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Jamie's Fowl Dinners

  • Yes, I care about the welfare of the animal and will make a better choice in the future

    Votes: 35 77.8%
  • No ..... it's all about price, I don't care where it comes from, or how it's treated

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Maybe ..... I'd like to change, but the price prevents me

    Votes: 6 13.3%
  • Who Cares ......... it's just a chicken

    Votes: 4 8.9%

  • Total voters
    45
I only have free range eggs and meat reared and kept in humane conditions and voted accordingly.

I haven't always been so careful in my choice but programmes like Jamie's and also Gordon Ramsay's are excellent at bringing the details to our attention.

I can appreciate that for those with a family to feed cost is going to be a factor, however I would personally eat slightly less and feel confident about what was on my plate.
 
I can appreciate that for those with a family to feed cost is going to be a factor, however I would personally eat slightly less and feel confident about what was on my plate.
This is what we do Adele, as a family of 4 who all love meat, we do eat slightly less than we used to! But like Lyndsay says we have pretty much always eaten meat that has been reared in good humane conditions!
But....tbh, with so many more people eating free range and organic, the prices are slowly coming down! Thankgoodness!
 
The two 'people' who clicked on "who cares.... it's just a chicken" should be ashamed of themselves. What an uncaring, selfish attitude to take about another of God's creatures!

Just because an animal is being reared for food doesn't give us the right to treat it inhumanely during it's lifetime.

I had already bought free range eggs for years when I saw Hugh & Jamie's programmes, but I was shocked at the conditions that the broiler birds were kept in and since then I have only ever eaten free range chicken, over here it costs me 17.00 Euro (about £13.50) for a large free range organic chicken from the farm shop and I easily get 5 meals for the two of us from that. As for eating out - I used to love KFC but won't go near it now, I won't have any chicken dishes from the Indian or Chinese take away, I won't eat any dishes that contain chicken, duck or turkey unless they are guaranteed free range. At least my conscience is clear when I'm eating meat.

I've actually gone a step further and now have four chickens of my own in my back garden, I can't wait until they start laying lovely fresh eggs for me.


For those who are interested in the welfare of the animals that they eat and were unaware of the 'life' those poor broiler chickens lead, you should also look into the factory farming of pigs - it's a disgrace, and while it's unpleasant to know about these things, I'd much rather know and make a conscious decision about the type of meat I am eating (I now only eat organic free range pork) than eat in ignorance of the suffering these animals have gone through at the hands of so called 'human beings'.

One of them was me Jackie:lol:
I can't lie.... I don't care, it's just a chicken to me and I've got bigger things in my life think about.
Honesty is always first and foremost with me as you may have guessed.
 
I have not seen the programme but i have seen programmes about how badley treated animals are. When pigs are being carted off to be slaughtered,they have no drink or food for hours.

The one thing i want to ask is...how do you really know where your eggs and meat have come from. Did you see them packed? I watched something on telly about some supermarkets , and how their food is "fresh" and it is not. It may say organic and free range eggs,but are they?. This is where the supermarkets have us as we have no idea and thats wrong.
 
One of them was me Jackie:lol:
I can't lie.... I don't care, it's just a chicken to me and I've got bigger things in my life think about.
Honesty is always first and foremost with me as you may have guessed.

I'm sorry to hear that Judy, I appreciate you have an opinion, but it's not an attitude that I respect.

I believe we have a responsibility to provide care and comfort for the animals we raise for food, if it was a barnful of little puppies being treated in the same way there'd be a huge uproar, farm animals should be treated with no less respect, anything less is just pure selfishness. We all have "bigger things" to worry about, but why should the 'small things' be less important?

Apart from the humane aspect, I certainly wouldn't want to feed my family any meat that was brought up in conditions llike this:

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I'm sorry to hear that Judy, I appreciate you have an opinion, but it's not an attitude that I respect.

I believe we have a responsibility to provide care and comfort for the animals we raise for food, if it was a barnful of little puppies being treated in the same way there'd be a huge uproar, farm animals should be treated with no less respect, anything less is just pure selfishness. We all have "bigger things" to worry about, but why should the 'small things' be less important?

Apart from the humane aspect, I certainly wouldn't want to feed my family any meat that was brought up in conditions llike this:

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I see your point mate but I have a responsibility to bring 3 children up alone. It doesn't bother me much as I live on pot noodles tbh. But I have just showed your pics to my boys and got no reaction. My eldest boy did ask will you eat Pandora? Or is it an egg thing only?? Do the eggs taste different?
His other question was "prove to me that any chicken I eat ISN'T brought up in these conditions? Do we get a step by step life history of each chicken?....I doubt it and probably a lot of people are paying more money for exactly the same thing with a different label"
He's a law student btw not a small child.
 
The one thing i want to ask is...how do you really know where your eggs and meat have come from.

For me....when it comes to eggs....I've seen the bottoms they are laid by! lol! And they are happy nice clean bottoms, in lots of space!

The chickens and ducks (I actually buy ducks egss more so at the mo) are pretty much next door, and often come and say hello! I actually save the shells and give them back to the farmer to re-feed back to the birds as this is great for their diet, and makes for the toughest eggs laid...you can't crack them with one hand!!

OK, meat is a bit more difficult....I'm one of those people who can't even look a rainbow trout in the eye before I eat it, never mind eye up a cow or pigs rump! But I buy from farms that i know care well for their animals, who have their own butcher and farmshop, and breathe the same fresh air as me daily! (The animals and the butcher's that is!)

And before I lived in an area with farms next door, I simply researched and bought in bulk whenever and wherever I could. We frequently went on weekends away with a big coolbox to go raiding the local farm shops!
 
For me....when it comes to eggs....I've seen the bottoms they are laid by! lol! And they are happy nice clean bottoms, in lots of space!

The chickens and ducks (I actually buy ducks egss more so at the mo) are pretty much next door, and often come and say hello! I actually save the shells and give them back to the farmer to re-feed back to the birds as this is great for their diet, and makes for the toughest eggs laid...you can't crack them with one hand!!

OK, meat is a bit more difficult....I'm one of those people who can't even look a rainbow trout in the eye before I eat it, never mind eye up a cow or pigs rump! But I buy from farms that i know care well for their animals, who have their own butcher and farmshop, and breathe the same fresh air as me daily! (The animals and the butcher's that is!)

And before I lived in an area with farms next door, I simply researched and bought in bulk whenever and wherever I could. We frequently went on weekends away with a big coolbox to go raiding the local farm shops!


Your lucky to have farms near you hun....i dont know any in my area .:cry:...i have no time to shop around if you know what i mean, so i have to make sure my supermarket gives me what it says it is.

I believed they did...until i see a programme about fresh meat and fish that had been on the floor,and beleive me...it was not fresh !!

As you can see from my avatar,i HATE any sort of animal abuse...i know i eat them ,but they still deserve a good live.
 
Please dont let this thread degenerate into a personal attack. We must all respect other peoples views on issues like this.

I watched the Chicken Run programme and listened to one lady who would not be swayed, but she could still afford to have her nails done - but then who am I to dictate to anyone what their financial priorities should be.
 
Please dont let this thread degenerate into a personal attack. We must all respect other peoples views on issues like this.

I watched the Chicken Run programme and listened to one lady who would not be swayed, but she could still afford to have her nails done - but then who am I to dictate to anyone what their financial priorities should be.

If that is for me and i have hurt somebodys feelings then i am sorry :hug:...oops !!
 
Your lucky to have farms near you hun....i dont know any in my area .:cry:.

I don't know whereabouts in Suffook you are hun, but if its close enough, somewhere like this night be worth checking out...

The Suffolk Food Hall - welcome

Or look out for a local farmers market. they are cropping up everywhere now...even in town centres, as people who can't travel want the goods bringing to them!!

And I know how you feel about animals sweetie, bless you.....thats why I wanted to show you that there may be some places you haven't thought of :hug:
 
If that is for me and i have hurt somebodys feelings then i am sorry :hug:...oops !!

It was not directed at anyone in particular - I was just trying to pre empt a situation which normally arises as a result of threads like this.

No apologies necessary, yet LOL.
 
It was not directed at anyone in particular - I was just trying to pre empt a situation which normally arises as a result of threads like this.

No apologies necessary, yet LOL.


Phew... i think !!! :lol:

I don't know whereabouts in Suffook you are hun, but if its close enough, somewhere like this night be worth checking out...

The Suffolk Food Hall - welcome

Or look out for a local farmers market. they are cropping up everywhere now...even in town centres, as people who can't travel want the goods bringing to them!!

And I know how you feel about animals sweetie, bless you.....thats why I wanted to show you that there may be some places you haven't thought of :hug:

What a diamond you are...thanks sooo much for that hun...soooo much appericated xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx:hug:
 
ive gotta say, those pics dont really shock me either. :rolleyes:
 
My eldest boy did ask will you eat Pandora? Or is it an egg thing only?? Do the eggs taste different?

Pandora - cover your ears!!!! No, she's not for the pot, she's an egg girl only, although I'm told Marans make wonderful eating birds as well as layers. In the future Sean and I will be moving out to the country and I would love to be able to grow birds for the table as well, I'd know they had a wonderful life, which is the main thing, but could I kill them? The gutting and plucking isn't a problem, it's finding the most humane method to 'do the deed' quickly, there are a number of methods home rearers are allowed to use, but each has it's 'cons'. I'll probably decided when we actually move.

My girls are too young to lay yet, but the eggs I get from the farm are the best I've ever tasted, the supermarket free range eggs don't even come close.


His other question was "prove to me that any chicken I eat ISN'T brought up in these conditions? Do we get a step by step life history of each chicken?....I doubt it and probably a lot of people are paying more money for exactly the same thing with a different label"
He's a law student btw not a small child.

Obviously we have to rely on the honesty of the food source - this is why I no longer buy meat/fish/poultry from a supermarket. I have had a guy in the supermarket swear blind the fish I wanted was swimming in the sea that morning, yet a quick sniff of it proved it rancid. The meat I have bought from there in the past has been awful.

Your best bet is to find a good butcher who can tell you exactly where his meat/poultry has come from and how they were kept, the good ones will be bothered about things like this. We go to a farm shop and local farmers markets to get the majority of our food and the quality is so much better, and a lot of the time it's cheaper than the supermarket.

But another thing about chickens being brought up in these conditions, apart from the humane aspect, is that they are full of FAT. They aren't the healthy bird a Free Ranger is, so people thinking that they're doing good by their children and family and feeding them this instead of red meat are being tricked into thinking it's a 'healthy option', when it isn't.

It's all down to education and choice, a lot of people eat these cheap chickens because they don't know about the conditions they are kept in, but unfortunately there will always be people who don't care, which I find really sad. We're never going to get rid of the cheap broiler chicken, but it would be nice if more people went over to the free range or, even at a push, the 'freedom food/RSPCA approved' option.

Fiona - I feel very, very strongly about this topic, but am 'minding my manners' and trying to be polite so this thread doesn't get closed on my account :wink2:

Jackie
 
For me i knew how the chickens where raised that i ate...but my boys didnt....they watched this and from then on...they choose to eat free range......so its free range for us and it was the boys who made that decision, i think i would have carried on eating chicken/eggs / etc, without feelings of guilt and i probably would have switched the programme off to be honest....yep ignorance i suppose.........but i didnt switch over and watched with my boys we decided we would only choose free range...................
now for the money part...we eat free range eggs........but mother of 3 lads who eat alot as they are growing boys its a case of....free range chicken(expensive for me) or no chicken....so we hardly eat any chicken at all.....we are big lamb eaters and tuna (lol)......its cheaper...
i do get free range mayo...as the supermarkets do it.....
i have a specific budget each week for food....and if the boys and myself want to eat free range chicken then it has to be a treat/ a one off not part of a staple diet....

i can understand why people would buy caged chicken products.....money...its a struggle at the moment and free range chicken is not the easiest of options if you are skint...2 chickens cost the same as 1 free range chickens.....2 chickens can last a few meals...1 free range chicken cant......you cannot jump on people if the dont eat free range............really this has only come to light the past few years....alot of us where raised that caged chickens was the norm.....its only the next generation that is being told different.
consumer choice is still a consumers choice, armed with facts and choices if someone wants to make a decision either way who are we to point fingers....if the supply was stopped the demand would too....and thats down to powers that be to implement it
 
ive gotta say, those pics dont really shock me either. :rolleyes:

That's not something I would be proud of.

I purposefully didn't put the really bad pics up on this forum so as not to upset and offend people, there are plenty out there on the internet. Would a picture of puppies or kittens being treated in this manner not even tug at your heart?
 
That's not something I would be proud of.

I purposefully didn't put the really bad pics up on this forum so as not to upset and offend people, there are plenty out there on the internet. Would a picture of puppies or kittens being treated in this manner not even tug at your heart?

Im not so much proud of it, but it is how i feel, so im not ashamed either. And no, not even if it were kittens or puppies would it bother me. Although that IS a completely different issue as they are kept as domestic animals in the UK, not food, much like your chickens. Even though they produce eggs for you, they are basically pets, you have named them!!

At the end of the day there are far worse things going on in the world than chickens being reared for meat in a way that some people may believe is unethical.

But let me ask, how many of those people have an item of clothing in their house that originated from a tiny sweat shop full of underage workers being expolited. How many of them wear leather shoes or even have a leather sofa from cows that may not be free range?! exactly.
 
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I think we are going of the subject a bit here guys, its surely about doing what we can isnt it?? Making a difference and giving a toss!?!?
Cost is a huge issue for alot of people, so thats fair enough, but going so far as to say you just dont care?? hhmmm, I just dont get that!?

Anyway Ive had my say, Ive seen first hand how some animals are treated, and while weve mentioned puppies and kittens, if ever you were to see a puppy farm, you would be sick to your stomach!

I'll say no more!

xxxxxx:hug:
 
I think this could go on forever with the fors and against, I am an animal lover and do understand that some animals are not kept in the best of conditions. I am also gulity of buying the normal eggs and chickens ..... WHY Well for me it is the price I just couldnt afford to buy free-range and I am ashamed to say that I tend to ignore these programmes because what I dont know doesnt bother me.
 

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