxicity so you buy at your peril. Basically, the old rules apply – if it seems too good to be true, pricewise, then it probably is. Benefit say, “It is so frustrating that our products are being copied – the goods are inferior in every single way.”

In fact, they employ a specialist to get to the source of the fakery, but for every faker that gets discovered another pops up. “There was a recent seizure by Coventry trading standards which revealed a fake Benefit Bad Gal Lash with Mercury in it. This is VERY worrying, this is an example of an extremely dangerous ingredient being used in fake products and further highlights why we are so determined to close down all illegal supply & distribution of counterfeit/fake merchandise.” It’s not just here and there either; the fakers are continually re-inventing the Benefit Wheel. “ Our customer service team have had many complaints about fake products. There have been some minor allergic reactions, though thankfully nothing too serious so far. When these complaints come to us it's disheartening and frustrating for us as there's nothing we can do to help when the products are fake and not purchased through an official outlet.

Again, bottom line is that Benefit only sell through authorized retailers such as Benefit boutiques, Debenhams, John Lewis, HOF, Boots, Harvey Nichols and other selected, independent Department Stores. Their online business consists of; our own web site, benefitcosmetics.co.uk, the online sites of their key retail partners, (Debenhams, Boots, John Lewis & HOF), plus the following online partners; Feel Unique, ASOS and Look Fantastic. So, if you’re shopping Benefit elsewhere, there is no way to know how old the stock is or if it is even real Benefit.

So that pretty much leaves the ball in the consumer’s court. That temptingly cheap deal may end up far more costly than you could ever imagine. And, by buying off-piste, it’s we, the customers, that are creating the counterfeit market.

Fakes usually come from countries, such as China, where the cost of production is slight, but it is known that some fakers will produce the packaging in the UK and order the ‘fillers’ from another country and put all the components together here.

OPI is another commonly copied brand. For them, counterfeit products and unauthorised sellers go hand in hand. “It’s the unauthorised sellers who sell the counterfeit in the first place: the polishes are watery and smell very strong, or are thick and gloopy.” OPI has spent literally millions of dollars to end counterfeiting and again it comes down to buying from authorised retailers to ensure you are getting the real thing. There is no other way round it. You can’t ignore the fact that brands are losing millions to counterfeiters and of course it’s in their interests to stamp it out. However, the real loser is the end user every single time. {many brands} use private investigators and lawyers to combat fakers, but the issue is so rife that it’s a full-time job.

Talking to a specialist in the area of fakes in general (and not just make-up), the stats are staggering. Rob says, “Without doubt the majority of fake beauty products come from China. We only work in the UK but one investigation took us from the UK to Korea where we had factories closed down by the authorities.” Investigators work closely with the UK Border Agency where targeting importations at the Parcel Force Hub in Coventry is one way to try and combat the surge of fakes. “Over 7000 parcels come into the UK from China every single day; it is estimated that 75% contain counterfeits, so beating the fakers is a massive task,” explains Rob. “We have a team of agents who regularly sweep the markets (in the UK) where fakes are being sold and then identify retailers and wholesalers. We work closely with Trading Standards seizing counterfeit products and prosecuting the offenders.” Rob’s agency also deals with counterfeits on Ebay, targeting multiple sellers, and also bogus internet sites which need the intervention of the Metropolitan Police Ecrime Unit at Scotland Yard to get taken down.
As if that isn’t bad enough, fakes are without doubt linked to organised crime. Rob says, “We have dealt with cases where the proceeds have been destined for terrorism funding.”

Revolting working conditions, ridiculously low wages and nil in the way of workers’ rights go without saying.
So, you know, the message could not be more stark. If we stopped buying them, they’d stop making them.

That beauty ‘bargain’ comes with all sorts of strings attached.
This topic should make for good discussion. Enjoy.
 
I just think its mental! Fake beauty products, whatever next.

I only buy makeup from places such as debenhams or house of Fraser, I mostly done this so I could see what I was buying in real life. The colours etc.

It baffles me why people would buy things from eBay like makeup. You just don't know what's in it. I read an article the other week about all the fake mac makeup going around aswell. I do use eBay maybe for things like photo frames or mobile phone covers or dog tags for my pet but I wouldn't buy anything cosmetic or nails from there.

I think alot of younger girls who aren't so clued up might do though i think younger girls can be naive and don't realise these are fakes.

I understand why the companies can't chase down every single one and shut them down as it would be too time consuming and too costly.
 
I just think its mental! Fake beauty products, whatever next.

I only buy makeup from places such as debenhams or house of Fraser, I mostly done this so I could see what I was buying in real life. The colours etc.

It baffles me why people would buy things from eBay like makeup. You just don't know what's in it. I read an article the other week about all the fake mac makeup going around aswell. I do use eBay maybe for things like photo frames or mobile phone covers or dog tags for my pet but I wouldn't buy anything cosmetic or nails from there.

I think alot of younger girls who aren't so clued up might do though i think younger girls can be naive and don't realise these are fakes.

I understand why the companies can't chase down every single one and shut them down as it would be too time consuming and too costly.

Less time consuming and costly if people just wised up and stopped buying fake products. If there wasn't a market, there would be no products. simples!
 
Consumers of fake goods fall into 2 categories:

Those who knowingly buy fakes. As long as they have the "right" label on that's all that counts. There was a thread before Christmas as to where one could buy fake Uggs. (If they're fake they're not Uggs...)

Those who naively think they are getting a bargain. Buyers need to better informed, and this thread makes great reading.

The real worry is fake drugs; I'm talking prescription, some of which have been bought unwittingly by pharmacies and dispensed to patients. There are also on-line fake- drug pharmacies which appear to be fronted by doctors. Patients apparently buy from them as they are cheaper than prescription charges, but the drugs are at best ineffective or at worst dangerous.
 
People who are stupid enough to buy fake products of any kind not only risk their health and waste their money, but also do not think about the people, sometimes children, who work in terrible conditions, in places like China, almost like slaves, and what happens to the money being made, it is dirty money, that often funds illegal activities.

Its good that articles like this are making people aware, it takes alot to make me angry, but this does it.

Thank you for posting. x
 
Great article Gigi, thanks for posting.

I agree with dandelionpoppy, I also think consumers fall into 2 categories. Some people are genuinely naive in thinking they've got themselves a bargain.
Rhiannon x
 
Brilliant article. I myself have come across fake Mac makeup being sold at an Ann Summers party.

I have used mac for many years and i made it known i knew they were fake when i saw friends purchasing items and you know what? None of them cared - they saw a bargain, nothing else. The lady selling it became very aggressive when i questioned the origins of the products and actually threatened to burn my house down saying i was trying to ruin her 'business'.

3 days later one of my friends was in hospital with a severe allergic reaction on her eyelids. She contacted the police and we both gave statements and it was dealt with accordingly but said friend still went ahead and bought GHDs from an unauthorised site last month.

People puzzle me they really do!!

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Brilliant article. I myself have come across fake Mac makeup being sold at an Ann Summers party.

I have used mac for many years and i made it known i knew they were fake when i saw friends purchasing items and you know what? None of them cared - they saw a bargain, nothing else. The lady selling it became very aggressive when i questioned the origins of the products and actually threatened to burn my house down saying i was trying to ruin her 'business'.

3 days later one of my friends was in hospital with a severe allergic reaction on her eyelids. She contacted the police and we both gave statements and it was dealt with accordingly but said friend still went ahead and bought GHDs from an unauthorised site last month.

People puzzle me they really do!!

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What the hell is wrong with your friend? She clearly can't learn her lesson.

And the girl who got aggressive my god! Wa she working for Ann summers? Or was she just someone at the party. X
 
What the hell is wrong with your friend? She clearly can't learn her lesson.

And the girl who got aggressive my god! Wa she working for Ann summers? Or was she just someone at the party. X

She was just someone at the party, but yep she was very unpleasant! And my friend, well thats a whole other story, but she will not learn her lesson about fakes. Theyre rife where we live and she just seems to think its normal :/ its like banging my head on a brick wall with her!

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I went to Bangkok a few years ago. Absolutely shocking. Their markets are full of cheap fake goods - everything from shampoo, make up, bags, shoes and jewellery. All around the edge of the market stalls are posh looking shops, some with designer names on their shop fronts. These are just more expenisve fakes!

New York tourist buses actually take you to a specific area and the guide gives you tips on how barter for counterfeit designer goods. I cannot understand why anyone would knowingly want to carry a counterfeit bag, but you see loads of them everyday in our high streets.

I have a particular passion for one handbag designer and one shoe designer. I watch Ebay and it is amazing how much fakes are sold for. People often pay more for fakes than the real thing on Ebay. They buy without knowing what they are looking for. Presumably, they then think they have a genuine item until it falls apart. So sad, because they will never know the quality of the genuine product. Reporting the fakes to Ebay is usually pointless.

Why anyone would buy beauty products on Ebay is beyond me.

As everyone else has said, these counterfeit markets are huge but they can only exist while people buy.
 
I went to Bangkok a few years ago. Absolutely shocking. Their markets are full of cheap fake goods - everything from shampoo, make up, bags, shoes and jewellery. All around the edge of the market stalls are posh looking shops, some with designer names on their shop fronts. These are just more expenisve fakes!

New York tourist buses actually take you to a specific area and the guide gives you tips on how barter for counterfeit designer goods. I cannot understand why anyone would knowingly want to carry a counterfeit bag, but you see loads of them everyday in our high streets.

I have a particular passion for one handbag designer and one shoe designer. I watch Ebay and it is amazing how much fakes are sold for. People often pay more for fakes than the real thing on Ebay. They buy without knowing what they are looking for. Presumably, they then think they have a genuine item until it falls apart. So sad, because they will never know the quality of the genuine product. Reporting the fakes to Ebay is usually pointless.

Why anyone would buy beauty products on Ebay is beyond me.

As everyone else has said, these counterfeit markets are huge but they can only exist while people buy.

What worries me more are the reports of the horrendous working conditions of the people who make these things and where the money goes??

When I see BlueSky Shellac or CCO Shellac it's got to worry anyone as to what is in these cheap fakes and how just reactive and dangerous they are.

I hope people start to smarten up and think a bit more deeply about what they are doing .. and for what? Just so they can impress someone they don't even know into thinking they can afford the real Gucci Handbag? Or when it comes right down to it, defraud their clients into thinking they are having a real service? It would be the end of their business if clients found out. It really is just stupid.
 
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Fake products are as rife as drugs.

Governments and organisations spend hundreds of millions of pounds trying to stamp out drugs.

Drugs in sports is everywhere, I doubt whether there is anyone who doesn't take something.

It has me to the point where I almost think countries should save their money and time trying.

Drugs and fakes will never be stopped all the while there is a market for it. And there has always been a market for it.

So what to do?

Keep fighting and pouring money and man hours into a bottomless pit or use that money in a more positive way?

Some lateral thought going on here now - how about if the money a 'brand name' used to try and investigate and shut down factories producing fake goods, spent that money instead going into schools and colleges, workplaces, training centres etc targeting the places where future and present consumers can be taught about the 'whole picture' consequences of buying nail polishes, or drugs (or any product really) from unauthorised places.

But that is not a new idea, people have been going into schools for years trying to educate against drugs for instance.

To not much avail it seems.

If its down to the consumer AND the seller making the right choices will the money be best spent educating these people?

Sadly with all the educating that is already out there, especially re drugs, it doesn't stop certain types of people from indulging.

Which brings me back to my original feeling of almost thinking we should leave them to get on with it.

But then we as taxpayers are going to be picking up the bill when a fake mascara gives a consumer an eye infection and needs medication or hospital care.

Leading me onto the whole drinking culture or people who eat to obesity - we as taxpayers pick up huge medical blls for these people who drink and eat to a dangerous excess.

And because all the work and money spent on trying to close down factories making fake goods or educating youngsters about the perils of drink and drugs falls on deaf ears, it makes me once again think its futile.

So I really don't know if there is actually an answer.

There will always be certain types of people who will indulge in all of the above.

If only there was a big massive prison on Mars, we could send all such types of people to duke it out amongst each other and leave the rest of us down here to a more peaceful and productive life.

Peace and respect

Jacqui xx
 
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Fake products is as rife as drugs.

Governments and organisations spend hundreds of millions of pounds trying to stamp out drugs.

Drugs in sports is everywhere, I doubt whether there is anyone who doesn't take something.

It has me to the point where I almost think countries should save their money and time trying.

Drugs and fakes will never be stopped all the while there is a market for it. And there has always been a market for it.

So what to do?

Keep fighting and pouring money and man hours into a bottomless pit or use that money in a more positive way?

Some lateral thought going on here now - how about if the money a 'brand name' used to try and investigte and shut down factories producing fake goods, spent that money instead going into schools and colleges, workplaces, training centres etc targeting the places where future and present consumers can be taught about the 'whole picture' consequences of buying nail polishes, or drugs (or any product really) from unauthorised places.

But that is not a new idea, people have been going into schools for years trying to educate against drugs for instance.

To not much avail it seems.

If its down to the consumer AND the seller making the right choices will the money be best spent educating these people?

Sadly with all the educating that is already out there, especially re drugs, it doesn't stop certain types of people from indulging.

Which brings me back to my original feeling of almost thinking we should leave them to get on with it.

But then we as taxpayers are going to be picking up the bill when a fake mascara gives a consumer an eye infection and needs medication or hospital care.

Which can lead me onto the whole drinking culture or people who eat to obesity - we as taxpayers pick up huge medical blls for these people who drink and eat to a dangerous excess.

And because all the work and money spent on trying to close down factories making fake goods or educting youngsters about the perils of drink and drugs falls on deaf ears, it makes me once again think its futile.

So I really don't know if there is actually an answer.

There will always be certain types of people who will indulge in all of the above.

If only there was a big massive prison on Mars, we could send all such types of people to duke it out amongst each other and leave the rest of us down here to a more peaceful and productive life.

Peace and respect

Jacqui xx

Some really good ideas in there.

I guess it's a chicken and egg issue, while there's poverty there will always be a workforce to make the fake stuff, people prepared to break the law and people who will buy it cos its cheap, if we could solve the poverty issue it would help with a lot of issues in every society.

I think it also does not help that we are developing into a 'discount' culture that simply see's the price and thinks they are being ripped off, rather than see the skill, time and science that goes into a product, or service. I think the phrase is 'knowing the cost of everything and the value of nothing'. I have always brought the best I can afford at the time, or gone without, in society today we want it all and we want it now.

On the Mars issue, reminds me of 'Escape from New York' - great film but sooo scary x
 
The 'middle men' aren't poor nor needy --- the ones who sell this stuff (talking about beauty products, and as its I, I am significantly involved) are greedy opportunists and they are knowingly and, of course, uncaring about the exploited or those they are exploiting.

Probably there is nothing that can be done ... e bay barstewards dont want to know and make it very difficult and nigh on impossible for companies to go after anyone ... so like a sewar full of poop, I suppose all the poop will sink to the bottom where it belongs and people will find their own level.

We could go on and on about morals and standards and a sense of knowing what is right and what is wrong ... but lets face it, there is a whole sub- culture of people who dont know the difference and who dont care to know it.
 
We have lots of threads on here about hair extensions. I have stopped bothering to type out what remy actually means, how children are horribly exploited for cheap hair gathering. It is common to bulk cheap hair out with highly flammable fake hair. The whole industry has a nasty dark side. Children die on rubbish dumps for cheap chavvy hair extensions.

Recently a large chemist chain got caught selling fake Redken products it had sourced from the grey market. Even after it was pointed out that the product was fake and unlicensed, it still took a lawsuit from l'Oreal to get it off the shelves.

As for the fake ghds, one of my clients thought she was clever getting a bargain. They blew up quite spectacularly within a few weeks, so she had to pay out again for a real pair.
 
Other than the moral aspect, other reasons to avoid fakes are that you are getting ripped off. The product is inferior in every way.

It's crazy that people love to buy fakes....usually they are rubbish that falls apart or doesn't work within weeks and they have to pay out again, when they could've had the real deal for the price they eventually pay. No money-back guarantee.

I love that feeling of saving up and then finally treating myself to something really special! Getting a knock-off just wouldn't be the same.

Persianista, that story is so sad. I didn't know things like that existed, though i admit I am fairly naive and sheltered xx
 
i know a fe people who will gladly buy a fake item e.g ugg boots and to me its just crazy a fake pair of ugg boots 40pound when in fact you could get a similar shoe from wynsors without the fake taag lol.. they bizzarly think they are getting a bargain when infact there not because its fake they know its fake and its going to fall apart... and i for one would never dream of buying any kind of make up beauty or hair stuff of ebay you just dont kno whats init,,, and i wouldnt want to walk around in fake stuff id rather wait save up and buy the real thing lol
 
I'm going to only focus on Ebay in my post.....

Late last year my sister in-law decided she wanted a set of make up brushes.
She asked me for my advice and I gave it, although I have not yet studied beauty, it is something I am seriously thinking of and trying to gain some knowledge in, in between time.
So I gave her a list of authorized online places that sell the REAL products.
She went ahead and bought a set of make up brushes from Ebay.
She showed them to me and then started complaining how the bristles feel like sharp pins when she tries to use them and they were not soft etc etc.
After closer inspection I showed and told her that she got herself a fantastic cheap and nasty FAKE set of brushes (said with sarcasm)

I contacted Ebay Australia myself about this seller and got absolutely nowhere and to this day this seller is still selling these fake brush sets.
My sister inlaw and I made a point of emailing this seller numerous times a week for 2 months straight telling her she was a fake, her products were fake and karma would soon bite her.
My sister inlaw sadly gave this lady good feedback before she tested the brushes out.

So if the big boys like Ebay are not prepared to do anything cause even to them, money is much more important, then how are we as a beauty industry ever going to combat the hideous counterfeit industry?!?!

We need the little people and the big boys to join forces, not have some of the big boys turn a blind eye and have it be seen that money is more important.

I refuse to use Ebay now for anything, I have found there are enough legit online stores to purchase from, if you look hard enough and do your research correctly.
 
Unfortunately, its not only Ebay. For instance, there are only two official Christian Louboutin sites, but there are hundreds online with the name somewhere in their website title that sell fake goods. A friend of mine bought a pair of "Manolo Blahniks" from one of these sites for £300 - they were no better than a pair of £10 Primark shoes!

We have all recently seen a lot of sites posted on this forum that look like real beauty suppliers. They either sell fake or illegally imported goods or in some cases just take your money and run.

If its not an authorised dealer/distributor site and its much cheaper than the official sites - steer clear.
 

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