ok call me mad, but i have just made a rash decission

[Susie H]

when this thread started I would not have believed that it could have become so interesting.
Mike, I think you need to go back and read what valencia nails wrote, sentence by sentence. Taken separately I think she has been accurate.
Problems with a specific product require training with someone who has worked extensively with that product.
Then she separately said continuous training is required to advance.
She did not say the only way forward was to take continuous PRODUCT training.
So I find I must agree with valencia nails because every tech I have ever met has a wall or a book full of certificates quiet often from many different training establishments. And all of them contribute to a techs skills.
My opinion is that if you stop training and pushing your knowledge you will stagnate.
But like Cathie I love the idea of a time served apprenticeship and feel it is a great shame that our industry does not encourage that way forward, perhaps with an NVQ assessor coming into your work place to see the standard has been met and issue a certificate rather then, as Cathie says all that hard work and skill going unrecognized and the apprentice having to then go to collage to work at a standard that, in my experience is not of as high a standard as is found in a lot of our product specific salons.
By the way I love a good debate to:hug:

 

[jenny2]

Totally agree, to become the best we can we always need to advance our skills and qualifications and become the best we possibly can at our jobs, no matter what we specialise in. College is fantastic and in depth training is given, but it isn't untill we get out there into the big wide world when we need to learn more. I trained in a very cheap basic faciel product and only through doing my decleor training did i learn much more precise techniques and a llarger product range. I am also going to use susan moleneux products and have arranged to go and do there training so i can treat my clent properly and give the best service. The same with brisa obviously i have dabbled with it and no i need more training, in any proffesion with new more mordern state of the art products we have to keep training to be able to give the product justice. But when you have clients and a family you work with what you no untill you can get the money and the courses available to pursue it. I third in house training and external varifiers top come in and ***** because hands on is often the best way.

 

[1999judy]

Totally agree, to become the best we can we always need to advance our skills and qualifications and become the best we possibly can at our jobs, no matter what we specialise in. College is fantastic and in depth training is given, but it isn't untill we get out there into the big wide world when we need to learn more. I trained in a very cheap basic faciel product and only through doing my decleor training did i learn much more precise techniques and a llarger product range. I am also going to use susan moleneux products and have arranged to go and do there training so i can treat my clent properly and give the best service. The same with brisa obviously i have dabbled with it and no i need more training, in any proffesion with new more mordern state of the art products we have to keep training to be able to give the product justice. But when you have clients and a family you work with what you no untill you can get the money and the courses available to pursue it. I third in house training and external varifiers top come in and ***** because hands on is often the best way.

I'm glad things are more positive for you after a somewhat bumpy thread:hug:
Good luck with your training, let us know how it all goes.

 

[RedAdmiral]

7 pages! wow peeps! certainly gave me food for thought. In the original post I thought changing from Brisa to a powder gel system so weird as its a diff application (applying gel then sprinkling powder over) and if it was me would've grabbed a simple generic thick/thin gel off the shelf instead of changing over. The outcome as it happened was succesful for Jenny2 so I'm happy. What will always shock me is some peps total devotion to their product company its a good thing but sometimes can sound so...erm aggressive. I'm totally up for a debate and'll love to see a few more but can they not be anything to do with product houses as it always ends up like this!

 

[nailzoo]

7 pages! wow peeps! certainly gave me food for thought. In the original post I thought changing from Brisa to a powder gel system so weird as its a diff application (applying gel then sprinkling powder over) and if it was me would've grabbed a simple generic thick/thin gel off the shelf instead of changing over. The outcome as it happened was succesful for Jenny2 so I'm happy. What will always shock me is some peps total devotion to their product company its a good thing but sometimes can sound so...erm aggressive. I'm totally up for a debate and'll love to see a few more but can they not be anything to do with product houses as it always ends up like this!

"Devotion to a product shouldn't be shocking", the education that accompanies said product often backs up the devotion.

The title of this thread including the word "rash" may be very apt, particularly with gels and the reactions caused by some of them.

Swapping product is not always the solution, but often the "easy way out" not all products are created equally .

I could delve into all enhancements being "acrylic" (Gels, L&P, Wraps) .... yes they all are. All Gels being made from Acrylates ... blah, blah,blah , and the allergic reactions caused by many of them ..... except one .... (guess which brand)? Which company is more concerned about the possibility of allergic reactions (even to the point of no longer supplying certain products). Which company spends the most money on research & development? Rather than buying in buckets, decanting into containers sticking a label on it, then passing it off as their own.

There is such a company .... I don't even use their products ... but I still respect them and what they have done for the industry.

I can't stand people slating a product with no knowledge of how it was designed or meant to be used, it's unfair, the least you can do is learn how to use it properly, they way it was designed and made, rather than assuming you know .... I would almost considerer it "slanderous".

Many products work the same because, lets face it, they come from the same bucket. But also realise some are "different", in chemical makeup and application (if you care to educate yourself beyond what you were initially taught).

So no point slagging them off due to your own ignorance, lack of education, or your own "cheapness" in not undertaking some basic training in their use.

Can I be devoted to a product I don't use ? I think I can.
Guess which company/brand I am talking about? I don't even have to mention a brand name, it's a worldwide fact, a yardstick that many try to emulate.

So stick that in your gel pot and cure it.......

 

[Vetty]

So stick that in your gel pot and cure it.......

:lol::lol::lol:

 

[jenny2]

well, my pure nails still look good, my clients ar happy and they aint comin off. Glad to here training will be commencing soon with creative again and would like t say a big thank you for your replies:hug:

 

[Trendy Talons]

well, my pure nails still look good, my clients ar happy and they aint comin off. Glad to here training will be commencing soon with creative again and would like t say a big thank you for your replies:hug:

Hi to all!!

Have been a nail tech since '95 and a distributor and educator for 'Magnetic' since 2003.
In the last few months stuff has happened that has made me look in different directions and for different suppliers looking for an agent in Northern Ireland and I have established a very pleasant working relation ship with Tony and his girls at 'Pure Nails and also with the lovely Michelle and her colleagues at 'Palms Extra'.

Suffice to say that Magnetic and I are no more...


Anyway, the 'GelAcryl' mentioned (and I appreciate that 'Pure Nails' is not the most delicious looking brand out there, but it 'does what it says on the tin' and I believe that they might be working on some changes) is a great product where you scoop up your bead of gel and "drag/twirl" it through the powder, hence making concrete! Acrylic strength and gel flexibility.
It works a treat on me (acrylic girl)! But like with any product, it's not everyone's ideal enhancement product. But if you can't make up your mind (or have a typical gel client in need of more ooompf) it's worth the (not so expensive) go!

I came from a situation where I was very unhappy with the mother company back up for little old lonely distributor here and I felt almost forced into making a move.
Several suppliers demanded ridiculous amounts of cash up front and after having spend loads of cash on the last brand I wasn't willing to do so!

Tony and Michelle were extremely reasonable from the start and are a delight to work with!!!
And they sell good stuff: 'Pure Nails' has a fab 'desperate housewives' ivory French White gel, whilst 'Palms Extra has a great p*rn star hyper white gel.
So something for everyone!!

Ok, that's me having my say!!!!

Am also closing down my salon at the end of this week, will see to my regulars and my students mobile, have been offered a very nice position with another nail studio and I'll be able to relax and enjoy my job as a tech and as an educator again!!

Am now in the city center and am surrounded by so-called professional salons having fun with booking in clients that never show up and one of them has been known to actually have 'clients' coming in to pump me for information!!!

Very sad.....but I will be happy!!!!

Ok, sorry for going on and on.....have had 2 1/2 glasses of rose:zzz:
And yes, I do sell leftover stock on Ebay (oh my God-the shame!!)
And lastly: SPROUTS RULE!!!!:green:

 

[Trendy Talons]

Doh!!:idea:

Night, night!

Christel:hug:

 

[Trendy Talons]

Just arrived in work....
need to set some stuff straight;

Ebay:

Happened to come across a 'let's bash Ebay' thread last night,
I do sell left-over stock, not at greatly inflated prices (I am lucky to get my distributors price back, and often I don't! Have just sold 2 airbrush machines for roughly £40.00 each!!! One of them with loads of new paints etc. A complete loss, but what am I going to do? Just have them sitting here, gathering dust? No point! And I am clearing out my premises so this was the best of 2 evils...)
When I sell technique products I do mention that these are professional items, that I assume that the people bidding on them will have the appropriate knowledge and that I cannot be held responsible!
If someone that buys them wants to muck about on their own nails, well-that's their decision!

I started off being a supplier with sky-high morals but have learned over the last few years that with places like 'Sally's' around, what I sell off on Ebay a few times a year is not that awful!:Grope:

Goods are properly bought/brought in, properly packaged etc.

I also buy bits and pieces, brush on glues are a lot better priced and there is a better choice of 3D stickers for a good price....

Salon:
I am NOT closing down my salon thanks to the competition!
Have had loads of my regular clients asking about home appointments over the last year, I do an awful lot of kid's parties and I do understand that dragging 10 youngsters into town is a nuisance!
I also do not need the amount of storage anymore since I can get away now with ordering smaller quantities of supplies in. And when I first trained with LCN, I was trained at home so to keep paying loads of rent for that would be a silly business decision!

I have had awful dealings with the "competetion" here.. there is a lot of bitchiness going around with making false appointments and as I said yesterday complete with KGB/FBI stuff happening, very scary! And very de-moralizing!
As far as I am concerned there is enough business to be had for all and I find it disturbing that my 'colleagues' will stoop to these practices.

Fighting against it has proven useless, they still get the business even though one of the places has a horrible reputation but dragging extremely loyal Northern Irish clients away is a no-no.

Quote: 'I told my auntie to come to you too, but she keeps saying that she used to be friends with the owners now deceased mummy! If she stops going the owner will start to ask questions'

So what? Tell her your nails hurt??!!

Another "colleague" claims to be a nail champion (which she isn't) and she also "won" an award for best salon (she works for the company that organized that contest)....:irked:

But what's the point in trying to enlighten the 'public'?
They don't (want to ?) know any better and it will only come across as me being bitchy in return.

That part of the business did make the final decision easier, it's something i don't want to be part of anymore!

I will be fine!!!!


Sprouts: I love them (they have to be grandma mushy though!)
I want to sign up!!!! Want the mascot and will spend some time on Vista trying to design a Sprout T-Shirt!!!!!

So, bye for now!:hug:


Christel
xx