What's the max, 50/50 or 60/40?

[mjpuds]

OK as the title mentions . i have employed for over 20 plus years now . but with a changing industry as hairdressing staff are wanting more money and it seems to be very hard to find good new staff member that want to be salary based. even when paying the living wage and extras .. so my question is what would seem the max when working out the ideal commission base.. 50/50 seems fare but i still seem to be lacking takers...would 60/40 { 40 to me }be silly..i can see this would be cutting it fine . i have even offered to start off salary based for first three months just to make it easier..

 

[S&G Beauty Bar]

Hi I've been a renter for 9 years, rented at various places due to moves with other halfs work. I'm beauty but have rented in hairdressers.

I know the hair salons were paying 40% to the haidresser as they were supplying the products.

In my curent salon, when I first started the owner took a smaller percentage, 35%, if you supplied your own products. We've all moved onto paying a set rental now.

So maybe don't provide the products if your percentage is 40% or less. (VAT would be paid on your percentage amount, not the whole cost of service. Just in case you're in that category.

Wow, 3 months is so generous!! I've never been offered that before. Maybe just offer the first month rent free to get them going, I've had that before. That way you can see if they're serious/any good or not. Then review it after a month, maybe then you might want to help them with a months salary.

Good luck

 

[mjpuds]

Sadly the area my salon is based is one of the most costly area of the uk . which means salary's have to be high already . you would think an advert like this on which has been running for over 8 months ..och ..would have more than 4 takers two of them had no training already .

Do you have what we are looking for, are you that stylist . If so get in touch .

We are looking for a experienced all-round hair stylist to work in our awesomely located salon just off the high street .If you’re wanting a change then come and join our small busy salon where passion and the love of client care are up most, which has now been looking after its clients for over 20 years in Winchester.

At Enigma I choose to reward your passion by paying you well, also providing ongoing training when needed and treating you with respect and allowing you total control of you working diary.

As a employer I see myself working along side you in the salon ,not just looking over your shoulder checking your every move.

We believe everyone works at there best in a relaxed working environment.

Only one late night a week , and also no early starts .

Great salary based on living wage 8.25 hour / age>24
Plus commission.

L`Oreal is our primary product, experience would be preferred, but full training will be provided to candidates passing the 3 month probation period

This is based on a 34.5 hour week .but if you want to work longer hours this is no problem.

Also happy to offer 50/50 self employment , with the offer of salary for the first three months to cover start up period.

Go on check out our face book page

https://www.facebook.com/Enigma-Hair-Design-199893856733263/timeline/?ref=hl

Skills needed are NVQ 2 -3

or three plus years of salon floor work.



Job Type: Full-time

Salary: £61.00 /day

 

[mjpuds]

Also im sure some has already worked out the saving calculation for the employer though not paying paye /holiday pay /vat saving on their earnings , any chance on sharing this calculation.

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[BannerPenguin]

A percentage is for self-employed people isn't it? Unless you are guaranteeing minimum wage and then the percentage if they exceed this. It's murky water doing it this way.

 

[mjpuds]

A percentage is for self-employed people isn't it? Unless you are guaranteeing minimum wage and then the percentage if they exceed this. It's murky water doing it this way.

Thanks for the reply. I would of thought if offering any form of wage would stop them from being self employed .

Maybe a straight rent a chair is more simple .

Shame I have always thought working within a team each helping one another . Employer there to help and offer support when needed. Makes a stronger team .

 

[AcidPerm]

May I suggest a couple of changes of wording?

As a employer I see myself working along side you in the salon ,not just looking over your shoulder checking your every move. You're actually saying you will be checking their every move!

How about something like this?
My management style is nurturing and supportive and I prefer not to micro manage every appointment.

We believe everyone works at there (their) best in a friendly relaxed working environment.


Also happy to offer 50/50 self employment , with the offer of salary for the first three months to cover start up period.
You might get more takers with a basic daily rate.

 

[RED STAR]

Thanks for the reply. I would of thought if offering any form of wage would stop them from being self employed .

Maybe a straight rent a chair is more simple .

Shame I have always thought working within a team each helping one another . Employer there to help and offer support when needed. Makes a stronger team .

I'm an 'old school' salon owner who prefers to employ......
Just like you, I like to work as a team, encouraging each other, what ever their level, in a happy, social environment.
I have, over the last 4 years found it IMPOSSIBLE to get staff!

I t has become more popular to work from a home set up, or offer a mobile service, as the hairdresser gets to keep all they take.

I am more than happy to offer above the minimum wage, with a very generous commission and holiday pay, but I believe there to be the impression out there that salon owners are 'raking it in', and offering peanuts!

 

[hazelb]

mmmm My only input is:

If you want to offer an incentive for a self employed person...DON'T do it by offering them a wage, I know what you mean but it will be unworkable in reality.
Are you going to class them as salaried? pay them hol, sick pay, NI for three months then 'sack them' so they can be self employed? I can see a minefield of employment law there.

Why not offer a self employed person a low nominal fixed rent for the first 3 months ( or rent free ) then go on to a fixed rate or 50/50

 

[mjpuds]

I'm an 'old school' salon owner who prefers to employ......
Just like you, I like to work as a team, encouraging each other, what ever their level, in a happy, social environment.
I have, over the last 4 years found it IMPOSSIBLE to get staff!

I t has become more popular to work from a home set up, or offer a mobile service, as the hairdresser gets to keep all they take.

I am more than happy to offer above the minimum wage, with a very generous commission and holiday pay, but I believe there to be the impression out there that salon owners are 'raking it in', and offering peanuts!

yup we are raking it in... hmm me thinks not, after 35 years in the industry sadly I see no future for small salons owners/hairdressers which is funny because every year in my town/city there must be at least 25 new hairdressers coming into the industry. ok in the same town there are 10 long term salons and a few new ones , when I say long term I mean 20 years plus. what are all new stylists goals if its not to run a salon, then I guess they are just landlords running a rent a chair system. not much fun in that.