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I'm not getting involved in all the other stuff but could you not work for a few years with your level two quals and save for your level three?


Its impossible to work at the minute with caring for my mother in law.
My plan was to do my Level 3 on a Saturday which is the only day when other family members are available to care for my mother in law.
I dont know about other areas but its nigh on impossible around here to get into a salon with just a Level 2 qualification.
Thanks Kimi for your ideas (and not getting involved in the other stuff, really opened a can of worms, should've kept my mouth shut, lol).
 
Could you not even get an unpaid work experience on a Saturday then, to get experience, into a salon environment?
 
please dont think i am having a go because i am most definatly not , i was a carer for my mum while i was at college doing hairdressing ,
but if you are caring full time .. how are you going to fit in an nvq 4 ? coz its hard going from what i have heard.. also are you actually doing any hairdressing as i know for level 3 you have to be doing a fair bit of hair all the time to keep up with the stuff they teach ...
i know the funding isnt there which is bad for you but my honest opinion is you should save up and pay yourself , you have had some good courses for free and i would be delighted if i ever got anything for free ..
my course was free but i was 16 since hitting 18 /19 i have paid for everything myself, i get money for birthdays and xmas and put it together to pay for stuff , why not try do a few clients a week on a night time when your hubby can look after his parents ? you can soon earn a little bit each week to save up
if you want it bad enought then i think you can do it x
 
I didnt mean to sound horrible, i just always try to look at the good aspects of things so i think well i dont get my level 3 for free but i got my level 2 for free. Nothings free in life so when something is, its a bonus.
I am also 29 and to try to get an apprenticeship or a junior position or get a salon even intersted in taking on someone at my age is practically impossible, its sad but it just seems to be how things are. I have really wanted to do my level 2 and then do level 3 and then do teaching eventually but you just seem to be hitting your head against a brick wall. And i have come to realise that its just not going to happen for me, luckily i am also just as interested in the Beauty Industry so i have changed my course to Beauty therapy because i feel that i have more chance of getting somewhere with this career than with hairdressing.
Another thought is maybe trying different colleges, the college 5 minutes from me charges £1400 for just fees and another charges £1500 and another £1350 but if i travel 20 minutes away another college charges £395 and i can pay in 4 installments. And this college is brilliant and even taught someone that went onto be Hairdresser of the year. So it may be worth trying other colleges to see if there fees are any cheaper.
You cannot change the governments ideas on whats fair and what isnt so just think well if your not going to help me then i will find a way to help myself. I hope you find a solution.
 
This post makes it sound like anyone under 25 gets funding abd thats not the case. Im 19 now but at 17 whilest in the middle of my hairdressing apprenticeship fell pregnant(due to been told i would never be able to have children) and got sacked basically so i applied for collage but was told as my boyfriend lived with me n earned 120 pounds a week i would have to pay for my course as i would be 18 when the course started! It annoys me that people sit on their bums n pop babys out n get paid for it but i couldnt get funded to start a career but thats life i now have a home salon doing nail and beauty treatments so i beleive everything happens for a reason!x

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i don't think 'Eskimotech' should of removed her post, i thought she had some pretty valid points. at the end of the day if you want stuff sugar coated then don't post or read a public forum. it really is that simple.

you were going to take time away from your mother in law to train at level3 so if it is just the one day a week you have free then why not work that one day? it's still money at the end of the day to go towards your level 3. could you not work evenings? could your husband not take over the care especially during the months you said his work is quiet so you could earn more to put towards your level3? could you pay for the course in installments? can you not get a part time job to fit around your husbands work hours? is there any other colleges in your area? if so, do they have different guidelines? different fees? different payment options? have you posted on this forum to see if anybody is on here from your area and is wanting a free level 2 or even asked if you could just shadow a hairdresser on here in your area? x
 
Are colleges open on a Saturday? Mine wasn't? Also I started college as soon as I left school so I was 16 and me and none of my class dropped out we was all dedicated to the course. It doesn't matter what age u are just because I was 16 didn't mean I was less dedicated than a 30 year old. I was also working at a salon the hours I wasn't at college
 
I don't think 16 year olds or 19 year olds are any less deserving. All of us were teenagers once, so all of us had the chance to go to college free of charge.

The other point raised was that if you cannot manageto work more than one day a week, how are you going to use these hard won hairdressing skills? Hairdressers work long hours....
 
Please don't think I am being mean or horrid. I mean this in a, look after yourself kind of way. Caring is hard work and it is unfair that you are having to put your life and career on hold to look after your mother in law. Would your father-in-law not consider moving into a retirement village with her so that they're still together but she gets the proper attention and care she needs?

Hope it all works out for you.
 
Hey MobileKat,

Just thought i'd share my thoughts with you, as I've been in a similar situation previously.

As a previous healthcare manager, and now a hairdressing student, I can tell you that there is a lot of help available for home care/assisted home living available for people (which is usually free, following the assessment of a health visitor/District nurse) You should contact your local social services and ask them to put you through to the department for vulnerable adults and assisted independent home care. Someone might be able to help. Even if this is a few hours a week, it takes the extra stress off of you.

Now, to the funding/NVQ level 3 problem. You won't get funding, due to your age and student loans are only available for those doing higher education courses i.e. level 4 - 7 (university level). Right, so now we've established you won't get funding, get over it!........are you over it?........ok, good! Now we can look at ways to earn extra money for your course.

If you are looking for September start, this may prove difficult, however, not impossible. You say you find it difficult to work because of your mother in law? Is there nobody in your family (or your husband's) that can take care of her for a day while your at college/working? I think you might be quite surprised at how much you can do in the time off between 1 day family member caring for your mother in law and combined with home visits from carers from social services. Another thing to mention also is that colleges don't ask you to pay the whole thing up front and as colleges generally take at least a year to complete an NVQ, you could pay this over the space of a year with a small deposit. ALSO! don't forget you've got your level 2 and could do friends and family's hair for extra cash from time to time. I'm sure if you sat down with your partner and worked out the cost of those few extra chineses/Indians/Chip shop meals you have per month and saved the money, budget your food/entertainment bill over a month or two, you'd be surprised at how much you can save.

However you do it, you'll need to earn some money, even if it's just a small amount, i.e. one day a week and a few cuts/styles for friends and family. This, plus budgeting from your monthly food/entertainment/outings should just about cover your fees over a year period.

I was in a similar situation not so long ago. Couldn't afford college as only my partner worked and i found it impossible to get a job due to the location we live in. I was DESPERATE to go do my level 2 (yep, i had to pay full fees without even the government subsidised bit that normal fee payers get) so my level 2 cost me just short of 4 grand and i will have to do the same again for level 3) but i sold all the crap in my house i could do without and paid my college fees. Now i'm loving it, managed to get myself a little part time job along side it and have big plans for when i've finished.

The moral to this story is.....when you want something desperately enough, there's always a way if you WORK HARD for it! Sat on your arse moaning will get you nothing. If you put your mind to it, you can do this on your own without feeling hopeless and depressed.

Think about some of the points i've mentioned and really give some thought to assisted home living. Perhaps chat to your partner about it? Either way, you need to consider yourself in this, not just your partner's mother. As harsh as that may sound, it's the truth m'deary.

Best of luck to you love, let us know how you get on :)
 
Hey MobileKat,

Just thought i'd share my thoughts with you, as I've been in a similar situation previously.

As a previous healthcare manager, and now a hairdressing student, I can tell you that there is a lot of help available for home care/assisted home living available for people (which is usually free, following the assessment of a health visitor/District nurse) You should contact your local social services and ask them to put you through to the department for vulnerable adults and assisted independent home care. Someone might be able to help. Even if this is a few hours a week, it takes the extra stress off of you.

Now, to the funding/NVQ level 3 problem. You won't get funding, due to your age and student loans are only available for those doing higher education courses i.e. level 4 - 7 (university level). Right, so now we've established you won't get funding, get over it!........are you over it?........ok, good! Now we can look at ways to earn extra money for your course.

If you are looking for September start, this may prove difficult, however, not impossible. You say you find it difficult to work because of your mother in law? Is there nobody in your family (or your husband's) that can take care of her for a day while your at college/working? I think you might be quite surprised at how much you can do in the time off between 1 day family member caring for your mother in law and combined with home visits from carers from social services. Another thing to mention also is that colleges don't ask you to pay the whole thing up front and as colleges generally take at least a year to complete an NVQ, you could pay this over the space of a year with a small deposit. ALSO! don't forget you've got your level 2 and could do friends and family's hair for extra cash from time to time. I'm sure if you sat down with your partner and worked out the cost of those few extra chineses/Indians/Chip shop meals you have per month and saved the money, budget your food/entertainment bill over a month or two, you'd be surprised at how much you can save.

However you do it, you'll need to earn some money, even if it's just a small amount, i.e. one day a week and a few cuts/styles for friends and family. This, plus budgeting from your monthly food/entertainment/outings should just about cover your fees over a year period.

I was in a similar situation not so long ago. Couldn't afford college as only my partner worked and i found it impossible to get a job due to the location we live in. I was DESPERATE to go do my level 2 (yep, i had to pay full fees without even the government subsidised bit that normal fee payers get) so my level 2 cost me just short of 4 grand and i will have to do the same again for level 3) but i sold all the crap in my house i could do without and paid my college fees. Now i'm loving it, managed to get myself a little part time job along side it and have big plans for when i've finished.

The moral to this story is.....when you want something desperately enough, there's always a way if you WORK HARD for it! Sat on your arse moaning will get you nothing. If you put your mind to it, you can do this on your own without feeling hopeless and depressed.

Think about some of the points i've mentioned and really give some thought to assisted home living. Perhaps chat to your partner about it? Either way, you need to consider yourself in this, not just your partner's mother. As harsh as that may sound, it's the truth m'deary.

Best of luck to you love, let us know how you get on :)

Best advice given on the whole thread! Seriously, it's a harsh situation you are in but if you want something enough you'll do it. I wanted more than anything to career change to Beauty Therapist/Nail Tech but I have a baby and have no family near by and my husband works away. So I couldn't go to a public college and have instead trained privately and am currently studying for my NVQ2 Beauty Therapy. I've paid for everything myself at a cost of thousands! It's do-able. If it's your passion then you'll do it, anyway it takes. Just think you'll make the money back.
Good luck! :)
 
I'm just going to state a fact now I'm the only one out of what started as a group of approx 40-45 pupils at the start of my NVQ level 2 course who is still hairdressing to this day (I qualified in 2007). I understand mobilekat point as the government is willing to fund these places for under 19's, I feel there needs to be a more personal selection process and there should be funding available if you can show your passion.
 
There's a lot of passionate people but not a lot of money in the government pot.

Jacqui xx
 
I have just achieved my NVQ Level 2 in Gents Barbering and I will be finishing my NVQ Level 2 in Ladies Hairdressing on 9th July 2011.

I am a good student, I have been given the Student of the year award for 2 years running.

For both Level 2 qualifications I didnt have to pay due to being on a low income. My circumstances have not changed. (I cannot work as I am a carer for my mother in law who is in the late stages of alzheimers). My husband does work.

I have applied for Level 3 in both Gents and Ladies, however I have been informed that because I am over the age of 25 (I am 29) I will not be funded for these courses. The Low Income is irrelevent.
I feel as though I am being discriminated against due to my age.

I am desperate to do these qualifications as they are essential in order for me to achieve my long term goals. After completing my Level 3 qualifications I will then be doing a teaching qualification.
This is my future goal, I want to pass my enthusiasm for hairdressing onto future generations.

I feel as though I am being discriminated against due to my age and status.
If I was receiving Income support, I would receive the courses free.

The majority of the applicants are under the age 25. This age group will get the courses free but after speaking to tutors at college it has come to my attention that this age group are more likely to drop out of or fail the course, this means that the government are funding applicants that are likely to fail therfore wasting essential government funding that could be better used by a person like myself.

I am not the only person in this situation.

I have looked at the government website regarding student loans but the courses that I want to do not qualify for student loans.

I have wrote to our Local MP and the Governors of the college to see if they can offer any help.

Any ideas as to what else I can do? or where I can get any more help?

Thanks

Katrina xxxx

I am 22 and have just enrolled on my level 3 hairdressing, I have to pay the full wack and its just under £1000, no one gets it for free nor funding, and I am a single working mum.

The way I see it if I want to get somewhere with my career then ive gotta put up with it, You have to spend money to make money.
My aim is to eventually teach and level 3 is a must.

Surely there is an option to pay in installments?

I hear exactly what your saying though, but its just one of them things.


xxx
 
I am 22 and have just enrolled on my level 3 hairdressing, I have to pay the full wack and its just under £1000, no one gets it for free nor funding, and I am a single working mum.

The way I see it if I want to get somewhere with my career then ive gotta put up with it, You have to spend money to make money.
My aim is to eventually teach and level 3 is a must.

Surely there is an option to pay in installments?

I hear exactly what your saying though, but its just one of them things.


xxx

The Junior at work finished her last 2 assessments on Friday. She will be 19 in December. She has just been told she can do her level 3 for free if she goes straight into it. I'm very pleased for her but I'm bitter and distraught to say the least lol because that was never offered to me when I got there and I went to the same college.
I'm genuinely upset about this. I don't think I'm lacking in the skills of a level 3 stylist at all but I would love to have done/do my NVQ level 3. Is this a new thing? Or did I just get really unlucky?
 
Sorry I've totally hijacked this thread! But after my last post and reading everything again it keeps cropping up about funding for 'under 25s'... Is this just up to NVQ2?
Sorry about the butting in but whilst you're on the subject thought I'd pick some brains...
 
Sorry I've totally hijacked this thread! But after my last post and reading everything again it keeps cropping up about funding for 'under 25s'... Is this just up to NVQ2?
Sorry about the butting in but whilst you're on the subject thought I'd pick some brains... Today 10:52 PM


I returned to college last year to do my NVQ Level 3 ( i qualified to nvq l2 in 2008), and as I was under 25 and didn't hold an NVQ 3 in any subject I got government funding, I recieved my course free, my kit free and I could claim childcare aswel.

I don't know if they've stopped all that now due to government cuts. x
 
That is exactly what has happened, government have made major cuts.

If I'd have done my level 3 last year I would have received it free.

A lot of geeks on here are saying that its not like that at all but obviously I can only speak of my experience and my college.

At my college, you can get your 1st Level 3 free if you are under 25. Last year, age was irrelevant.

And that was my whole point in the begining, very frustrating.

Anyways, I have a meeting this Friday with the Head of Hair & Beauty Dept and the deputy head principle to see what can be done about the situation.

Age discrimination methinks.
 
I'm just going to state a fact now I'm the only one out of what started as a group of approx 40-45 pupils at the start of my NVQ level 2 course who is still hairdressing to this day (I qualified in 2007). I understand mobilekat point as the government is willing to fund these places for under 19's, I feel there needs to be a more personal selection process and there should be funding available if you can show your passion.


Thanks Kirstie, xxx

That is my opinion exactly.

A personal selection process should be used and funding given to those who:

1) who have a real passion for the industry and have a proven track record (like myself who has 100% attendance for 2 years and has won student of the year consecutively for those 2 years).

2) who are in financial difficulty (I so wish I was in a situation where I could afford to pay for the courses as I would be more than happy to pay for it, it is an investment in my future after all).

These things are sent to try you, eh?
 
I am 22 and have just enrolled on my level 3 hairdressing, I have to pay the full wack and its just under £1000, no one gets it for free nor funding, and I am a single working mum.

The way I see it if I want to get somewhere with my career then ive gotta put up with it, You have to spend money to make money.
My aim is to eventually teach and level 3 is a must.

Surely there is an option to pay in installments?

I hear exactly what your saying though, but its just one of them things.


xxx


Hi sarah,

Yes, we can pay by installments, over 9 months.

It works out at £227 per month, and I just cannot afford that, I am supported by my husband who's business is very quiet from November-February. College wants payments to start in September through to May. Tbh its just not financially viable.
 

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