Gel nails DID fall off!!

[VHunter]

The one thing I learned really quickly when doing gel nails is that you can't use a cuticle remover when applying them. No matter if you think you are removing it from their nails, that isn't the case. Not sure why other's didn't have the problem, but I know the one time I did that, the product didn't not stay on. Just do a dry push back and then if you want to do more removal use the cuticle remover after you have applied the product and it is cured.

I do not "think", I KNOW that I remove it from the nails. If you've only used cuticle remover once, you are hardly in a position to judge.

Well it is not untrue, because that is what they told me. Not going to argue the point anymore.

"They" being whom. And I thought you weren't arguing anymore?

Since there was no mention of particular gel being used only a blanket response can be made. And not all gel companies make a cuticle remover, so only using their's to remove the cuticle isn't always viable. But also making the blanket statement that you can use cuticle remover when applying gels is not true also.

My brand is mentioned in my signature (directly below my post) AND in my profile. It is not a blanket statement. While I haven't proved it myself, I will take a wild guess and bet that you can use it with any brand you choose and if done PROPERLY, won't suffer any lifting issues. Given the number of techs that use a remover, that don't suffer lifting issues.....

I was only trying to be helpful based on my experience in using gel. And one of the problems I had was in using a cuticle remover prior to application. Maybe the problem arised when I was told that the information I was giving was untrue, which it was not. It was based on my experience and what I was told by gel companies. I made no statements towards the original poster or questioned her abilities and if it was taken that way, I regret that it was taken that way.

Perhaps 'untrue' was a poor choice of words and you chose to take it personally when it wasn't intended that way. I was simply correcting your generalization. Yes, someone told you that remover caused lift. Perhaps I should have said "Your information is incorrect" but it all amounts to the same thing.
You can't generalize on this site when our job is to inform correctly so that others may learn. (I learned that early on in my membership on this forum and I was corrected by Geeg herself and I have since learned that unless I'm 100% certain of my information, it's best not to share it and risk misinforming someone else. There is enough bad info floating around).
That would be like me saying "EZ Flow Acrylic sucks" because I'm suffering growing pains in learning to apply the product. I'm not going to blame EZ Flow for my errors.
Given that your experience was based on one solitary incident, you can hardly be in a position to say that all gels will lift with cuticle remover. You don't even know if it wasn't you yourself, that caused them to lift by not removing it all when you were done.

If you use cuticle remover and dont remove it with water prior to the enhancements, they are likely to lift x
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I don't use water. I use nail plate cleanser/dehydrator which is alcohol & acetone based and removes all traces of product, oils etc from the nail plate.
But thanks anyway.
:hug:

 

[normacol]

sorry to stick my nose in but i hope this might help x

removing hair extensions always involves either acetone,or a lot of oil to dissolve the seal.

while im spray tanning i always have a lot of barrier cream on my hands(as i apply it to my clients hands) i then wear latex gloves,which i then suspect could result in lifting etc with all the body heat and sweaty hands in gloves hope you understand what i mean x

perhaps thease 2 factors together would result in really oily nail plates,it is just a thought but maybe something to consider x

 

[uniq12u]

Who is taking things personally now??? And even after I mentioned that I regretted it if you took something I said the wrong way, you decide to continue on. Again, I made no mention of your lack of knowledge or abilities, so your comments back makes no sense. I haven't only done gels once, so your comment in reference to that is ludricous. And yes, sometimes it only takes one time to learn, unless you are stubborn and don't learn from making mistakes and keep making them. Oh well, have a wonderful day anyway!

 

[VHunter]

You need to go back and read my post.
Then go back and read it a 3rd time.

My replies were in response to your own exact words. I didn't change anything or make assumptions.
You said you only used the cuticle remover once. THAT is where the lack of experience is, WITH THAT PRODUCT. I was VERY clear in my response, in that regard. You can't presume to make the blanket statement " The one thing I learned really quickly when doing gel nails is that you can't use a cuticle remover when applying them. Not sure why other's didn't have the problem, but I know the one time I did that, the product didn't not stay on. "
after having failed one solitary time with the product. Any number of things could have gone wrong. I did not infer that you had only done gels once. I referred to your solitary experience with cuticle remover. As per your own words.

You did, in fact, question my skill when you said " No matter if you think you are removing it from their nails, that isn't the case ".
BUT I didn't get up in arms about it, I simply corrected your incorrect assumption. I corrected you by letting you know that I don't think I removed it all, I KNOW that I did and I KNOW that I do on a daily basis. The proof is in the pudding. I did not suggest that you questioned my knowledge nor abilities. I simply told you that I KNOW I removed it all.
But FYI: I have taken constructive criticism MANY times.. and WELCOME it. I don't get into a tizzy about it.


"And yes, sometimes it only takes one time to learn, unless you are stubborn and don't learn from making mistakes and keep making them."
But you didn't learn from it. If you had tried repeatedly, you very likely would have learned that you CAN use cuticle remover. And I think you'd be VERY happy with the results. Ecstatic, even.
Just because something doesn't work the first time, doesn't mean that it won't the next time.
I enjoy being stubborn. It's gotten me this far.

If anyone is taking things personally, it is yourself because you're the only one getting all hot headed about things and having a rant. That is what is ludicrous.
My advice; read what is written instead of "reading into it" .
Nobody was attacking, simply disagreeing with you and correcting your of your own assumptions.

 

[geeg]

sorry to stick my nose in but i hope this might help x

removing hair extensions always involves either acetone,or a lot of oil to dissolve the seal.

while im spray tanning i always have a lot of barrier cream on my hands(as i apply it to my clients hands) i then wear latex gloves,which i then suspect could result in lifting etc with all the body heat and sweaty hands in gloves hope you understand what i mean x

perhaps thease 2 factors together would result in really oily nail plates,it is just a thought but maybe something to consider x

This I find VERY useful information thank you .. it is very possible that if that which you describe, is a normal routine that the clients nails could be fairly well saturated with products and it could very well (in fact most likely has) affect the nail plate and therefore the adhesion of the product.

The fact that Victoria has etched the plate a bit more the 2nd time may take care of this. Thankyou for your pragmatic and very sensible approach. Good thinking, this makes perfect sense.

And finally for my last comment on the subject of :lol: (really) the cuticle remover 'debate' ... although I was trying before in my post not to inflame the situation, I will say this ........... blanket statement ..............

Cuticle remover (used and removed correctly) can be used with any gel system at all as its function is to clean the nail plate of any barrier to adhesion. IF the nails are not perfectly rinsed and DRY after using it, then nails (any type) can lift. If the surface is perfectly clean and dry they will not.

There you have it .... no matter what 'they' said. 'They' are responsible for
an awful lot of misinformation and most of 'them' don't even know the real facts ... I mean anyone who has indicated to you that you could use cuticle remover after the nails have been applied (as uniq12u said in one of the earlier pots) has obviously got no idea at all have they, as cuticle is only found on the surface of nail plate itself which would be completely covered by the enhancement ... maybe the poster thinks the eponychium is the cuticle (PLEASE not that old chestnut again!!).

 

[uniq12u]

So done with this topic because now it's gotten to the point that things are so totally taken out of context. Again, have a wonderful day!

 

[geeg]

So done with this topic because now it's gotten to the point that things are so totally taken out of context. Again, have a wonderful day!

I wish you a good day also but before you go perhaps you would be so kind as to point out to me where I said anything out of context or that was something not said in a former post?

 

[marion]

geeg and Victoria.... you have incredible patience.. well done

 

[Lellipop]

I had one client who had her nails done with gel and they seem to just slide off, I couldn't understand it at the time and tried etching the nail plate a little more and reapplying them only for the same thing to happen.
A month down the line my client informed me that she had just found out she was pregnant and this seemed to be what was causing the problem for some reason must have been hormonal but her nail plates were just so oily.

 

[*sarah*]

Hi Val,

Not been doing gels fr long but I personall had most of my nails lift up nearly all the way to cuticle within hours due to using surgical spirits at college doing waxing course, tutor had told us to take gloves off to clean equipment, had no idea it would lift my nails doh! lol (had just done them that day was not happy lol)
So thinking could be something she is using that contains alcohol or acetone too hth xx

 

[mzaleaah]

does your client do bikrom yogo. not sure how it is spelled ...just know that we have a stylist in our salon who does it and it causes all of her gels to fall off...in this yoga the temp of the room is over 100 degrees.

 

[VHunter]

sorry to stick my nose in but i hope this might help x
removing hair extensions always involves either acetone,or a lot of oil to dissolve the seal.
while im spray tanning i always have a lot of barrier cream on my hands(as i apply it to my clients hands) i then wear latex gloves,which i then suspect could result in lifting etc with all the body heat and sweaty hands in gloves hope you understand what i mean x
perhaps thease 2 factors together would result in really oily nail plates,it is just a thought but maybe something to consider x

I'll definately ask about this. THANKS!!

I had one client who had her nails done with gel and they seem to just slide off, I couldn't understand it at the time and tried etching the nail plate a little more and reapplying them only for the same thing to happen.
A month down the line my client informed me that she had just found out she was pregnant and this seemed to be what was causing the problem for some reason must have been hormonal but her nail plates were just so oily.

I've heard the "oily nail plates" before... But if nail plates and nails beds both don't have sebaceous glands, then there shouldn't be any oil. I'm more inclined to thinking that it's either A) pregnancy hormones are changing the nail plate surface (but not with regards to oil) in much the same way as hormone pills would do for those with menopause? Not sure what's going on there...
B) they're using TONNES of cream/lotion to alleviate the itching of their stretching skin OR to try to prevent stretchmarks and perhaps the abundancy of the mineral oil/petrolatum/petroleum/vaseline that's IN the cream/lotion is causing lift?

Hi Val,
Not been doing gels fr long but I personall had most of my nails lift up nearly all the way to cuticle within hours due to using surgical spirits at college doing waxing course, tutor had told us to take gloves off to clean equipment, had no idea it would lift my nails doh! lol (had just done them that day was not happy lol)
So thinking could be something she is using that contains alcohol or acetone too hth xx

It's "Victoria" (LOL no idea why, but I often get called Val or Virginia or Veronica hahaha:lol
Acetone has never hurt them before, but maybe ridiculously high quantities of it could? Keeping in mind, I have L&P on my nails with a uv sealant, and use acetone daily and never suffer problems?
Thanks!

does your client do bikrom yogo. not sure how it is spelled ...just know that we have a stylist in our salon who does it and it causes all of her gels to fall off...in this yoga the temp of the room is over 100 degrees.

Exercise causes nails to fall off? Not sure I'm understanding.

THANKS everyone!

 

[*sarah*]

Oops! sorry victoria! :hug: I used to have a team leader called val hunter lovely so she was names obviously stuck in my head lol
Just re-read thread too think I was on planet gaga lol I use calgel so suppose that was my problem dunno much about buff off gels sorry should have just kept ma big mooth shut lol xx

 

[VHunter]

Oops! sorry victoria! :hug: I used to have a team leader called val hunter lovely so she was names obviously stuck in my head lol
Just re-read thread too think I was on planet gaga lol I use calgel so suppose that was my problem dunno much about buff off gels sorry should have just kept ma big mooth shut lol xx

No problemo, sweetie.:hug:
We all have days like that.
In any case, it's distinctly possible that a long exposure to a large amount (such as in removing extensions) could have been the problem?

Haven't heard from her yet. May call her tomorrow to learn status.
CROSS YOUR FINGERS
:green:

 

[VHunter]

UPDATE:

The L&P stayed 'stuck' and she LOVES it!!
A 'smidgeon' of lifting on 2 fingers (could be my fault due to growing pains with ratio, or hers.. who knows at this point as she's a new client..)

But thankfully.. the nails stayed on.

We did talk about her removing hair extensions, and she can't remember exactly, but she 'thinks' she might have. She'll take care this time and wear gloves.

THANKS EVERYONE!!

 

[NoLimitNails]

Thats great news! so glad you sorted this out hun:hug::hug:

 

[VHunter]

THANKS

Kinda sorted out.. the gel fell off and we still don't know 'exactly' why LOL:lol:

BUT L&P is nicely stuck and she's a happy camper... all's well that ends well. :green:

 

[VHunter]

UPDATE:

The nails "fell off" again.:cry:

BUT we have an answer.. The L&P did stay stuck and beautifully.
BUT as soon as she had a client with extensions to remove, and it took her 2hours to do it, using an "oil" as she calls it........ lift appeared and they all fell off again.

Regrettably she says she can't wear gloves for this process. But will definately come see me for any occasions she has. Her daughter is remaining a client and her mother is coming to see me soon.

What a shame. I really liked her.

BUT at least we have an answer to the mystery :green:

 

[oey]

Was the "oil" as she called it acetone then?

At least you now know its nothing you did.

 

[VHunter]

Was the "oil" as she called it acetone then?

At least you now know its nothing you did.

I did ask and she "um hummm'd"... but she didn't clarify. But it's a product most definately used to break the 'glue/adhesive' of the bonds of the extensions.

BUT yes!! at least I know it wasn't me. I doubted that it was me, but there's always that subconcious guy in the back of your brain, poking at you and creating doubt LOL

THANKS!