ok call me mad, but i have just made a rash decission

[jenny2]

wow, allot has been said whilst i have been away. I have not ignored any advise. As i have said i will be doing further training. In the meantime i needed a product that i could work with now. It is not acrylic, it is gel and acrylic. You dip the brush in the gel then in the acrylic and apply to the nail, building the apex as normal. I actually used this system last night and am very pleased with the results.

Ok buying brisa, no one has to take any course to use it, other than being qualified as a nail tech. That is why brisa do a training video with the kit. As i am a qualified therapist they do not require a conversion course of any sort.

I spoke with creative after speaking with you guys and they only recommended one to one for a few hours working with the system if i came accross any problems.

Obviously with the situation the way it is it is very difficult to get hold of any one at the min and i have clients that require my services,

Creative is a fantastic top of the range brand, i have appretiated all your advise and can not understand why i have been given all these comments. I will when things have sorted them selves out have some one come out to me, as i have not spent the money i have on the products to not use the system. But in the mean time i am working with what i no.

So please why is every one getting upset with me.

Points

. any one can buy brisa and does not have to take a conversion course as long as you have been to college. Obviously if you have only trained with creative or scratchers and not obtained your vctc then that is a different story

. Creative supply a video so that you have not got to take any courses unless required by the individual proffesional, that is from creative them selves

. Ellisons will sell any system if you hold a vctc qualification

. I am not saying in any way or form that there is any thing wrong with brisa, i will take more training as i feel i need it in this particular system, but in the mean time i will stick with what i no, and that was you guys advise, It may be a slightly newer product, but works on the same principles


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[Kim Lawless]

Jenny2.......I've just given you a thumbs up as this reply was a lot clearer to understand that your previous posts. I'm guessing that it was because of the lack of clarity that geeks gave you the thumbs down. xxx

 

[jenny2]

Thank you so much brow quenn, i had to get my son to help me write this one, as i am obviously confusing people. I am dyslexic and find it very difficult to write, and read. I have made mention of this before, but it is obviously causing a problem with people who are reading my threads. I am sorry for that:cry:

 

[blossom]

Morning Jenny2, I bet you had a surprise to see all the replies, well done for staying calm in the face of the onslaught . . .

I have given your thread a thumbs up 1)to redress the balance cos I thought it was a poor show and 2) cos it certainly got everyone thinking and made for a lot more interesting reading than a lot of threads . . . and 3) cos you have as much right as anyone else to ask anything, and how any of us uses the advice we are given is up to us. We are not duty bound to do what we are advised by geeks on here, the advice is always appreciated though because it helps us make decisions . . .

Well good luck anyway in whatever you choose.

 

[littlegrohl]

My 2 cents..:|..
please dont get upset but getting Creative products is easy.. Expensive.. but easy!!
I just recieved my starter kit because i booked a conversion with Fran a lady about 4 1/2 hours from me who is giving me a 2 day course so i can buy and provide Creative products..without feeling like an imposter!!!
Why do i want to add Creative to the services i already have? Because I have been very impressed with what i have read and seen here.. I have gone into town and had it applied by a salon who use it and was extrememly impressed with the Retention+ and the ease of its use.. I asked alot of questions and was put in touch with Fran... and If it will help me build my business in the end then that can only be good..
Dont get me wrong.. straight out of school i did an OPI 121 which lasted 4 hours and while i was impressed at the time.. i soon grew to have a few problems with the application process.. a personal thing. Since then i have floated between OPI and my initial training products.

As i said earlier.. Without having a conversion cert i can buy Creative.. Not only on Ebay and the like either.. Because i have tried in the past.. My impulse to try Creative led me to decide to buy a starter kit, but i could have got whatever i wanted.. :irked:.. I decided before i spent a bucket load of money on it i may aswell try it.. so i had a set done and got a number then a starter kit sent to me as part of the corse.:lol:
I choose to spend two days away from my kids, in town on my own, to learn how to use it because I have spent far too much time, money and energy trying to bring my service up above average that i wouldn't settle for anything else.. In my own mind im sure if i put my head to it i could use any system.. but use it well?? prolly not!

Its important for me to be taken seriously.. because i take my work seriously.. sorry to hi-jack the thread.. but i would advise anyone to challenge themselves rather then give up..

I have made this decision regardless of the bad press concerning Creative.. I am excited again about nails.. excited about what i have seen and about what i am about to learn.. Maybe i will find the system that works for me?? Maybe ill just get 2 days well deserved time off from the chicklettes.. but ill definately learn something!

 

[beautynails]

My 2 cents..:|..
please dont get upset but getting Creative products is easy.. Expensive.. but easy!!
I just recieved my starter kit because i booked a conversion with Fran a lady about 4 1/2 hours from me who is giving me a 2 day course so i can buy and provide Creative products..without feeling like an imposter!!!
Why do i want to add Creative to the services i already have? Because I have been very impressed with what i have read and seen here.. I have gone into town and had it applied by a salon who use it and was extrememly impressed with the Retention+ and the ease of its use.. I asked alot of questions and was put in touch with Fran... and If it will help me build my business in the end then that can only be good..
Dont get me wrong.. straight out of school i did an OPI 121 which lasted 4 hours and while i was impressed at the time.. i soon grew to have a few problems with the application process.. a personal thing. Since then i have floated between OPI and my initial training products.

As i said earlier.. Without having a conversion cert i can buy Creative.. Not only on Ebay and the like either.. Because i have tried in the past.. My impulse to try Creative led me to decide to buy a starter kit, but i could have got whatever i wanted.. :irked:.. I decided before i spent a bucket load of money on it i may aswell try it.. so i had a set done and got a number then a starter kit sent to me as part of the corse.:lol:
I choose to spend two days away from my kids, in town on my own, to learn how to use it because I have spent far too much time, money and energy trying to bring my service up above average that i wouldn't settle for anything else.. In my own mind im sure if i put my head to it i could use any system.. but use it well?? prolly not!

Its important for me to be taken seriously.. because i take my work seriously.. sorry to hi-jack the thread.. but i would advise anyone to challenge themselves rather then give up..

I have made this decision regardless of the bad press concerning Creative.. I am excited again about nails.. excited about what i have seen and about what i am about to learn.. Maybe i will find the system that works for me?? Maybe ill just get 2 days well deserved time off from the chicklettes.. but ill definately learn something!

Hun, it's different in the UK. There you have to train with some companies (like CND) to use their products.

 

[aunaturale]

In the states, after we have had our nail training of somewhere around 500 hours of class (not exact because I took class in 1988 and this hr amount changes) and passing our test, we can buy any product line that we choose and it is up to us if we feel we need or want to take any extra courses. It is very hard here to take courses for ANYTHING other than the major brands(creative and opi) because there just isn't much training offered except in the larger cities.If we choose another brand we are pretty much out of luck on getting training for it hands on.We just get video's with the new products and that is the way we must learn if we want to use something other than creative or opi.So,technically,it is possible to learn a new product if you have very good basic knowledge from your previous work.I wish we had more training opportunities,but we don't! If you have those opportunities,I would say JUMP ON IT!!!! You can only benefit from some hands on training, if you can get it. Here, it's like "O.K,you have a license, now your on your own and oh, by the way ,dont forget to send us your $50 license renewal fee every 2 years".

 

[Lellipop]

Jenny you got a thumbs up from me
I use brisa and yes I am fully qualified but was also told I didnt need to do a conversion course as I was trained and capable of using the gel

 

[oey]

I am getting totally confused messages from this thread now.

I understand what you are saying Jenny but I thought that regardless of what qualifications you have you could only use and buy the creative L&P and gel products if you have trained in that product range.

Therefore my understanding is that you need to at least do the conversion course in Brisa to be able to use and purchase it.

Where do (did) you get the Brisa product from then if you have not done the conversion? This question is open to anybody that has been given this same information as Jenny.

 

[Mrs.Clooney]

I am getting totally confused messages from this thread now.

I understand what you are saying Jenny but I thought that regardless of what qualifications you have you could only use and buy the creative L&P and gel products if you have trained in that product range.

Therefore my understanding is that you need to at least do the conversion course in Brisa to be able to use and purchase it.

Where do (did) you get the Brisa product from then if you have not done the conversion? This question is open to anybody that has been given this same information as Jenny.

I'm also very confuse oey . I've lost the plot now about whether or not one can purchase the products if one has not done a Creative Foundation training or conversion.

However, personally, if I was going to try a new product brand, I would want to at least do a sucsessful conversion. JMO though, but, yes, I am now confused.

 

[jenny2]

lol :lol: mrs clooney, i am goob at confusing people. Ok if you have done a vcts qualification or similar you can more or less use any system on the market with out taking a conversion course. But if you have not done a level 3 in nail extension application and have chosen to train just with one particular system ie creative then you can only buy there products and your insurance will only cover you for that particular system, does that make sence, yep i think i have confusd myself now

 

[blossom]

Please don't do yourself down Jenny2. Your posts are easy to understand and not at all confusing :hug:

 

[*Garfield*]

I have done a creative L&P convaersion, and have trained with both IBD and Ezflow gel, but have never done the Brisa conversion, I have always been able to buy my Brisa gels from Hyperion, they know I have not done their conversion in gel, but are happy to supply me still, I was told that if I had any probs with the application to book a 1-1:hug:

 

[Classy Claws]

I understand what you are saying Jenny but I thought that regardless of what qualifications you have you could only use and buy the creative L&P and gel products if you have trained in that product range.

ANYONE can buy creative.. this is what shes saying... i can give a list of about 15 websites that will sell you creative ANYTHING - but i wont & u can find them your self with a little leg work - this is the main point of the confusion I think.. yes its true you cannot buy from CREATIVE unless you are educated or converted by them.. but there are alot of places selling creative products where its no questions asked. (this is to clear up the confusion not informing u all to run off and buy it else where)

 

[littlegrohl]

ANYONE can buy creative.. this is what shes saying... i can give a list of about 15 websites that will sell you creative ANYTHING - but i wont & u can find them your self with a little leg work - this is the main point of the confusion I think.. yes its true you cannot buy from CREATIVE unless you are educated or converted by them.. but there are alot of places selling creative products where its no questions asked. (this is to clear up the confusion not informing u all to run off and buy it else where)

This is what i was saying.. while i cant speak for all states in AUS, i do know that to buy Creative where i am you have to go through them or their distributor.. wholesalers dont stock it.. (besides solar oil and the like) BUT that doesnt mean you cant get it without doing a conversion...
the point of my post was to say rather the give up try and challange yourself.. as a former floater between systems it can get very frustrating, and since i did my first 1 2 1 i have become aware of things i would never have known had i not taken the effort to learn.. which i hope will be the case with my conversion.

 

[Kim Lawless]

I was at my local OSNS last year and a member of staff there read out a letter from head office to me stating that as long as a tech had trained/qualified in ANY brand/application (think there was one that didn't apply), then they could buy Creative L&P etc.

 

[jax]

Morning Jenny2, I bet you had a surprise to see all the replies, well done for staying calm in the face of the onslaught . . .

I have given your thread a thumbs up 1)to redress the balance cos I thought it was a poor show and 2) cos it certainly got everyone thinking and made for a lot more interesting reading than a lot of threads . . . and 3) cos you have as much right as anyone else to ask anything, and how any of us uses the advice we are given is up to us. We are not duty bound to do what we are advised by geeks on here, the advice is always appreciated though because it helps us make decisions . . .

Totally agree with this post. Not all geeks on this site will berate you for having an opinion and voicing it - and you are most definitely not duty bound to take ANY advice given on this forum so please dont feel you are. I hope some of the replies on here havent tainted your opinion of this site, I know that you are relatively new here - :hug: There are alot of v sensitive feeling geeks on here at the moment!!

 

[ValencianNails]

Totally agree with this post. Not all geeks on this site will berate you for having an opinion and voicing it - and you are most definitely not duty bound to take ANY advice given on this forum so please dont feel you are. I hope some of the replies on here havent tainted your opinion of this site, I know that you are relatively new here - :hug: There are alot of v sensitive feeling geeks on here at the moment!!

I disagree and don't think anyone has been berated for voicing their opinion.
Advice was asked for and fab advice was given (as is usual on Salon Geek), I don't see how that can taint somebody's opinion of the site.

The thing is... when someone asks for advice they should be prepared to listen and take the said advice of experienced technicians, that's what the site is here for and that's why it's such a popular site, so much so that it's the world's largest online community for salon professionals!

 

[aunaturale]

I feel the same way. This is a wonderful site and the majority of the geeks on here are some very helpful people. There will always be a few "snippy" folks that get upset because you dont favor their beloved product or opinion (An opinion is just that! an opinion.) When you have this many people,using so many different products you will have clash of the ego's or what have you.So if possible just try to take the good advice and let the snippy remarks roll off your back.You can learn a great deal from this site!
I will say that NO ONE person on here started out as a EXPERT and we all have to start out learning somewhere, and you will always be learning as long as you are in this business. You can take the biggest self proclaimed expert and IMO even they should and will still be learning...maybe they should think back to when they started out and how they felt.For all you happy,friendly,helpful, smart, great geeks out there thank you so much for all that you do,you are a gift to the world!:hug:

 

[nailzoo]

What are pue nails??

are they related to "Poo nails" ? I think Poo nails is the system Vicky Pollard uses.

BTW Brisa is different to any other gel product .... it is unique and should be treated with a little more respect than any old Tacky gum coming out of a Gel tub (by all means take the easy path).

You should also NEVER complain about a products performance if you have not taken the time to learn how it works. If you think it's the same, then that just show how uneducated you actually are.
If you complained about my product without any product knowledge, if I had the power, I'd take the product off you. I wouldn't need an uneducated mouth badmouthing a tried and tested product.

I wish people would just own up ...................... it's them .... not the product.

Have you never heard of the saying "Only a bad tradesman blames their tools"?

While I'm at it, or on it .... bad spelling and dyslexia are 2 different things.

Dyslexic secretaries of the word "untie" go figure !!!! Don't fret it's only my op-onion.