Brisa White Sculpting Gel vs Brisa White Paint on Gel

[ValencianNails]

So if you look at all three of your gels, do they all look the same? I mean the way they sit in the pots?

They don't look the same... the French Pinks, regular pink and clear gels are all 'even' in the pot and do have self levelling qualities but aren't 'full' self levelling gels, the white and soft white don't self level at all and are thicker than the other gels in the range... the white and soft white are perfect for sculpting and also doing NNO's.
I used to hate working with the white sculpting gels but nowadays I rarely use POW as I've mastered the sculpting whites and get a better result (IMO) with them.

I like using it tbh super strong xx

Me too

re the POW being used as a sculpting gel?!? That isn't what it's supposed to do, it's for painting on the enhancement, not sculpting.
Can I ask you, where did you do your Brisa training?

 

[kathyharper]

I am with you on this also. I thought the same thing. I went as far as ordering another white and it was thick also. I couldn't every get it to even out. I only used the paint on tips with clear underneath. I don't use CND anymore I had a lot of problems with the gel and acrylic. Probably because I wasn't properly educated. I lost a lot of clients over it. So I have switched to Young Nails. The white is thick, but ot as thick.

 

[Lucy-Jayne]

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Can I ask you, where did you do your Brisa training?

Probably not best for me to name and shame on here - can cause too many problems. I'm going to have a word with the education department at Sweet Squared. It's certainly not me getting it wrong because I remember vividly asking the ambassador if it was right and moaning to myself, and she watched me do both the sculpts.

 

[Sals]

Blimey, haven't I caused a kerfuffle!:green:

The sculpting white gel I'm used to is much thicker than a POW but has a much "smoother" consistency than Lucy-Jayne's I tried last night. It felt like it needed to go on with a trowel rather than a brush! Even after gently stirring the gel it still "peaked" in the pot and was nigh on impossible to pick up a bead.

Obviously I'm not trained in Brisa (yet) so was just wondering if it's meant to be that thick. As Lucy-Jayne said, I loved the clear and pink gels but this is putting me off a bit.

BTW, she does a fabby sausage and mash!:green:

Sorry to post and run; at work and no internet at home at the mo. Will catch up tomorrow.:hug:

 

[beautynails]

Probably not best for me to name and shame on here - can cause too many problems. I'm going to have a word with the education department at Sweet Squared. It's certainly not me getting it wrong because I remember vividly asking the ambassador if it was right and moaning to myself, and she watched me do both the sculpts.

If you are sure that's what she was teaching, not to paint it on after building the extension edge in clear, then I think you definately need the have a chat with S2. Aren't you lucky you brought it up.

 

[lotus blossom]

when i use the brisa sculpting white, it is thick, and where you have took a bit out of the pot it leaves a dent, it doesnt self level in the pot,

so if you imagine a pot with 10 globs of gel out of it and all leaving dents in the pot, this is how it should look,
it needs that consistency to be a good sculpting gel,
the others are runnier in comparison
hth xx

 

[ValencianNails]

Probably not best for me to name and shame on here - can cause too many problems.

I'm sorry, you're right, I shouldn't have asked you :o

 

[Jogels]

I've been playing around with the Brisa White for quite sometime now and I also found it to be too thick to work with. No matter how I applied it I just wasn't satisfied so I ended up adding some clear runny gel to it and now it's all I use. I love it!! It self levels to some degree but it is still stiff enough to hold its shape and crisp smile line. My fills are coming back in perfect shape. I was only mixing mini 'batches' of it but now I've mixed the whole darn pot with some clear gel. I've showed this to a few techs and now they are doing the same thing and lovin' it. So if you're having any trouble with the Brisa white, you might want to give this a go.

 

[min11]

I never saw this topic before, not having ever touched gel until the Event I didn't read gel topics outside of critiques. I had mailed Samantha not long after The Event as on doing my Brisa set in my gallery I found the white to be thick, you could find where I had taken gel out. I was certain I'd heard this covered at the Event but I had so much to absorb I just couldn't remember. I mailed to ask if it should be that way and Samantha asked Roxanne.

The pink and clear gels are self leveling but the white is designed to be firmer so that it stays where you apply it and you can get clean crisp smiles.

This made perfect sense once I thought about it as I have seen gel nails before that are gorgeous but the smiles although lovely didn't have the same exacting crispness of L&P smiles and is why the Event and discovering Brisa had been such a revelation as its why I had preferred to stick with L&P previously. That firmness definately makes it stay put exactly where you left it and get that smile in. Maybe its because I am used to L&P but to me the real novelty of gel is that you can perfect that smile for longer as it doesn't cure until you put it in the lamp. The white not seeping or stringing as you prefect it just makes it so much better too.

xx

 

[Pink Pink Pink]

I've been playing around with the Brisa White for quite sometime now and I also found it to be too thick to work with. No matter how I applied it I just wasn't satisfied so I ended up adding some clear runny gel to it and now it's all I use. I love it!! It self levels to some degree but it is still stiff enough to hold its shape and crisp smile line. My fills are coming back in perfect shape. I was only mixing mini 'batches' of it but now I've mixed the whole darn pot with some clear gel. I've showed this to a few techs and now they are doing the same thing and lovin' it. So if you're having any trouble with the Brisa white, you might want to give this a go.

Genius. Will try this too.
I have only done one full set with gels so far - have infills in a week so we'll see if they lasted. I used POW because I used tips but admittedly - I was hesitant to use the sculpting gel as I was not shown how to use it. This would make it easier.

 

[min11]

Does mixing it with clear not dilute the whiteness? If the soft white is also thicker I just wonder how it affects it for coverage.

I only mailed Samantha because I thought there might be something wrong with it as it was so different to the other gels in the kit but have to say once I knew it was fine I just got on with it and found it lovely to works with.

 

[adelekeegan1]

Does mixing it with clear not dilute the whiteness? If the soft white is also thicker I just wonder how it affects it for coverage.

I only mailed Samantha because I thought there might be something wrong with it as it was so different to the other gels in the kit but have to say once I knew it was fine I just got on with it and found it lovely to works with.

Yes, mixing it with clear does make it more translucent - the only time I do this is when I am mixing a natural free edge colour (and then I add cool pink semi sheer and yellow as well)

I found the white sculpting gel very hard to master (as you can see from the beginning of this thread) but now use it all the time in preference to paint on white.

I have found that keeping the brush almost flat to the nail and 'paddling' the gel the best way to use it. I 'nudge' the gel from behind to create the smile and then swipe out where necessary.

 

[Ignatz]

Does mixing it with clear not dilute the whiteness? If the soft white is also thicker I just wonder how it affects it for coverage.

I've been thinking of mixing Sculpting White and Paint On White together to fix the consistency; that way the white would stay white (haven't tried it yet though). Soft white exists as paint-on as well.

 

[min11]

I wondered if the paint on came in that as well but to be honest I didn't find it any easier to use. That might partly be because I used the brush in the bottle but the white gel was fine and once I stopped thinking too hard about it being gel it all seemed to drop into place. Might seem a bit odd but I almost wish the pinks were a little more solid sometimes.

 

[Jogels]

Yes, mixing it with clear does make it more translucent

Actually No, the white I mixed is still very bright and the smile lines are very crisp. It is far from being translucent! The coverage is exceptional and the application is quick and easy. I gave a sample of it to a coworker who has never found the white she likes and since she used this combo, she has shaved at least 10 minutes off of her service time. It also files very nicely as well. I just mixed in enough runny clear so that it had some self leveling property. It is absolutely beautiful. Since I don't have the Brisa Clear I used a relatively 'cool' gel (meaning minimal heat spike) by Nail Basics called FLEX. Since we don't have a NB dist. here any more, the gals are now using INT Classic Thin instead. Apparently the NB Flex is the same as the Young Nails FLEX. Try it by just making a sample batch and adding clear until you like the consistency of it. You won't be adding so much that it becomes transparent or runny. Infact, I can still do 4 nails without freeze curing and the gel stays exactly where it's put.

:wink2:

 

[min11]

It always confuses me when you get an experienced tech advocating mixing brands together when it's always said to be such a major no no. How do you know it cures properly if its two different brands in one pot?

I'm not trying to be argumentative, just clear in my head :hug:

 

[Jogels]

I usually don't mix different brands in the same pot but rather I usually layer different brands> For example, I love the Amore bonder and I don't ever use anything else in its place, I love the Akzentz Top Gloss so that is all I use as a Top coat. Anyhow, I do use the Brisa lights and I know they cure both of the gels I mixed. Do I know what happens when I mix them? Well no b/c I don't have a lab am not a scientist but is it working for me and my clients? Yes! Honestly I don't think Brisa has a runny enough clear to make this combo... if they did, I'd add it instead.

 

[Klassy Klaws]

Im sorry but the whole point of the thickness of the sculpting white is for sculpting.
It needs to be thicker than the clear and pink so it is easier to pump into place creating a lovely crisp smile. Lumps and bumps don't matter as a quick swipe with a buffer and they are gone.
I only use the paint on white for toes or repairing ears Ive been a bit over zealous filing :lol:.

As for mixing the white with clear to thin it in my opinion defeats the purpose of using Brisa white sculpting gel altogether.
:hug:

 

[min11]

Im sorry but the whole point of the thickness of the sculpting white is for sculpting.
It needs to be thicker than the clear and pink so it is easier to pump into place creating a lovely crisp smile. Lumps and bumps don't matter as a quick swipe with a buffer and they are gone.
I only use the paint on white for toes or repairing ears Ive been a bit over zealous filing :lol:.

As for mixing the white with clear to thin it in my opinion defeats the purpose of using Brisa white sculpting gel altogether.
:hug:

Agreed and which was what I was trying to say with my post on the last page. xxx

 

[Jogels]

The mix is still very thick, still likely thicker than most other white I have used. I don't add a ton of clear, just a little. Again, it is thick enough to do all fingers without having to freeze cure, the smile lines are beautiful and the gel does not slump or pool. If I would not have tried this, I would have a large pot of Brisa white just sitting there as I did not care for it prior to this. I guess it comes down to a personal preference as to what consistency of product we like to work with.

What else can I say other than try mixing up a small amount to see for yourself. :wink2: