ok call me mad, but i have just made a rash decission

[Scratchers]

HHHmmmm interesting think i will phone and see tomorrow i'm sure when i had a catologe aagggeeess ago it stated that i woul have to send them off to set up with them, and i'm sure that is what creative would have asked them to do???:irked:

 

[izzidoll]

Maybe Karen has an honest voice...everyone else has to fax their certificate!!!

 

[clara doon]

HHHmmmm interesting think i will phone and see tomorrow i'm sure when i had a catologe aagggeeess ago it stated that i woul have to send them off to set up with them, and i'm sure that is what creative would have asked them to do???:irked:

when I set my account up ages ago I had to send a photo copy of my certs, good thing too !!

as we all know its better to be trained in a product, I could buy another product tomorrow but wouldn't know how to get the best from it, so what would be the point? oh but I could ask on the board I guess !

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

Sorry hun i meant that, Creative have been the only ones that i have trained with that say you have to be trained to use the products but there are many products in the wholesalers that you can buy without a conversion but we would advise them to do, whether they take our advise or not is a different matter.

Yes i am confused as to where you were able to get the products too as with Ellisons you have to send you creative certificate so you can buy the creative products??

Hi Kirsty, I'm quoting you only because you raised the point, and a good one :hug:. I trained initially with Pronails and as far as I am aware, you either have to do an initial training with them or a conversion if already trained. I also understand this to be the case with Calgel.

Yes, one may be able to purchase a trial kit, I have a Moxy kit from Creative, but any further kits, I assume (and I may be wrong) I would need the correct training. For example, I received my trial kit from Calgel along with DVD. But this was merely an informative tool. I completed my conversion with Calgel and can hence purchase their products as I can Pronails. Clarification on this would be great, thank you.

Which leads me to my second query. If some of these products can be purchased from the wholesalers, then why and how is this the case?

 

[izzidoll]

Hi Kirsty, I'm quoting you only because you raised the point, and a good one :hug:. I trained initially with Pronails and as far as I am aware, you either have to do an initial training with them or a conversion if already trained. I also understand this to be the case with Calgel.

Yes, one may be able to purchase a trial kit, I have a Moxy kit from Creative, but any further kits, I assume (and I may be wrong) I would need the correct training. For example, I received my trial kit from Calgel along with DVD. But this was merely an informative tool. I completed my conversion with Calgel and can hence purchase their products as I can Pronails. Clarification on this would be great, thank you.

Which leads me to my second query. If some of these products can be purchased from the wholesalers, then why and how is this the case?

None of the products you mention can be bought at a wholesalers, but through their UK distributors, who also provide training. Try me kits are just that, to give you a 'try' before you book a conversion.
However some lower end products can unfortunately be bought off the shelf with no proof of qualifications in some wholesalers. I have never heard of this 'pure' product, but it is obviously one that can be bought at a wholesalers. HTH

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

None of the products you mention can be bought at a wholesalers, but through their UK distributors, who also provide training. Try me kits are just that, to give you a 'try' before you book a conversion.
However some lower end products can unfortunately be bought off the shelf with no proof of qualifications in some wholesalers. I have never heard of this 'pure' product, but it is obviously one that can be bought at a wholesalers. HTH

Thank you Izzidoll, you have confirmed what I thought. I have not heard of 'Pure Products' either. I am not saying that they are or are not reputable, but I do not recall having heard of them.

 

[nailzandbeauty]

Some one told me the other day that Star Nails make the Pure Nail product hth's x

 

[Bev Rose]

I Think you'll find that this is the Pure Nails that's being mentioned.....

Pure Acrylic Nail Products

Never used it myself, I have got a box of natural tips in my store cupboard tho.

 

[MINKUS]

my thoughts....

You can try every product under the sun....if you DONT get the correct training with it and use the correct lamp with it...it ISNT going to work !

What a load of f*&CKING BALONEY about HYPERION Im SICK of hearing about it:irked:

 

[ValencianNails]

I am a qualified nail tch, I went to college and did my vctc in acrylic, gel, and silk. I can work with any system.
Maybe so, but being as each system has different qualities it will mean that without doing a conversion course you won't be using the particular system to it's optimum and you won't be getting the best from the system.

The gel is setting but i found out that i was prep the nails to well.
How on earth can you prep the nails 'too well'?

I just do not seem to be able to get on with it.
This is because you haven't been shown how to use the product, without the education you will never be as able to use a product as someone who has done a conversion course.

To be quite honest with you, we have given you top notch support and advice in more than one of your threads, our advice has been ignored and you now think that by changing brands your problems will now disappear... I think you will be very much mistaken and that your problems are with your application... until you listen to the advice given to you and take that advice you will continue to have application problems regardless of which system you decide to use.

 

[1999judy]

I originally did a VTCT in enhancements
I thought the products I was using weren't so good so I went on and did more training. I just knew immediately that things were wrong. I had service breakdown etc. and didn't feel happy.
Sometimes you can get "a feel" for a product, and sometimes you realise it's money wasted. You deal with it and move on.
Maybe it sometimes goes back to the phrase "You can't put old head on young shoulders"
Not that I'm old or will ever be for that matter

 

[MINKUS]

out of interest...what lamp do you have?

 

[Scratchers]

None of the products you mention can be bought at a wholesalers, but through their UK distributors, who also provide training. Try me kits are just that, to give you a 'try' before you book a conversion.
However some lower end products can unfortunately be bought off the shelf with no proof of qualifications in some wholesalers. I have never heard of this 'pure' product, but it is obviously one that can be bought at a wholesalers. HTH

Thats what i was trying to say lol sorry ladies my head is full of Geisha stuff at the minute for my photo shoot tomorrow my brain along with my vocab has turned to mush lol

 

[beautynails]

To be quite honest with you, we have given you top notch support and advice in more than one of your threads, our advice has been ignored and you now think that by changing brands your problems will now disappear... I think you will be very much mistaken and that your problems are with your application... until you listen to the advice given to you and take that advice you will continue to have application problems regardless of which system you decide to use.

I have to agree with Sandi. It seems like you keep asking for advice, which everybody gives very generously, only for you to ignore & then ask for more advice.

Foundation course- for beginners
Conversion course- for qualified techs!!!:grr:

I have tried 5 different gels, they all work very differently, my original generic training did not give me the knowledge I need for any of them.

 

[VHunter]

I feel that it's very arrogant and ignorant to presume that one has had sufficient training, that they needn't take a conversion to learn a new system.
1) each system has it's own quirks
2) not all training is created equal and sometimes either the course we take doesn't cover certain areas orrrr we forgot about something we learned, or something we learned finally "clicks" and we get it, etc etc..

To be successful, training and education MUST be an ongoing process.
To attempt to take a shorcut by skipping a conversion course, you're doing two things:
doing a disservice to yourself and doing a disservice to your clients.
Your clients deserve a tech that is FULLY knowledgeable with regards to the products chosen and used. Without a converion, you can NOT make the claim that you are completely knowledgeable about the system of your choice.

And as already stated, had you taken a conversion; you likely wouldn't have the problems that you do.

Stop trying to take shortcuts and stop blaming the products.
I regret to say it, but the problem is yourself and that is where the blame lies.
We have ALL taken blame at one point or another, for using our own systems the wrong way, it's a learning curve. A CONTINUOUS learning curve.
It takes a while and a few mistakes before you learn a new system and that's WITH a conversion course.

EVEN the most experienced in the industry are learning something new every day.
Look at Geeg? She recently tried a new method. She is smart enough to know that we need to keep learning.

Learn from that, and from our own experiences, instead of repeating the mistakes of others.

 

[Sassy Hassy]

Can I just say on here - and I know this is going off topic - that I feel it rather unkind to keep giving this thread the thumbs down. I am not aware of the previous threads that have been posted by the original poster, or help that has been given to her elsewhere so I can understand if they have been given out of pure :grr: . But is it really necessary?

The thing about being given information is that it gives a person choice. If they choose to ignore perfectly valid advice then that is up to them, and they will probably find out in time and to their cost that it was the wrong choice ... but I feel people are using the Diggs unfairly and in a worse way than the neg reps ever were. I know we are all a bit touchy on here at the moment, but let's try and lead with positivity where possible. Pretty please :hug:

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

Can I just say on here - and I know this is going off topic - that I feel it rather unkind to keep giving this thread the thumbs down. I am not aware of the previous threads that have been posted by the original poster, or help that has been given to her elsewhere so I can understand if they have been given out of pure :grr: . But is it really necessary?

The thing about being given information is that it gives a person choice. If they choose to ignore perfectly valid advice then that is up to them, and they will probably find out in time and to their cost that it was the wrong choice ... but I feel people are using the Diggs unfairly and in a worse way than the neg reps ever were. I know we are all a bit touchy on here at the moment, but let's try and lead with positivity where possible. Pretty please :hug:

I do agree with this and feel that the negative diggs are akin to the neg rep system. Once again peeps are going to feel afraid to post for fear of reprisal.

Personally, I think it is unfortunate that Jenney2 has made such a rash decision after receiving great advice and support, but I don't think the thumbs down are necessary. It's -9 now but it was -10 just now and will make the newbies run a mile.

 

[ValencianNails]

It's -9 now but it was -10 just now

:wink2: that was me, trying to get the balance back a little :green:

 

[Kim Lawless]

Are the digs (diggs?) the thumbs? Am I missing something or do only certain threads have them as they're only there at random on my screen? Ta. x

 

[Sassy Hassy]

I think they are only on the main forums Kim.