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Well that was what my questions were all about with TT applications-

I did finally get a response back- I stated that I had been taught that repeated contact with the skin risks overexposure, and I asked her why it was ok to touch the surrounding skin with the liquid. I also told her that I had been taught also to never use less than a 240 grit on the natural nail to keep from damaging it, why was this 100 grit file ok?

She replied back to me that her liquid was safe, and was different. No specs, just the statement. SHe also said that if you didnt use the 100 grit file, you would have lifting and thinning of the natural nail, and also bacteria psuedonyms causing further damage.

She also said on her site that athletes foot can be caused by wearing shoes all the time, and that nails should be removed by soaking in acetone every 3-6 months.

I was understandably confused, as this contradicts everything I have been taught, so I asked DOUG SCHOON what his thoughts were on the information that was presented to me. I am waiting to hear back.

Just an FYI to those that havent had the same CND training I have-

I have been taught to NEVER touch the skin with uncured product- that goes for liquid, wet powder, etc.

I have been taught to never use anything rougher than a 240 grit file on the natural nail, and to use single strokes in one direction to remove the shine. Thats it. No back and forth movements. I have never had to use less than a 180 on an enhancement, and that was only in certain instances. In general, my application is smooth enough to use the same 240 grit to refine sidewalls and freeedge, and buff with a girlfriend or smoothie.

I have never had a problem with lifting, have NEVER had a client contract a "greenie," and have never, since training with CND, touched skin with uncured product. I have not had to replace sets, as its been unneccesary-they always look brand new, no fill lines, no free edge seperation.

I was taught that the main ingredient on our monomer is EMA, and that its in ALL monomers, and that it is not to be touched by skin!

Athletes foot is a skin disease caused by a fungus, usually occuring between the toes. You usually get this from exposure of your bare feet by someone else in bare feet that has the affliction, IE: showers, pools, locker rooms.

The American Podiatric Medical Association says that the best prevention is by using good hygiene: daily washing your feet in soap and water, carefully drying between the toes; avoid walking barefoot; wear light and airy shoes; wear socks that keep your feet dry.

The information from the APMA can be found here:


I'll let you geeks know what Doug says when I hear back- Any TT users have any comments to help us out here?
 
I think it's very foolhardy to say that any liquid is safe, and seeing the rising number of threads we have about techs getting over exposure problems I also think it is rather irresponsible. Your skin can become sensitised to any product, no matter how good you think it is ... one day you can be fine and the next - poof - you have full blown contact dermatitis. Not a risk I'd want to take on me or my clients
 
I guess it's gotten to the point in this thread that we might just have to agree to disagree. I have read some of the stuff Doug Schoon has said that I might not completely agree with but that's ok. I'm a newer tech and will take whatever I can get. No one person is ever going to be completely right. Of course Doug is going to disagree with what Tammy has said. They are from opposing companies. It's their right to have different opinions, just as it is our right to have differing opinions.

Yes, the application of TT products is different than with other products. You don't pat out the pink, it is brushed out.

Michele
 
Just because in a demo the nail is thick doesn't mean that when you use TT that the finished product has to be thick. I don't like my finished nails to be thick so I thin them down to what I like. I do know people that like their finished product to be thick. One was a bartender and in order for her to no break them in between fills she had to have them on the thicker side. Her tech used neither TT or CND. It was her PREFERENCE to have them that way.

I used her nailbiter guide to do my stepmom's nails. Now she is a serious biter. She had waited two weeks to start having me do her nails once I got set up in my salon. Why? Because she'd been on antibiotics for two infected fingers caused by biting and picking. It DID work on her. We kept them fairly short but not too short. We kept them on long enough to let them grow out and now we do weekly manicures instead of enhancements. She prefers it that way.

Michele
 
Michele I think you are so right here. What each and every one of us has to do is process information you are given and choose whether or not YOU feel it is right. I don't take everything I read on here, or anywhere, as gospel and like you make my own judgements, irrespective of brand or even who gives the info. Sometimes it just comes down to a good old common sense call of judgement.

I am just worried that ANYONE who thinks it is okay to keep getting product over a clients skin is leaving their customers open to all sorts of over exposure issues. The last thing you would want is your tech / clients to give up doing / having nails because then it's a lost customer at best, and a bad reputation and possible law suit at worst.

Like you say it's your choice what you do with information that is thrown at you. If you think, hmm maybe they have a point I'm going to investigate further, then surely that's a good thing? It's not a brand bashing exercise in any way, but passing on safe working techniques must be a good thing and that really IS the aim of this site. Whether any of you choose to use this shared info or not is a personal choice, it's just making you aware of the potential risks and giving you an INFORMED choice!
 
can someone tell me why the product tt uses is brushed rather than pressed what is so diffrent about it???
 
CND products are pressed into the nail because, simplisticly speaking, the technology hooks into the natural nail and you wouldn't get the hook in without pressing.

Systems which use primer to assist in creating the bond with the natural nail don't need to be pressed in to the nail as the product isn't looking for that hook if that makes sense.
 
I guess it's gotten to the point in this thread that we might just have to agree to disagree. I have read some of the stuff Doug Schoon has said that I might not completely agree with but that's ok. I'm a newer tech and will take whatever I can get. No one person is ever going to be completely right. Of course Doug is going to disagree with what Tammy has said. They are from opposing companies. It's their right to have different opinions, just as it is our right to have differing opinions.

Yes, the application of TT products is different than with other products. You don't pat out the pink, it is brushed out.

Michele

Michelle I PROMISE I am not trying to be argumentative here- ANd being that you yourself said that you are new to the industry, lemme fill you in a little bit- Doug Schoon is with Creative, that is true, but he is also HIGHLY respected in this industry as a WHOLE for his expertise on the structure of the nail, and product chemistry. He wrote a book about it, and its considered a "must have" for any Nail Tech, no matter WHAT company's products you use (Nail Structure and Product Chemistry). Look him up, you will see what I mean. He is a very commonly used expert on the BeautyTech website as well.

DOug is a SCIENTIST. He also is a NAIL TECH. He works in a lab in Vista California working with the products that eventually are sold by CND pending his approval. There is no hidden agenda with him- if CND didnt follow his guidelines, he wouldnt head up their Science and Technology Department, he'd head up someone elses. He has 30 years of experience as a research scientist. and heads up what is considered (not my opinion, this is a statement from MILADY's Book of Nail TEchnology.) the most extensive nail research and development lab in existence today. He is called in as an expert witness in legal cases involving cosmetic safety and health. Dermatologists frequently call upon him to help with their own book writing concerning fingernails. He is a strong advocate for salon safety, and actually REPRESENTS the ENTIRE NAIL INDUSTRY on scientific and technical issues in Europe, Canada, and the US!!

He founded CATS (Chemical Awareness Training Service- the first in the beauty industry focused on salon safety training programs) in 1986, and only joined up with CND 16 years ago, so he didnt START with CND, he is just ENDING there.

I dont want to offend. or put off, but this is really important information for ALL techs.

I would hate to see any tech shorten her career due to illness caused by mis-information, when simple steps could be followed for your own AND your clients safety.

I have not given one opinion here. I have given VERIFIABLE FACT. And its all backed up in countless nail magazines, school books, and industry trade papers.

I hope you will look this information up for yourself. Doug Schoon is not the giver of OPINIONS. He gives FACTS. That is why we all respect and try to follow guidelines he suggests. He contributed a LOT of the information you studied in Beauty School. I am not inclined to ignore him.

Thanks for reading, I hope you take this open-minded for what it really is.

That goes for anyone else reading too... XOHeather
 
Heather Davis
we know who Doug is & what he is all about. There are still some of us, who, do our own thinking about whats right for us as nail professionals. WE don't need you tell us over & over again the how's & what fors of our business. its great you are so passionate about CND, but, we are just as passionate about our Tammy Taylor. she fits the bill for us, & thats that! NO matter what you have to say against her, & her awesome nail products.

How about putting your opinions & your facts to rest!
you have turned this thread upside down. :mad:

Carolina 4TT,
Tammy Taylor Nail professional since 1989 AND PROUD OF IT!!!!! :hug:
 
Umm Carolina 4TT, no disrespect, but its comments like the one you justmade that turn threads curvy.

This is not about being an independent thinker, or doing what is best for you and your nails.
This is about being SAFE, and having an EDUCATED CHOICE. I dont care WHAT product you use, as long as you use it SAFELY. My love for CND has nothing to do with that. My PASSION is for the overall health and well being of ourselves and our clients, added to superior work.

I am really at a loss as to WHY you are so offended by my posts, when we are in a forum that is intended to EDUCATE and INFORM other techs.

I applaud your right to stand by your preferred company and products. I do not applaud blatantly supporting techniques that are DAMAGING. You may think this only has to do with YOU, and YOUR BUSINESS, but it affects the view of our ENTIRE INDUSTRY AS A WHOLE.

I dont wish to argue with you. Healthy debate is not a crime, or offensive.

I have only posted questions about things I honestly didn't understand, and wanted answers for!! I dont think this should be criticized! I would encourage YOU to do the SAME! If there was something you thought was questionable about one of MY techniques, I would encourage you to ask me about it! Because maybe I dont KNOW BETTER. Maybe I need more information from YOU to make an educated CHOICE.

Please, I am not finger pointing, I ask for the same respect. If you can give some verifiable information for this thread in a constructive manner, please do so. But don't call me out for HAVING some.

And for the record, as long as I am a professional in this industry and there are techs that need it, I will NEVER put my FACTS to rest. I do my homework, and can ALWAYS back it up.
 
DOug is a SCIENTIST. He also is a NAIL TECH. He works in a lab in Vista California working with the products that eventually are sold by CND pending his approval. There is no hidden agenda with him- if CND didnt follow his guidelines, he wouldnt head up their Science and Technology Department, he'd head up someone elses. He has 30 years of experience as a research scientist. and heads up what is considered (not my opinion, this is a statement from MILADY's Book of Nail TEchnology.) the most extensive nail research and development lab in existence today. He is called in as an expert witness in legal cases involving cosmetic safety and health. Dermatologists frequently call upon him to help with their own book writing concerning fingernails. He is a strong advocate for salon safety, and actually REPRESENTS the ENTIRE NAIL INDUSTRY on scientific and technical issues in Europe, Canada, and the US!!

He founded CATS (Chemical Awareness Training Service- the first in the beauty industry focused on salon safety training programs) in 1986, and only joined up with CND 16 years ago, so he didnt START with CND, he is just
ENDING there.

I have kept my mouth shut thus far, but I feel I need to publicly applaud Heather for this post. NOT because Doug is related to CND - no not that at all - but because she has given some brilliant and INFORMATIVE information here that is ALL true and correct.

The one thing I know about Doug (and have known him 20 years) is that he does not give opinions - he gives FACT and he can back up every damn thing you ask him with proven knowledge.

For those who think it is fine to use 100/180 grits on the natural nail (and you would only need to do that with a product that required major buffing to make it adhere - along with primer) - then fine... go ahead. But please don't try to tell the majority that it is OK when it is PROVEN that it is not.

No one is 'knocking' or 'bashing' any one persoanlly... no one is saying that TT is terrible because of the way product is applied, is different to OPI, CND, NSI etc... but this site is here for ALL OF US to learn from, and I think we have ALL learnt somthing by reading this particular thread.:idea:
 
Heather Davis
we know who Doug is & what he is all about. There are still some of us, who, do our own thinking about whats right for us as nail professionals. WE don't need you tell us over & over again the how's & what fors of our business. its great you are so passionate about CND, but, we are just as passionate about our Tammy Taylor. she fits the bill for us, & thats that! NO matter what you have to say against her, & her awesome nail products.

How about putting your opinions & your facts to rest!
you have turned this thread upside down. :mad:

Carolina 4TT,
Tammy Taylor Nail professional since 1989 AND PROUD OF IT!!!!! :hug:
Actually I dont know all about Doug and what he is all about.I have heard of him but dont know the ins and outs and am pleased with the informative words Heather has written.

Why should Heather have to put her opinions and facts to rest?She is entitiled to her say,just as anyone is on here.Oh and I dont think for one minute she has turned this thread upside down.

Quite frankly I would say your words are quite insulting and hurtful.

Heather....well done and keep your advice coming hun:hug:
 
I have found this thread tremendously interesting,sometimes uncomfortable to read.

It's great to learn about other systems and brands,even though i have no intention of changing.

I have to say though,from posts on both sides,if i were the original poster i would have felt my question answered.

:hug:
 
Hey Geeks,

I hope I am not making any enemies. I just wanted to know what product was preferred. I am in school and I have heard a lot of good things about both brands locally. However, I wanted to find out from you guys since you are more experienced and qualified than I am.

On the other hand, the thread has been very informative and I am glad that we can all be open minded.

Thanks
Nicky (Qutique)
 
Hey Geeks,I hope I am not making any enemies.

Ahhh Qutique - why would you think that? I think this has been a great and informative thread. We have asked questions, answered questions, learnt new things and learnt about other products in depth.

I am glad you asked and hope that you get to try both brands so that you can make your own informative choices. Best of Luck in School and your future nail career!

BTW - It sure does prove how passionate nail teks are doesn't it!!!;)
 
I think the trouble is when you are ask for a comparison between brands you will of course get those that use them say theirs is best ... no one wants to think that they are using a brand that is inferior to another! The only way you will know if a system works for you is by trying it for yourself :hug:
 
Thank you Miss Geek :)

Well I am using TT right now in school, so I have an idea on how to work with it.

I am really happy with my decision to join this site. I have learned alot especially from this thread.......

And I am impressing my school mates ;-)

They come to me for advise (once I can help them).

Thanks to Salongeek yeahhhhh!!!!!!
 
thanks for the backup geeks- Qutique, Im a little sorry we hijacked your thread so bad, but this kind of info helps find out WHY brands are preferred, so I think some of the debate-y info was necessary-

Good Luck with school!! Im so glad you found this site and utilize the information you recieve here. Its a great tool, isnt it?
 
Since this thread is well read and popular, I am posting the following information here. Thank you for bearing with me.
I was 350 miles from home yesterday in an 8 hour TT class along with 23 other techs when the educator received a phone call from someone in the Orlando office. This call was to let us know that Clarke Lange,of the Orlando office passed away in his sleep Saturday night. I have since been told this was from complications of an enlarged heart. Clarke's wife, Melodee Lange, is one of the top TT educators in the company and holds the instructor's training classes. Clarke also trained educators.
Clarke will be sadly missed by all the Tammy Taylor family- not only corporate, employees, but a host of TT useres all over the world.
Please have kind thoughts for the family during this tradgedy.
Thank You,
Mary Blaylock
Tammy Taylor Advanced Technician III
 
Oh Mary, thank you for sharing... Thoughts and prayers to his family....
 
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